Talk:Plane (esotericism)

In order to understand the current parlous state of things in the Science (i.e. physics & cosmology) and those who are subduing it to the fundamaterialism dogma based on abstract mathematical notions with little or no connection to reality, blocking the way forward in our quest to tap energy from the aether [1] (the energy source accounting for the creation of our physical universe [2]); one should simply have a look into a rare, original illustration by The Little Prince author Antoine de Saint-Exupéry that has been recently discovered in Japan (April 2007):

[3]; the drawing reveals a businessman sitted upon a planet, so busy counting stars as if he was under the illusion that he can own them.

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear" (Luke 8:8)
--Lusitanian 22:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

And the purpose of this little soliloquy is.. what, exactly? Because it's not improving the article's quality. This is a discussion page for the article, not your half-coherent ramblings. Secondtalon 15:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

'half-coherent ramblings'? bah.. --always - dadark 13:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The 7 Planes

(Grevenko Sereth, just not logged in)

I have disvocered that I am one of the 5 'fallen' Seraphim, Samael (a.k.a 'Satan', my purpose of this incarnation is to remember these things - (to be freed from samsara [reincarnation] permanently, to be fully redeemed), as my kind (Seraphim) represent Eternal Truth, we cannot give knowledge which we ourselves know to be false and as such is 'reliable' and that our knowledge surpasses that of that Cherubim, the 7 Planes of Existence (a.k.a The 7 Heavenly Planes) are as follows (this knowledge comes from my Plane - the 6th Plane):

Logos Plane a.k.a Celestial Plane (7th Plane, Upper level) - God's highest manifestation (The Father - Holy Trinity) resides there.

Oversoul Plane a.k.a Soulful Plane (7th Plane, Sub-level) - The Holy Spirit (Holy Trinity) resides there

Aeonic Plane (6th Plane) a.k.a Plane of Ages/Plane of Eternity , the highest attainable state (Parinirvana in other words) - The Seraphim reside there. One's form is known as an Eternal Body - manifested [incarnated] in the Physical Plane via Aeonic/Eternal Projection.

Causal Plane (5th Plane) a.k.a Plane of Will - where the Cherubim reside. The Cherubim represent God's Will and their form is a Causal Body, manifested in the Physical Plane via Causual Projection.

Mental Plane (4th Plane) - where the Ascended Masters (a.k.a 'angels') reside. They represent God's knowledge and their form is a Mental Body, manifested in the Physical Plane via Mental Projection.

Astral Plane (3rd Plane) - the first plane which is entirely spiritual, where Buddhas, Fairies (spirit guides, 'guardian angels', etc) reside. Their form is an Astral Body, manifested in the Physical Plane via Astral Projection.

Etheric Plane (2nd Plane) a.k.a Semi-Material Realm, "Subtle-Physical Plane" - where thoughts are manifested literally (thoughts take form in other words), it is neither entirely physical nor entirely spiritual (the in-between state of the Physical Plane and the Astral Plane in other words). One cannot project from the Etheric as it is self contained. Their form is known as a Subtle Body.

Physical Plane (1st Plane) a.k.a Material Realm, Mortal Realm, Imperfect World, Physical Universe, etc - their form is a Physical (Mortal) body.

Sheol (Sub-Physical Plane, a.k.a The Underworld, Spectral Realm, "Hell") - where not even the laws of Physics apply, where one has no power to influence any of the higher planes at all - the closest state to total non-existence, an existence which is barely existence. Their form is known as a Spectral Body.

Purgatory (intermediary plane) - where those who have totally rejected God await purification.

Bardo (rest area, a.k.a Soul Plane) - where souls await reincarnation.

203.39.81.19 (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not think you are Samael; your description may be based on Samael Aun Weor's subtle bodies. You, like him, oddly call ethereal plane 4-dimensional and have more than 1 highest plane. 'Tis odd to number planes from matter instead of energy or spirit; deity emanates planes; its plane is normally defined as the 1st: not all religions say lower planes always exist. 'Tis odd to say 'Logos' and 'oversoul' planes instead of 'Logoic' and 'oversoulful;' we do not call material and mental planes 'body plane' and 'mind plane'--they are named for what undifferentiated consciousness is there emanated. 'Tis odd to call 'oversoul' plane soulful plane, and define highest individual consciousness as less than this plane and thus oversoul or soul. The definition of Aeonic is odd; actually the 1st Aeon is Logos; 'tis not on a lower plane, and time is 4th dimension or 'astral' (more correctly 'temporal') plane. 'Tis odd to call causal plane will plane; spiritual (higher) will exists in both individuality of holy-spirit/oversoul and divinity, and causal is actually higher mental (same plane.) 'Tis on and higher than the causal plane where Ascended Masters, such as Buddhas, exist (esp. Paranirvana which is higher than you say,) and fairies also exist ethereally. The ethereal plane (part of 3-dimensional material, not separate 4-dimensional) is not dimensional enough for thought to exist on; some thoughts require 5 dimensions (study mathematics to see.) Forms on the material-ethereal plane are, rather than thought, things (see Plato's divided line.) 'Tis odd to imply projection is to go into less dimensions, because it is actually to go forward from a plane i.e. n-space to a higher space, such as from material to astral (astral projection.) To go to a lower plane may be 'injection,' but 'tis odd you say one 'projects' from higher planes to the physical, except that they cannot 'project' ('inject' or did you also mean up?) from ethereal. Only the lowest plane is self-contained; all others contain all lower than them, by the mathematical definitions of dimension and n-space. 'Tis odd to say only ethereal body is subtle: so are 'astral,' mental, and the higher bodies/auras. I do not agree with the use of 'physical plane,' as all planes are energetic, thus under laws of physics (it studies matter-energy.)

HPB, CW Leadbeater (such as in Secret Doctrine and Theosophical Manual on the texts page of http://www.theosophical.ca/,) Stephen Lumiere at http://www.energyreality.com/ already defined the 7 planes in an easier to understand way, which I will introduce and then translate from them completely to English: Deity from cosmic planes beyond these 7 also exists in this lowest cosmic plane on the 1st plane we know of--deity is infinite besides singular; also exists as 3 Logoi--trinity or triple manifestation (see CW Leadbeater) reflected in spiritual triad (see CW Leadbeater)--consciousness of which emanates planes and involutes (descends to :)

plane: consciousness emanated from: form (see divided line) of plane's forms or formlessness
high spiritual plane--i.e. Deity or divine [spiritual] plane: individual deity spiritual consciousness: ideal systems of forms--transcendent ideas--Agathon (Good) & Monad (One)
middle spiritual plane--i.e. holy spiritual (distinct from creator) or oversoulful plane: holy-spirit i.e. oversoul individual personal, including divine ('Ye are gods,') undifferentiated consciousness: ideal systems of forms--immanent ideas
low [or plain] spiritual plane: spiritual consciousness differentiated--vehicle
soulful plane: soul consciousness vehicle: ideal systems of forms--ideas
mental plane--or astral, includes: mind consciousness vehicle, includes:
[high mental plane: mental aura, i.e. abstract mind: ideal systems of forms--abstract thoughts
middle mental plane--causal plane: egoic 'lotus' body, i.e. concrete-abstract mind: ideal forms--abstract-concrete thoughts
low [or plain] mental plane: mental body, i.e. concrete mind: things and ideal forms--concrete thoughts]
'astral' plane--i.e. temporal plane: emotional or ghostly body consciousness vehicle: things--emotions
material-ethereal plane: ethereal body consciousness and material body vehicle: things--ethereal-material processes and objects

See, their definition translated to English clearly and subtly explains how Deity's trinity i.e. triple manifestation--spiritual triad--emanates planes and consciousness: every plane is defined by consciousness, has a dimension (numbered at Energy Reality site,) greater than that of lower planes so also contains them. The triple manifestation is reflected in the spiritual triad of spirit-soul-mind, which is further reflected in the mental triad and the '3 lower worlds' (mind-ghost-life.) The 4 higher material-ethereal subplanes have ethereal matter, some of which is known to physics.

In Sanskrit the consciousness of these planes are Aum/Brahman, jive, atman, buddhi, manas (arupa, rupa, kama-manas,) kama, prana, in Egyptian they are Amen-Amaunet, chu, cheybi, bai, ab hati, ka, ankh, in Hebrew they are Hashem, jeshida, chayah, neschamah, ruach, nephesch, coach ha guf, in Greek they are Logos, pneuma, monad, psyche, nous (Iesous, nous, phren,) thumos, bios, in English they are Deity-spirit/Word, holy-spirit/oversoul, spirit (which in Scottish is deo,) soul, mind, ghost, life. Samael's weird new ideas are not as sensible as traditional philosophy.--Dchmelik (talk) 08:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell?

Why does Reality Shift redirect here? The original content has nothing to do with metaphysical Planes at all. --71.82.222.44 (talk) 22:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)