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Proposed decision

Just wanted to remind you (or in case you didn't see it yet, to inform you) that the Tango case has a 5.1 principle proposed by Uninvited Co. Would request your vote on it, as well as on Fof 3. Please also note that FloNight is reconsidering her votes on the remedies after checking the talk page - it may be eye-opening. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]

Indeed, but I think it also means (and such changes demonstrate that) we're well-informed of the actual case. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to bother you again. There is also a 9.1 principle proposed by Kirill - the modified Meatball principle. Would request your vote on it too. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]

I just noticed what you said there: "Too broad. Admin: "If you don't stop doing XYZ, I'll have to block you." Bad user: "You're a steaming pile of crap. Look, I just did it again." Admin: "Oh, I can't block you now."" - that's not true. If XYZ was a 3RR breach (say), and the bad user did it again and also insulted the admin at the same time, the admin can still block for the second 3RR breach. The bad user might try and claim that the block was in retaliation for the "steaming pile of crap" comment, but it should be clear that the block was for the second 3RR breach. What the admin shouldn't block for is the "steaming pile of crap" comment. The admin should ignore the "steaming pile of crap" comment (to head off accusations that the block was retaliatory), or let others deal with it. This case is slightly more tricky, in that the warning was for incivility in general, followed by an example of incivility against the admin. Technically, that could be followed up by a block by another admin, but a better response would be for the initial admin to rise above all that and merely repeat the warning. Carcharoth (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. But my statement applies to the absolutist principle, not the particular case. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears that you have voted with 2 'second choices' for remedy 1 - I think one of these is meant to be 'third choice'? Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]
    • You can leave me links to make these reminders easier! Assume I'm lazy as all hell. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 18:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Lol, I can't stop grinning now :D Though you've striked most of the text for the support vote, it is still numbered as if there is a support vote and an oppose vote. I'd have got rid of it myself with an edit-summary saying "formatting", if I wasn't afraid I'd be told off by an admin for daring to even think of touching the page lol. Ok, a very slight exaggeration :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, don't worry about that. Edits with comments like "fix broken formatting", especially in obvious cases like that, are OK. Changing any content would be more questionable (like, for example, changing the heading levels on the remedies.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 19:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed decision - Prem Rawat

Just wanted to remind you (or in case you didn't see it yet, to inform you) that this case requires your vote on the 2.1 remedy, so that the case is ready to close. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]

Also, you may wish to make a vote on Fof 1.1 for the record - Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]

I appreciate your note (especially because it got rid of a small doubt I had about them) :) You're most welcome. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Homeopathy case

Would request you check the "Motions and requests" section in the workshop for this case - I would particularly like some clarification from all ArbCom members on the 2nd request by me - Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Historical revisionism (revisionist historians)

I think you were mistaken in your deletion. Also, I put up a hangon tag. And it's just a List With 2 sentences of what these people subscribe to. Please explain why you deleted it? Also, please consider un-deleting. Thank you. --Ludvikus (talk) 17:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I respect your work protecting Wikipedia against Vandalism, Crankism, & and Crack potism. But I think you were mistake in deleting the most complete list of Historical revisionists. Also, I quoted exactly what the say and stand for. So I think I produced a useful and important list for Wikipedia. Please re-consider your Good faith deletion. Also, I had a Hangon Tag on it. So that's another reason it did not qualify for a Speedy deletion. Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 17:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, look at our Articles: Historical revisionism and Historical revisionism (negationism). The List I created specifies exactly who the proponents of this -ism(s) are. So please reconsider your Good faith deletion. I think you made a mistake. --Ludvikus (talk) 17:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't get to cut-and-paste lists or anything else from other sites. Period. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • That cite itself is just a list. And Cut & Paste is just a way we use computers The important thing is the end result. And in the end there is no Copyright violation because what I put up was (1) an alphabetized list of members in a movement. Do I have to leave someone out in order for me not to violate a copyright principle? Also, I quoted the equivalent of a mission statement of the organization. Do I have to paraprase a mission statement to coply with what is considered a rule of Wikipedia?
    • What if I just keep the list of names? Will you tolerate that? And do you want me to put it in another order? I can do that. I can order the list by First name, instead of Last. Would that be OK? --Ludvikus (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lists are copyrightable information as well. Besides, we already have such a list, in the Holocaust denial article. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (1) This list is not. You cannot copyright a list of members of an organization. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (2) We do not have a WP:List. Naming individuals in an article is not such a list. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (3) Also - by the logic you use in (1) you would have to delete that list too, no? You just said it's copyrighted. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Help me out on this one - you know who I am - you've reverted to my versions in the Protocols of Zion. You must know by now that I know what I'm talking about. Thanx for your consideration. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know you know what you're talking about as far as information is concerned, but you often don't quite understand what Wikipedia expects and requires in articles. If you want to make such a list, start by getting consensus to split out the one from the Holocaust Denial article. Then you'll need to provide reliable sources that each person on it is indeed a holocaust denier -- right now it's lacking that, but sorely needs one. Regarding copyright, you're missing the point; you're not allowed to copy someone else's collection of data and call it Wikipedia's. The list in the HD article was built piecewise by Wikipedia editors; it's not a copy of someone else's work. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you very much. That's extremely helpful. You explained the matter now very clearly. And I will study these points carefully and respond appropriately. Thanks again. (I suspected I could count on you for clarification!) --Ludvikus (talk) 22:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Special Barnstar
It is with sincere pleasure that I award you this Barnstar for teaching me about Wikipedia by your good faith demonstraion when you acknowledge that (1) "I know that you know what you're talking about", but (2) "you don't know how Wikipedia works." That inspired to study WP workings more. Thanx cowby.

Wikipedia:The Missing Manual

FYI: I authored the above recently, after I bought the book. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to read it yet. --Ludvikus (talk) 16:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Historical revisionism vs. Revisionist Historians

I'd like to bring this to your attention first: Look at The source very, very, carefully: http://www.historians.org/perspectives/issues/2003/0309/0309pre1.cfm

  • It appears these characters pulled a hoax on us. If you look really carefully you will see that James McPherson never uses the expression Historical Revisionism. Assuming good faith, it appears Wikipedia has been hoodwinked. I've been trying for a while - unsuccessful as you should know - to bring to the attention of our community - that there has been not a single reference showing a legitimate (scholarly) use of the expression. Any legitimate historian in the United States would be insulted if he were called a 'historical revisionist. However, Revisionist historian (which McPherson uses) is a horse of a different color. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like very much like to see the look on your face when you acknowledge that I'm right at least on this one. --Ludvikus (talk)
  • However, I will enjoy very much - with delight - seeing how you handle that observation. For reason that must be obvious to you, I pass the ball to you. And observing how you handle this matter will be a great lesson for me on how Wikipedia works. Cheers. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right about what? And by the way, please stop signing every sentence in your messages? Once will really suffice. Note what everyone else does in that regard and do the same thing. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. The term McPherson uses is "Revisionist Historians." That does not mean the same thing as "Historical Revisionism." So there is no evidence for a legitimate subject under the latter term. The whole article is based on that quote from McPherson's. He's President of the American Historical Association. The quote comes from that 2003 article he wrote. He is talking about Revisionist Historians. They belong to a legitimate school of history. OK? --Ludvikus (talk) 23:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And what does that have to do with the list of mostly (perhaps entirely, but I've not researched each one of them) holocaust deniers that you were trying to put into that now-deleted article? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(1) That's not an article - it never was - it's just a blank space. (2) It's related to all the confusion. If we first establish that only Historical Revisionism exists, it will make our work much easier. (3) I'm asking for your opinion regarding what to do with the so-call "nice" Historical revisionism article. --Ludvikus (talk) 01:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protection on Book of Concord

The user:DumbBOT removed the protection on Book of Concord because it expired. I guess, then, we should wait and see whether McCain comes out of the woodwork again and tries to edit it, right? or should the protection be renewed? Maybe he will stay away.--Drboisclair (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

McCain is back again. He is editing two articles The Lutheran Hymnal and Book of Concord: he must have been biding his time.--Drboisclair (talk) 02:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which edits? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The ones with IP address 75.8.89.241, which I traced to St. Louis, Missouri. He was reverted on Book of Concord by me and on The Lutheran Hymnal by MisfitToys. There were 3[2][3][4] edits on the Book of Concord and 2[5][6] on the hymnal. I guess we can always revert him, but the Book of Concord is the article he most wants to edit.--Drboisclair (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A simple request for semi-protection should suffice, if he starts making a habit of it. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. This might be a flash in the pan. I notice that there is vigilance on the part of fellow editors with "bots" (?), who are on the look out for vandalism, etc. Thanks!--Drboisclair (talk) 13:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requests page

The requests page has been recently getting clogged up, particularly from clarifications/appeals. So, to archive some of them sooner with more certainty, I'm going to ask/remind you of some cases that need your attention. Once it's less clogged up, then that's that :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First request needing attention is an appeal of a topic ban imposed on Thomas Baseboll under the 9/11 ArbCom decision allowing discretionary sanctions - here-is-the-link-to-the-statements. So far, there has only been one arbitrator view of "I see Raul654's actions here as being in line with the AC's decision, and support them." but Thomas feels that this does not directly address whether his ban may be appealed. He would like a couple more views, and would like some reasons.

I can leave a neutral, but more detailed summary of the statements/evidence if you wish. Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vladuz Citations needed

Citation #1 - must be with-held, due to the fact that people's credit card numbers & bank details are listed.

Citation #2, #3 - I'll check and see if the information is still availible (The main copy of the information, less the actual card numbers, was posted on the German website.) If you're asking for proof that Vladuz hacked into the Lawyer's ebay account, again that's tricky as the only proof happens to be a screenshot of it - WITH the financial info.

75.7.240.28 (talk) 18:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Red4tribe evading ban

Hi. I believe that User:Red4tribe is evading his two week ban by reverting at Italian Empire whilst logged out. [7] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh-Oh...

Gordon, I need your help. An IP address has posted this thread on my talk page. I'm not too concerned about who posted it; I'm more concerned about what the thread is all about. Could you, as an admin, check the links the anon put there? -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this anon has posted something similar on a few other User talk pages as well. BoS has one, for instance, and for another, he posted something similar on the Paul McCartney talk page. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need page protection, but thanks for the links anyway. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 14:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ludvikus

Thank you for the clarification. I had thought just placing the page in the unblock category would be enough to get a "third party" response. But apparently the template was "necessary".

Any suggestions on my actions/text here or on how to handle similar situations in the future, would be welcome.

I'll go check out WP:AN/I now. - jc37 18:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BLP, antisemitc ranting etc

Can you take a look here. I keep removing greg park avenue's antisemitic and BLP violating rants, yet he persists, along with endless personal attacks (all because I cleaned up a ridiculously POV section in the article) Boodlesthecat Meow? 00:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CAMERA lobbying's "Administrators commended" remedy

Jpgordon, just a note that I have commented on the "Administrators commended" that is currently at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CAMERA lobbying/Proposed decision. My comment is located here; please do stop by if you have a spare moment. Regards, Anthøny 00:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Peter K Ekman

What was the reasons for his block? I don't see any vandalism in the contributions. Did I miss something? :P Mww113 (talk) 03:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble on the Sub-Saharan Africa page

I've just had a disturbing encounter with another Wiki editor over the sub-Saharan Africa page. He keeps insisting on juxtaposing the term "Black Africa" with the term "sub-Saharan Africa" in the text. I've explained to him that he cannot do that because it gives people the impression that everyone beneath the Sahara is black when of course they are not. There are white South Africans, Indian Kenyans, Lebanese Ivorians, Ethiopians, Mauritanians, entire mixed tribes in the Gabon, etc. that are just as African as any native Black person. I added that the two terms are therefore not equivalent; "Black Africa" is a racial term whereas "sub-Saharan Africa" is a geographical term. However, he claims they are and keeps reverting my edits. The sub-Saharan Africa page also has a history of people like this Wiki editor constantly trying to insert Afrocentric materials into the text. Some time back, someone added a quote from and external links pointing to an article hosted on an Afrocentric website that spoke of Europeans disparagingly. I had to personally remove the links, and explain that Wikipedia is no place for the promulgation of extreme idealogies. There was a big row over this same "Black Africa" issue a while ago, before it was finally decided that sub-Saharan Africa is a geographical term and not synonymous with Black Africa. Now, all this time later, this Wiki user callously disregards the will of the editors that preceded him, and attempts to single-handedly impose on the world his own personal definition of just what sub-Saharan Africa means. Can you please have a look at the page and explain to the editor that he cannot just do as he pleases? I think arbitration might be the only thing that solves this problem once and for all. 74.12.222.59 (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time limit

Is there a time limit for action taken by Arbcom. Once accepted is there a speedy action clause? I have seen minimal participation on "quotes in footnotes" and without any supervision and guidance it is drifting off topic in a dozen directions. Everything but "quotes in footnotes" is being discussed. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ludvikus (talk · contribs)

Has this user attempted to use sockpuppets??? I previously warned him that I would push for an indefinite ban if he did so... - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I think he's so unwise about our ways that he thought using his IP, without logging in (but declaring it to be him) wasn't sockpuppetry. I don't think he'll do it again (especially since I blocked the IP.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given the grotesque, onanistic *wink* means by which this user has consistently persisted in editing, I am highly in favor of a block on his talk page (I don't even care much for his reply to my last comment) for the duration of his ban; I would also strongly support an indefinite ban. His "skill" in manipulation makes Hitler look like a whining prattler, and would give the Devil himself a run for his money. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Workshop

I found this highly unusual, but I'm wondering out of curiosity - does it happen often? Ncmvocalist (talk) 02:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Rsazevedo‎

Hi. I saw where you commented on User talk:Rsazevedo‎. Could you check to see if Chenyangw (talk · contribs) is one in the same with 222.165.25.252 (talk · contribs) or any other banned user? Although we do not indef IPs, 222.165.25.252 (talk · contribs) obviously exists soley to harass Yunfeng (talk · contribs) and if this is the same individual, then, I believe, as far as we are concerned, he is banned/unwelcome/whatever, even if we may lack the technical capability of expressing that to him because he has multiple IPs or a shared IP. Thanks. --B (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • 222.165... is unrelated, IP wise. Chenyangw does seem to have some sort of connection to another IP who hassled Yunfeng:
# [[Tvf]]. . 16:37 . . anon IP xxxx  (←Replaced content with 'SU YANG IS GAY')
# [[Tibet]] . . 16:37 . . Chenyangw  (I cannot just let the obvious lie hanging there in wikipedia.)
# [[Tvf]] . . 16:34 . . anon IP xxxx

but all I could really say for this would be "possible", because it's an IP range, but not the same IP, and other checkuser information only gives a middling, not a strong, match. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok ... thanks for checking. I guess it's just something to keep an eye on, not anything actionable at this point. --B (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Red4tribe

Yet more funny business from this editor that you asked me to assume good faith with! [9] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 01:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My topic ban

Hi, where can i turn to have my topic ban lifted if the Arbcom doesn't feel it's exceptional enough for them to deal with? Banjeboi 02:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so he's the final appeal but my case was archive away as not needing the Arbcom's attention. Is there some place I was suppose to go before Arbcom? This to me is all quite stressful as I wasn't aware of going over any line, I guess sarcasm is bad but ban-able? In any case I wasn't warned just simply banned. I'm trying to clear my name and move on from this. Banjeboi 05:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't a matter of "not needing the Arbcom's attention"; you got ArbCom's attention, and it declined to overturn the status quo. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the only statement I got was yours stating, in part, "My initial inclination is to let the ban stand; it's not a "black mark" against Benji, but rather a recognition that his presence on that article is causing more problems than it is worth. On the other hand, if another editor were to come to the article, and do the same sort of work Benji's been doing, Mr Sanchez' stream of OTRS requests would resume, with Benji crossed off and the new editor's name written in crayon. So this isn't about Benji, but about the material itself, which either belongs or does not belong in the article, regardless of Mr Sanchez' feelings. This means the only question for Benji is, "can you continue the edit the article while respecting our BLP, NPOV, V, etc requirements?""
I've stated many times, and have demonstrated on that article, that I am more than willing to follow policies (BLP, NPOV, V, etc requirements) and sought consensus prior to introducing potentially controversial content. As for the content that I been painted as "advocating" it remains not only the crux of the subject's notability, but a current topic of discussion after my ban and wiping clean all talk page threads.
In addition, Horologium, familiar with both the article and case, commented "Short story: jpgordon's remark ... turned out to be remarkably prophetic." They note, "Aleta and I have apparently been identified as "enemies" in the most recent OTRS complaint by a Sanchez proxy[10]. Sanchez appears to be determined to dictate how his Wikipedia biography is written, with persistent attempts to whitewash well-sourced but inconvenient facts, and to emphasize non-notable current activities.[11]
I'm trying to clear my name here, I have little interest in the article and the unique path it seems to be on. Is there no place besides Jimbo I can look to for clearing my name? Banjeboi 01:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arb Com proposal

I am startled by the proposal for a sourcing arbitration board--please see my reply to Kiril on my talk page. I will be discussing it further of course somewhere in the arb com structure --probably the workshop page-- & probably elsewhere. Had you confined it to the immediate question presented by the Homeopathy articles, it would have had some justification. Please reconsider. DGG (talk) 03:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ordo Templi Orientis

Its been awhile since I've checked up on the article, and I've noticed that you removed the entire section we had for notable members. Are you adverse to the proposition that I add it back, citing each one? SynergeticMaggot (talk) 08:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you have a clean reliable source for each one, no problem. But previously there was little we'd consider a reliable source if it had appeared in any other article; mostly it was a list of people not notable or interesting in any other way except that we knew they were more or less prominent OTO members. I mean, really, I love him dearly, but who other than in the context of the OTO would know or care about Bill Heidrick? Or likewise, Ebony Anpu? We don't get to make exceptions just because the OTO doesn't publicly say anything about anyone's membership. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think I get your point now. Thanks for the response. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arrogant & intransigent

Hi, just thought you might like to know that Arrogant & Intransigent (talk · contribs) (who you blocked) appears to be the same person as 2 year investigation (talk · contribs). Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 10:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so excited!

We're going to be in the New York Times! I feel like a real celebrity now; I wonder when I'll hear from the British Prime Minister? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Retraction of a charge against Dana Ullman (the homeopathy case)

Thank you for participating in the Arb case on homeopathy, even though you have voted for banning me for a year.

Sam Blacketer also voted for this one-year ban, and in doing so, he noted serious problems from one of my seemingly erroneous edit summaries.[12] However, FT2 alerted him that my edit summaries were accurate,[13], and Sam retracted his statement. Further, PhilKnight showed good faith in retracting these same charges that he had on the Evidence page. However, because Sam felt strongly enough about the seemingly erroneous edit summary that he made a comment about them, I asked Phil if he would contact the Arb committee members who have voted in case this (false) charge influenced your opinion. [14] Instead, he has suggested that I do so. [15] If, by chance, you too were influenced by the charge of bad faith summary edits, please note that this has been proven to be inaccurate.

Finally, although I have made some errors on wikipedia, I do not feel that they are serious enough to warrant the proposed one-year ban. Due to limited space, I am unable to reply to the many other erroneous charges against me, and I therefore ask if Arb committee members have any specific questions or concerns about my participation here for which they want my reply, I urge you to simply pose these questions or concerns before placing your final vote. DanaUllmanTalk 16:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Homeowner crying for help

To be fair, there was "I kindly request information of these and any other resources regarding hardships and the related programs for the disabled." hidden in that long post. But it wasn't obvious to me either. :-( ---Sluzzelin talk 18:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Have you gotten in contact with the authorities with the CU information. Asking because Thatcher also did a check user. Rgoodermote  23:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Future tag

What do you think on the use of the future tag for projected future events. I have added the tag to Grand Egyptian Museum since it isn't scheduled to open until 2010, but another editor disagrees and removed it. Their argument is that we don't tag future events and points to several articles on future years such as 2040 that don't have it. Your third opinion would be appreciated. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think they're kinda ugly and not helpful to the article. The "current event" tag makes sense, because it's reporting on something that will be likely actively changing; but that "future museum" tag would be sitting on that article for possibly years, and really doesn't provide any more information that what's in the first sentence of the article. In general, tags should be for exceptional and un-obvious things (like, for example, Ted Kennedy in the news this week). --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hypothetical question

As an admin, I can see deleted pages. As an admin, I cannot see oversighted pages.

That said, not always are pages oversighted which are deleted. And often, I've found that no explanation/clarification is given for the oversight. In such cases, we, as admins, are often left to our own discernment to "guess" what's appropriate to undelete, or even to reveal to others. (And I prefer to "err" on the side of caution in this for, I hope, obvious reasons.)

So here's the hypothetical question.

If a user requested a page (with its entire history) to be oversighted, would merely revealing that that request was made by the user (discerned from a post on a deleted talk page) to someone requesting about the information (without stating any details about the request) be "across the line"?

(And if you feel that even this hypothetical should be, please feel free to delete/oversight/whatever.) - jc37 01:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think the fact that something was oversighted is privileged. But I'd have to think hard about the context of the request for information. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 02:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    That's roughly what I was thinking (on both counts). As I was not specifically asked myself, rather than be proactively "helpful" (which is my typical wont), I think I'll leave the request to others. Thank you very much for your insight.
    (As a side note, and I don't know if you'd consider this a "good thing" or not, but I have to admit that I do respect your opinion. In the past, I might have asked FB or NYB (sigh). So on such necessitated occasions, I may be back here asking for your insight from time to time.)
    Thanks again : ) - jc37 02:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Facial hair status

Hi Josh

What is your current facial hair configuration? This isn't made clear on your user page.

Sincerely,

A fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.142.51 (talk) 08:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

;-) lol. (From the edit summary I had to read the question and your reply.) FloNight♥♥♥ 13:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Me too, lol. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here I am in 1985, with my beard rather short for that period; I was in Tokyo trying to drum up some programming work, and had neatened up considerably for the interviews. (I didn't get the work, but I had a fun all-expenses-paid couple of weeks.) Little kids followed me on the street saying "ZZ Top! ZZ Top!" The last day for Josh of the Big Beard was in NYC on 9/11/01; my then-fiancee (we'd gotten engaged the previous day) and and I decided that perhaps it was time for an image change. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Axl

Hi. Axl (talk · contribs) left me a message indicating that his usual IP (which is shared) has been blocked by yourself. I cannot seem to find the autoblock in the log, but I was hoping if you could investigate this and reenable Axl's editing privileges (he is behind the FA lung cancer amongst many other things). JFW | T@lk 22:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate account question

Hi there Rlevse suggested I contact some arbitrators directly about this question. Could you help with this? Tim Vickers (talk) 22:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Socks

I apologise to everyone, I am sorry for socking. I would like to publicly declare, and apologise for, these accounts of socks, which should be blocked and never used again:

  • MrWP
  • SimsFan
  • Doughnuts...Mmm!
  • King Monty IV and King Monty V (alt account)
  • Connorjack (my first account)

I apologise once again, and on Jimbo and Arb Com's advice, I WILL NEVER USE SOCKS AGAIN. 92.5.91.181 (talk) 17:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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