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It would be nice if somebody would come up with a way to clean this article up a little. The formatting is icky because of the large table, but the text is useful in describing the many uses and incarnations of the HAWK. I'm not sure how to approach it, myself. Avriette 13:08, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

I'll take a look in the next few days. The existing text is basically a copy and paste of a US army site. I'll do what I normally do and split it into the following sections:

Introduction (data table on right)
Development (some of the Chronology)
History (some more of the Chronology here) - I'll also add some links to wars it's been involved in.
Description - how the system works
Variants - the different versions that exist
Users - who uses it.
See also
External links
References

Any comments ? Megapixie 01:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thank you so much for throwing yourself on that sword, mp. it is a copy and paste, as such, with some wikiformatting. at the time, i was editing a slew of wiki weapons sites, and i just didn't have time to go through this more carefully. if you would do so, you would make me ever-so-happy. xoxo, Avriette 05:20, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

This is taking me forever! I've posted a very incomplete WIP at User:Megapixie/HawkWIP. I will be making regular updates to it. I'm going on a business trip for a couple of weeks so I anticipate it will be at least a couple of weeks before it's finished. Megapixie 14:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

very happy with what you've got. the only two comments i have so far are that there are a lot of [edit]'s on the page. you may consider replacing some of the smaller sections with bullets and/or bolding. additionally, since the hawk has been more or less superceded by the patriot for antimissile and close-in antiaircraft roles, you might consider mentioning the patriot or linking to it. thanks again for your great work here. Avriette 19:21, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Interdiction Role?

That "interdiction role" stuff is absurd. Missiles are designed to kill. HAWK missiles don't arrive at their target and politely ask it to change course. Let's not clutter the articles with newspeak.--Kafziel 11:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

missiles are not all designed to kill. missiles are used for deployment of "effects" such as smoke and chaff, missiles are used to delineate distance with contrails, etc. there are huge variances in missile payloads and applications. Avriette 19:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=missile

An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.

you will note also that even the mighty Saturn V was referred to as a "missile" in its time. a missile is simply a projectile. the hawk is, well, a homing rocket. to say that all missiles are designed to kill is naive. Avriette 19:27, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

The definition you're quoting there is archaic, and does not pertain to missiles as defined by the modern military (which is the only definition that matters, since this is a military-made weapon). Chaff is deployed by artillery or rockets like the Mark 36, not by guided missiles. Even in the instance of something like the Patriot, the missile is still designed to administer a lethal amount of force; they are able to shoot down fighter planes, and have done so. Are you really arguing that a rock fired from a slingshot qualifies as a missile? Or that the HAWK is not meant to kill people? Who's being naive here?Kafziel 19:13, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, to JEnnoE, I guess I wouldn't know as much about this subject as, say, an NRA member, but I served as a 2671 in the Marines, have dealt with a great deal of intel involving HAWKs, and have never - EVER - heard the term "All Weather" used in conjunction with this. I guess that's probably to differentiate this missile from the ones that melt in the rain, huh? Kafziel 19:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

my my, we are testy. listen, i didn't make the definition up. archaic or not, that's the definition from webster.com. and yes, i am honestly arguing that a rock fired from a slingshot is a missile. that's what the word means. but that's not really the point. what i'm getting at here is that there are rockets/missiles which are not guided kill vehicles. there are meteorology rockets, as well, for example. i feel pretty strongly that the verbiage should be agnostic in that regard. as far as "all weather," I've never heard of that either. i'd like to see a source for that, as i never ran across that in any of the reading i did. kafziel, i generally don't consider the wikipedia to be a dick measuring contest, so let's keep the "well my qualifications are better than yours" arguments out-of-band, okay? Avriette 03:20, August 22, 2005 (UTC)