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The chicken or the egg causality dilemma arises from the expression "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Chickens hatch from eggs, but eggs are laid by chickens, making it difficult to say which originally gave rise to the other. To ancient philosophers, the question about the first chicken or egg also evoked the questions of how life and the universe in general began.[1] Cultural references to the chicken and egg intend to point out the futility of identifying the first case of circular cause and consequence.

History of the problem

Ancient references to the dilemma are found in the writings of classical philosophers. Their writings indicate that the proposed problem was perplexing to themselves and was commonly discussed by others of their time as well.

Aristotle (384-322 BC) was puzzled by the idea that there could be a first bird or egg and concluded that both the bird and egg must have always existed:

"If there has been a first man he must have been born without father or mother -- which is repugnant to nature. For there could not have been a first egg to give a beginning to birds, or there should have been a first bird which gave a beginning to eggs; for a bird comes from an egg." The same he held good for all species, believing, with Plato, that everything before it appeared on earth had first its being in spirit."[2]

Plutarch (46-126 AD) referred to a hen rather than simply a bird. His is Moralia in the books titled "Table Talk" discussed a series of arguments based on questions posed in a symposium. Under the section entitled, "Whether the hen or the egg came first," the discussion is introduced in such a way suggesting that the origin of the dilemma was even older:

"...the problem about the egg and the hen, which of them came first, was dragged into our talk, a difficult problem which gives investigators much trouble. And Sulla my comrade said that with a small problem, as with a tool, we were rocking loose a great and heavy one, that of the creation of the world..."[3]

Macrobius (395423 AD), a Roman philosopher, found the problem to be interesting.

"You jest about what you suppose to be a triviality, in asking whether the hen came first from an egg or the egg from a hen, but the point should be regarded as one of importance, one worthy of discussion, and careful discussion at that."[4]

Stephen Hawking and Christopher Langan, both prominent modern thinkers, agree that the egg came before the chicken.[5] An analysis covering all of the major variants was authored by Langan in 2001.[6][7][8][9][10]

Responses to the dilemma

Definitions

The dilemma can be interpreted differently using different definitions of a chicken or an egg. The term egg is biologically ambiguous[6] and phyletic gradualism, for example, does not support a clear division between a chicken and the close ancestors of that chicken. Both of those factors tend to contribute to the circular nature of the question (causing problems similar to either a hasty generalization or a fallacy of definition). Below are a few different definitions that could be assumed and their logical outcomes.[6]

  • If the egg is not necessarily of any specific type:
    • Then it could be said that the egg came first, because other animals had been laying eggs long before chickens existed. In biology, egg is used as general term in this way.[6]
  • If only an egg laid by a chicken can be considered a chicken egg:
    • Then a bypass is allowed: The first chicken (which hatched from a non-chicken egg) laid the first chicken egg. In this case the chicken came before the chicken egg.
  • If only an egg that will hatch a chicken can be considered a chicken egg:
    • Then a bypass is allowed: Some animal other than a chicken laid the first chicken egg which contained the first chicken. In this case the chicken egg came before the chicken. The theory of Punctuated equilibrium would suggests that the final speciation of the chicken from it's ancestral species was probably a result of mutation combined with geographical isolation, called Cladogenesis.
  • If only an egg laid by a chicken and that will hatch into a chicken can be considered a chicken egg:
    • Then the egg that the first chicken hatched from must not have been a chicken egg, since it was not laid by a chicken, and only once that original chicken laid an egg was the first chicken egg in existence. In this case the egg came before the chicken and the chicken came before the chicken egg.

Theology

Theistic writings indicate the creation of birds along with the rest of the universe. Islam believes that God created from everything two pairs. The Judeo-Christian story of creation describes God creating birds, and commanding them to multiply, but makes no direct mention of eggs. According to Genesis 1:

19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.[11]

However, a theistic evolution standpoint says that chicken eggs are how God created chickens.[12] By this argument, God created chickens through evolution, and could have created them as eggs. In Hindu writings, creation of birds (and other life forms) by God through superhuman beings is stated in Purāṇas[13] and Dharmaśāstras.[14]

Genetics

Species change over time in the process of evolution. Since DNA can only be modified before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that a non-chicken mother laid the first chicken egg.[15][16]

The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.[17] Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the egg came before the chicken.

Syntax

In a manner of avoiding the question, it can be said that "the chicken" came first—in the structure of the question. This is simply because the words "the chicken" are said before the words "the egg" when the question is asked. If the question is phrased differently, the answer is different.[18]

Examples

There are many real-world examples in which the chicken-or-egg question helps identify the analytical problem:

  • Fear of economic downturn cause people to spend less, which reduces demand, causing economic downturn
  • Fear of violence/war can make people more defensive/violent, the resulting tension/violence will cause more fear.
  • More jobs cause more consumption, which requires more production, and thus more jobs.

See also

A chick hatching from an egg

References

  1. ^ Theosophy (September, 1939). "Ancient Landmarks: Plato and Aristotle". Theosophy. 27 (11): 483-491. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)CS1 maint: year (link)
  2. ^ Blavatsky, H.P. (1877). Isis Unveiled. pp. I, 426–428.
  3. ^ Goodwin, W W (1878). Plutarch's Morals. Boston: Little, Brown, and Co.
  4. ^ Smith, Page (2000). The Chicken Book. University of Georgia Press. p. 169. ISBN 082032213X. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  5. ^ "Archives: Meeting Dr. Stephen Hawking". The Bridge School. 2005. Retrieved 2008-02-08.
  6. ^ a b c d Christopher Michael Langan (2001). "Which Came First..." Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe. megafoundation.org. Retrieved 2008-02-08.
  7. ^ Langan, C M (2002). The Art of Knowing: Expositions on Free Will and Selected Essays. Eastport: Mega Press.
  8. ^ C M Langan (June, 2001). "HiQ: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?". The Improper Hamptonian. Westhampton Beach, NY. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)CS1 maint: year (link)
  9. ^ C M Langan (September 4, 2001). "Chris Langan answers your questions". New York Newsday. Melville, NY.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: year (link)
  10. ^ John R. Quain (October 14, 2001). "Wise Guy". Popular Science.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: year (link)
  11. ^ Genesis 1:19-22 (ASV)
  12. ^ Eugenie C. Scott (December 7, 2000). "The Creation/Evolution Continuum". National Center for Science Education. Retrieved 2008-02-09.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: year (link)
  13. ^ Bhāgavata Purāṇa 2.10.39, 6.4.1, 6.6.21-22, 7.14.37, 11.9.28, 12.12.17
  14. ^ Manu smṛti 1.34-41
  15. ^ CNN (May 26, 2006). "Chicken and egg debate unscrambled". CNN.com. Retrieved 2008-02-09. {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: year (link)
  16. ^ HowStuffWorks. "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?". HowStuffWorks. Retrieved 2008-02-09.
  17. ^ Eriksson J, Larson G, Gunnarsson U, Bed'hom B, Tixier-Boichard M; et al. (January 23, 2008). "Identification of the Yellow Skin Gene Reveals a Hybrid Origin of the Domestic Chicken". PLoS Genetics, e10.eor doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1000010.eor. Retrieved 2008-02-20. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: year (link)
  18. ^ Randy Garner (2003). "Which Came First, The Chicken or The Egg? A Foul Metaphor for Teaching". Radical Pedagogy. ISSN 1524-6345.