Talk:Chip Reese

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Death

The Negrenau blog isn't a cite that should be used for long. But Lou Kreiger and others in the poker community have confirmed the death. I'll put in a better reference as soon as Lou publishes it. PhGustaf 19:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's on the front page of the Las Vegas Review-Journal right now. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another reference is at http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/12/chip-reese-passes-at-56.htm Myth America (talk) 22:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC) please fix the word "betted" no such word exists, I'm pretty sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.243.116 (talk) 03:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "betted" bugged me too, and I fixed it. There's more copy editing to be done, but that's for later. PhGustaf (talk) 05:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Add this "Reese is survived by a son, a daughter and a stepdaughter" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.146.209.193 (talk) 15:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the suggestions coming. Sorry about the page being protected, but it was suffering steady vandalism. PhGustaf (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can also create an account and contribute directly - that would be even better! ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 19:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection affects newly registered user as much as IPs... KTC (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Intro too long

I took a very quick cut at moving stuff ouy of the intro section. I'll leave the infobox up for its poster to remove if he sees fit. The article does need copy editing. PhGustaf (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chip Reese greatest cash game player

Chip Reese has been regarded as the greatest cash game player that ever lived. Both ESPN and NYTimes said this. This title was bestow upon him while he was still alive. Doyle Brunson and others said he was the greatest player that ever lived out of respect on the day of his death. Suggesting that he was a great person which im sure he was. Doyle Brunson, Mike Sexton, and many professional poker players have also regarded Stu Ungar as the greatest all around player. There are citation for that as well. 63.76.234.250 (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article now says some players regarded him as the greatest cash game player. That's fine. Saying he was the greatest isn't going to happen, and going on and on about it isn't either. He's certainly not the greatest tournament player by any measure, and he lost millions to Archie Karas playing heads up, and quit playing him. So while we can make the point that he has immense respect as an all around player, labeling him the best of all time is non-encyclopedic and way over the top considering all the facts. 2005 (talk) 21:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, you guys don't know what you are talking about. Chip Reese ended up WINNING millions off of Archie Karas, after Karas admittedly won about 2 million from him his during his initial, famous rush. Read Richard Munchkin's Gambling Wizards, a 2002 book which contains interviews with several of the world's most famous and accomplished gamblers, Chip Reese included. Karas also admits to losing back several million to Reese in the series of interviews that he recently did with Tom Sexton at Pokernews.com. The reasons why Karas losing the money back to Reese are relatively unknown are two fold: (1) Archie lost that money back after the "run," as his historic rush has been called by some, so it didn't garner much publicity (Karas went broke a long time ago); and (2) on a related matter, Chip was low-key, old school and did not wish to and did not advertise his wins. In fact, in Munchkin's book and elsewhere, Reese stated that he was happy that people thought he had lost all of that money to Karas and regularly liked it when others similarly claimed wins off of him. It was good for "business." Of course, whether and/or how much he won off Karas in his lifetime is neither here nor there, as whether Reese lost to any particular player in a side game at a given moment in time is completely irrelevant.

Similarly, labeling Reese the best all around player is not "non-encyclopediac" [sic], as you erroneously state. It is pretty much by consensus. This consensus was reached long before he died, though you had to dig a little to find it, as Reese shunned the limelight. Read Timothy O'Brien's "Bad Bet." Go back and watch ESPN's airing of the "tournament of champions" that Annie Duke won, in which it was repeately stated that most of the top players considered Reese to be the greatest all around player in the world. See what Lyle Berman and Bobby Baldwin have to say about the subject, and had said well before Reese died. Everyboydy just didn't declare him to be the greatest ever just because he died and they wanted to say nice things about him. Do your homework. Find the story about Jennifer Harman asking other professionls for their opinion about how she played a hand, and read about her characterization of Reese as the "greatest poker player to ever walk the face of the earth." Annie Duke provides nearly the exact same description in her biography (see description of Reese in index). Doyle himself has been quoted countless times, WELL BEFORE REESE'S DEATH, calling Reese the greatest ever.

Do your homework you wikipedia dorks. It is apparent that you probably idolize some of the "TV players" out there today and are extremely ignorant as to who was the best. Just because you know how to navigate the "wikipedia waters" better than me does not mean that you know what you are talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.158.238 (talk) 03:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And one more thing: why don't you check for the veracity of the alleged, objectionable quotes? If you do, you will see that they are all 100% accurate, and then, instead of complaining, you can use your wikipedia proficiency to link the sources so that they are satisfactorily cited. That is of course if you are interested in having accurate and complete articles.