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Anwar's death

How do we know Anwar Sheikh died? --Matt57 01:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a reference which claims that he died on 25 November 2006 in Wales, GB:

http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=2426&SKIN=W

Though it is a Hindu website it is unlikely that such a trivial thing will actually be a propaganda, as they only claim his death not murder by Islamofascists or any such thing.

Since the person in question is socially of a low profile, it is unlikely that secular reports of his death will be available in just two days.

Thanks, I've put in the link on his death now: Anwar Shaikh. --Matt57 17:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regions of India

Well, if your ideas are wholly your own creation, you don't want to publish them here – that would be original research. But if, as is more likely, you are schematizing more widespread conceptions (and better yet, if you can cite precedents for your schema), then I can help you work your ideas into a framework suitable for Wikipedia. What's your suggestion? Q·L·1968 ☿ 18:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

India Demographics

Because of India's rich diversity, no one image can represent all of India's one billion people. That is why I propose selecting a new demographics image every three months. This would allow for a regional balance and would show India as a whole. Many people have agreed that this is the only way to represent India's rich and varied diversity. Since you have voted for a change in the demographics section, I wanted to update you on this proposal. I would love to hear your comments on talk:India. Thanks so much. Have a great day!

-Coollemonade 23:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Belated welcome to WP:India

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RE:Hindi

I would like to run the Ganeshbot on the Hindi wikipedia. I am ready to type in the template for Indian cities and towns so that they can be expanded. Please reply. Maquahuitl 07:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Deeptrivia was looking to do the same some time back. I had sent him a csv file for translation. I can send you the same. Please send me a e-mail so that I have your address to send the file to. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 06:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disappointed

I'm deeply disappointed by your comments on the main page talk page, in reference to Pakistan and Pakistani editors. As I mentioned before your comments, there was absolutely no reason to bring up Pakistan. Yousaf never brought up Pakistan and he repeatedly denied this had anything to do with India-Pakistan. You should remember to Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Other editors, including me, pointed out why the claim of India bias had no merit without having to retort to attack Pakistan or Pakistani editors. Nil Einne 11:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian demographics pic

Hi, I believe you had once expressed a view about this pic that appears in the India article, demographics section. I do not know what your exact comment was. But you had been counted among those who had expressed a view to "keep" the pic in the article. Since some of us now feel that this pic is a better replacement, in that it is more relevant to the said section, I request you to please leave a comment here. Thanks. Sarvagnya 09:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reformatting thye display of userboxes on your user page

I have reformatted the display of the userboxes in your user page as the display was mixing up different items of your content when I looked at it. Please take a look at the current version and see if you wish to keep the modification or revert as per your choice. Do let me know if you would like any feedback/other help. -Deepraj | Talk 15:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template

Salaam Maquahuitl. I appreciate your interest in Hindustani related articles. Your template regarding this topic seems to be helpful. Would you mind finalizing it and placing it in the appropriate articles. I think this would be a good idea. Thanks. Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 05:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

06:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Sayed Mohd Faiz Hiader Rizvi (talk)==Your recent edits== Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot 22:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Portal: Uttar Pradesh

Hi! Maquahuitl,
I read your wish of starting Portal: Uttar Pradesh today while visiting your userpage, I have already started same on 14, Nov 2007, you are welcome to contribute and update the sections.
- Sayed Mohd Faiz Hiader Rizvi (talk) 06:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry! about any offence but it seems your User page says,

" Once they are classified under the GA category I shall try to start the Uttar Pradesh portal."
So I messaged you.
Sayed Mohd Faiz Hiader Rizvi (talk) 11:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Maquahuiti

Happy New year Pls help me to circulate this appeal- if any body/ or few of You brilliants who reside in North India can tell me about newspapers in India like Punjab Kesari, Dainik Bhaskar , Rajasthan Patrika , Navjyoti ? or few famous news papers of Jaipur , Rajasthan , Punjab Their circulation or popularity . & if any body of you know Hindi. or interested to explore different/ all or specific religion , philosophy , poetry etc . I want your help to translate some few 50 line of Hindi news to English. Pls. Gift your name to me on my talk page please Regards - --Dralansun (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou Maquahuiti

to care me with your generous reply. very soon I will give you a url link. this will carry few news of Hindi News Papers. As you are brillaint in Hindi I would like you to translate them in English & post them on my discussion page. If you feel you can also email me the same or save with you where you can post the translation if they get deleted in process of editing /improving / cleanup.I need you to stand up beside me and help me as a wiki friend who help and share knowledge growth True & Sincere regards once again to U. Naaamaste --Dralansun (talk) 19:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No i am not an Indian

=I am an Irish-English= . But love India & Hindi language ‘tum kha ja rahe ho, tum khan se ho ? kahan javoge? tum musalman ho? Yaan Hindu ho ? …vagira vagira’. I frequently visit India. From last 12 months I am in India. I went to my native only for formality to extending visa. I love to learn meditation and track Himachal. I read Buddha, went Matlodgunj. Manali,Kashmir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dralansun (talk • contribs) 19:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But I live and brought up among Indian-South Hall,close by is Hounslow, in London near Heathrow aiport. But I love the multiculture of India. Their sense of wisdom, love, feeling emotions are different from us. They are helpful, they empathy other's culture, country equally. I saw Gadar. starring Actor 'Sunny Dwel' . I am found of Hindi movies , they dance around well & tree. I understnad Hindi. but i can't talk or write equally well. Shah rukhkhan & many are famous in UK. But I feel today they are going different way , young are imitating bad things about us. It's irony we love your culture & you love our's. what a funny world.....see i have posted a view - pls help me to circulate among your indian editors freinds in wikiprojects. I need you & good people like you--- I have read one author's work - I was highly impressed & still carried away with his novel thoughts. One journalist friend gave this book on my birthday. It was difficult so he read for me.I have so many Indian friends here but they are not good at translating or undestanding this critical subject.You see it's matter of interest. This book made my life more mad. There are many 'Bhhava Aartha'-meaning to be explored in this book as one say or see in 'Scriputre of Gita Saar'-Hare Krishna', Many authors have explored Sacred Gita with vivid visions, so I need brillaint persons like you... One Faizhaider is also teaming up with us. I expect more with your help.

read here what I wrote him

Dear Faizhaider,

Yes I want efficient editors friendly -generous like you who guide nut like me permanently just to improve. clean up enhance, guard my raised pages. The subject & research will surely interest and amuse you & change your life of thinking on humanism . Reg: Translation of Hindi, soon I will post a url link here & also on my talk page. You click on it & translate few news photo scanned /kept there. & thereafter if you don’t get bore we will journey on a small 31 pages book together on Hindi. The book is in capsulated size & the name of the book is 'Brhmaand Pujan'. Only few newspapers/ media journalists of India & wise religious people are fortunate to read this forbidden book- You will be among those few.( Book is non mythological, non superstitious & is absolutely non-religion). I believe it will change your perception for ever. Must your vision grow more in Allah's wisdom than his materialistic wealth. Thank you to join me as my pillar of strength. I love good people as I love my God & Guru. & the real God or Guru stay invisible. Their preaching & performance to beautify human kind is important not their idols or pix –either to fame/advt them to promote religion. The world should not come with one more professionalize religion - This is my Guru's says-.

Khuda Haafis .

--Dralansun (talk) 15:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)--Dralansun (talk) 15:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Taskforce

I would suggest the idea of a taskforce at the talk page of WP:India. By the way, almost all of the links to your template are functional. It seems like you could start applying the template. With regards, AnupamTalk 07:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to hear that people are not replying. You might want to consider just creating the workgroup yourself and let people join when they see the workgroup has been created. All you need to do is create this page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Uttar Pradesh. You can look at several of the other states' workgroups to see what content they have for examples here. Also, I thought you might find it interesting that User:Faizhaider has created Portal:Uttar Pradesh which is formatted very nicely, including several nice topics. I hope this helps. Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 17:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Maquahuitl. It is my hope that you will not get discouraged as you have plenty of good ideas and knowledge to share on Wikipedia. By the way, User:Tuncrypt is not a administrator but a regular such as you or I. Encyclopædia Britannica has an article on the Hindustani language as given here. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica article for Urdu, "Urdu originally derived from Hindustani, the lingua franca of northern India before the partition." The Hindi article on Encyclopædia Britannica makes a similar statement. In addition, the dictionary definition of Urdu (two of four) states the fact that Urdu is "a language derived from Hindustani" or that is is "official language of Pakistan, 1796, from Hindustani". The dictionary definition of Hindi also states that Hindi is "a literary language derived from Hindustani". Wikipedia works by a Verifiability policy which means that content is approved for articles if it can be buttressed by reliable sources. Encyclopædia Britannica, among various dictionaries linked above are accurate. From my understanding and research, your claims are correct: both Hindi and Urdu are standard registers of Hindustani, the common language of the Indian subcontinent before the partition. After the partition, these registers were standardized by the governments of India and Pakistan. I am of the same opinion of you on this issue. The template was accurate and I do not understand why it was deleted as well. It provided a great way to link the language articles together. Before the partition of India, Hindustani traces itself back to Hindavi. I personally wrote that article and I believe it explains the history of the pre-partition lingua franca quite well. Another reputable source from North Carolina State University, "Because day to day Hindustani was essentially a widespread Indian lingua franca not associated with any particular region or class, it was chosen as the basis for modern Hindi, the national language of India. Modern Hindi is essentially Hindustani with a lexicon of Sanskrit-derived vocabulary in preference to the Persian borrowings of literary Urdu. Likewise, Hindustani in its Urdu form was adopted by Pakistan as a national language because Urdu is not tied to any of the regions comprising modern Pakistan. Thus a language which is really nobody's mother tongue is today the second most spoken language in the world, understood throughout most of the populous Indian subcontinent and in many unexpected corners of the globe." I hope this information helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 21:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that another user, User:Kwamikagami supported the template and found it to be useful too. With regards, AnupamTalk 00:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. If you check my recent post, you'll see that I've already pointed out the definitional problems related to the term Hindustani, and it looks like that here that Britannica is using the first listed definition, that of Hindustani = Khari Boli. Furthermore I go on to state the unavoidable definitional problems related to the term Hindi. For example, it seems that Britannica and the dictionary don't distinguish between Hindi as a composite of dialects and Modern Standard Hindi, as standardized register of one dialect, Khari Boli. In terms of separate pages, Wikipedia doesn't either, describing both in a single Hindi page.
  2. You are working on a flawed principle. The fact that Urdu and (Modern Standard) Hindi are registers of "Hindustani" (when defined as =Khari Boli) doesn't support a "Topic related to Hindustani language" template. Just because thing B derives from thing A doesn't mean that it remains wholly subsumed under thing A. This along with all the other stuff I've said.
  3. It's funny that you should speak so innocently about verifiability, as if I'm someone lacking such an understanding. If anything, it's you who should be reminded that encyclopedias and dictionaries are secondary sources, based on more primary sources, and that they can lack nuance, even accuracy. The primary reviews which I possess and base my linguistic opinions and contributions on are these three: Cardona, George & Dhanesh Jain (2003), The Indo-Aryan Languages; Masica, Colin (1991), The Indo-Aryan Languages; Garry, Jane & Carl Rubino (2001), An encyclopedia of the world's major languages, past and present.
  4. Either way, when all's said and done, there is no reason to fret. It's only a Hindustani-named template that I oppose, not templates for this topic in general. User:Kwamikagami's support was along these lines, supporting the usefulness of a template, whatever it may be called, as I do. Hopefully that's basically what you want, and in that case my proposal is of two templates of Hindi and Urdu each, for all the reasons outlined in my recent post. They'd converge on a small number of things, but rightly and characteristically diverge on a larger number of other things. Tuncrypt (talk) 19:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ref:Taskforce for Hindustani

Hi !,
I saw your Taskforce for Hindustani talk on User Anupam's Talk page. I'll also like to help in this task.
Bye !
Sayed Mohd Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hindustani language template

Hi. I see that you have created a navigation box for "Topics related to Hindustani language". Now personally, or rather, factually, I think that such a template is not warranted. Here's why. 1) The name "Hindustani" lacks popular currency and is defunct in this regard. 2) The name lacks linguistic/academic currency on a scale the existence of such a template would purport. "Hindi", "Urdu", and "Hindi-Urdu" are what linguist use as descriptive names. 3) Furthermore, with regards to the definition of "Hindustani", discussion on it takes the form of an aside, with that of it as a facet of, a shared colloquial basis in between, the Hindi and Urdu that are being described, and not the other way around. Hindi and Urdu are not subsumed under the rubric of Hindustani. 4) Such a practice becomes only so much more inaccurate considering the extreme breadth accorded now to the term "Hindi", subsuming vast tracts of non-Khari Boli dialects and literary languages under it. 5) Finally, having already made my point either way, it still remains pertinent to point out the ridiculousness of categorizing Hindi and Urdu literature together, which is what the template does. The things that are "Hindi" and "Urdu" have equivalent grammars, similar histories, and similar phonologies. These are all things known and noted, whenever and wherever necessary. However positing a unity of literatures shows an utter lack of understanding of the fundamentals concerning that which Hindi and Urdu are and are not.

In summary, "Hindustani" is not a language but a term sometimes used in discussions of Hindi and Urdu– two things that, whatever their complexities and complications, are above all real, are accorded primacy in both popular and academic usage, and thereby are to be accorded primacy as such on Wikipedia. Your self-definition as an "enthusiastic novice" quite clearly shows, but luckily someone noticed. Your template should be deleted, and I am to be going about reverting all your additions of it. Tuncrypt (talk) 02:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New templates

Check my new posts here. I've made new templates. There are substantial differences, and the issue looks to be resolved. Tuncrypt (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Thanks

Hello Maquahuitl! You are very welcome. I apologize for the delayed reply. Yes, your points are indeed valid. What I meant by my sentence was that Hindavi was an earlier name for Hindustani. As for Urdu, keep in mind that the Urdu spoken in Pakistan today, is being standardized by their government, which is resulting in its absorption of more Arabic and Persian words (source). This distinguishes it slightly from the Urdu spoken before the partition of India. Thanks again for your link as well. I found it to be useful. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the project can still be fruitful, given the large amount of people interested in the subject. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I invite & seek Translation of News-Reviews from the below site

Brhmaand Pujan

http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com/

Which can be used only for 'Fair Purpose' Translation- Hindi to English & other languages too. This site would be updated time to time, Meanwhile, I invite the research editors team, seeking & extending your ‘Individual Translations’ help-support –‘all or any’ one after another, If some pictures or words are not visible or too small to read, In such condition, you may temporary save them in your computer’s folder/files and then magnify & view them on your monitor screen. After translating them, your good self can post them on my talk page with exact & accurate details.

However, the name of the News Papers , Date of publications, Title of News / Reviews , along with the matter is important. Thank you heartily, in anticipation. --Dralansun (talk) 16:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Maquahuiti could your goodself pls spare time

I request to find time & help this stub, orphaned article grow with link-ups Brhmand Pujan & See what ever you can translate & add from below site which display news and reviews in Hindi from some of the leading Hindi News Papers of India

http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com/ (For Fair Use Only)

--Dralansun (talk) 10:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category- dialects of Hindi and Hindustani

I searched for deletion log to find reason for deletion of these category pages but was unable to trace any.

I am now also wondering why these categories were deleted. Is there any issue? As per my knowledge Hindi/Hindustani is categorised into different dialects as other languages we have local words also for them i.e. boli(बोली) and this categorization is official.

Can I know what were the previous issues due to which these categories were deleted?

--Sayed Mohd Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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