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AFD

Should this article have been undeleted without following the deletion review process? Level Spirit 02:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia templates

Hi— I noticed your template categorization work, so thought I'd ask the following. Since becoming involved in Wikipedia, I've mostly found myself working with templates and soon found Category:Wikipedia templates. I don't find this category particularly inviting, however, not least because its top level already looks pretty convoluted. Instead, the sort of thing I had in mind is here. It can also be frustrating looking for templates and/or categories that are tucked away in "navigational boxes", "infoboxes" and other such categories; I'm wondering just how user-friendly this classification by template design really is. Do you have any views on all this? Sardanaphalus 12:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Once I've found the kind of category I'm after, I guess I've found it a bit tiresome to have to delve into infobox/navigation subcategories as well as look through the templates in the parent category. I suppose I'd rather scan through one longer list and find out by clicking whether or not a template is infobox or navigation style. First, though, I'm thinking the more subject-orientated approach (the example appearance I linked) would need to be implemented. If I began to do this, do you think or know anyone who would mind? Sardanaphalus 12:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you mean about subdivision, whether infobox/navigation or another way, and suspect that ultimately it probably is a good thing. (One improvement might be if the names of these categories remained consistent and also used the word "templates", i.e. "...navigation templates" and "...infobox templates".) Is it possible to have Wikipedia stop people placing templates in a parent category rather than an infobox/navigation/inline/bar-type/etc category? That might be useful, assuming there isn't something I haven't thought of. I'll look around the innards of Wikipedia templates some more and try creating the User:Sardanaphalus/"Wikipedia templates" page appearance when I've a bit more time to devote to it. Thanks for your speedy reply! Sardanaphalus 12:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I recently discovered Wikipedia:Village pump, so do you think Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is as good a place as any to ask about this "category control" idea? I have to go soon so sorry if no further reply for a while. Thanks for your time. Sardanaphalus 12:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

No content in Category:Warcraft character infobox templates

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Mitsubishi Motors templates

Please consider recreating and repopulating this category. Despite your comments that "4 templates isn't enough for one cat", it served several purposes (not least of all keeping the parent category more organized).

Further, from what I can see at WP:OCAT, there's no fixed number (the exact words are "avoid categories that will never have more than a few members"), and past discussions seem to disagree with your judgement. According to User:jc37, "It was determined from several CfD discussions that "4" was the minimum number for a stand-alone category."[1] Further, the implication at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization/Archive 5#Question about Small with no potential for growth is that it's acceptable for small categories to exist where they tidy parent categories (see User:Dr. Submillimeter's comment that "I really do not see the problem with having small categories that are part of a larger scheme".

Finally, the existence of the Mitsubishi Motors Australia and Mitsubishi Motors Europe articles could follow Mitsubishi Motors North America, which uses the {{Mitsubishi Motors North America timeline}}, That's two more regional timelines, and the existence of this document (see pp.26–27) allows for a (sourced) third timeline, of the Japanese market; seven potential templates in all, a healthier number, and potential for growth.

Regards, --DeLarge 22:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I'm kind of puzzled why you removed Mitsubishi Motors vehicles from Category:Automotive company navigational boxes. I could understand it if you were restricting the category only to automotive corporate structure templates, but the vast majority of the templates in the category seem to be for vehicle models, which the MMC template is (see {{Chrysler}} and {{Chrysler LLC}} for an example of both, but the majority are for cars only). --DeLarge 12:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

deletion of template

hi, i've merged the Template:MRT-LRT_locator_map template with Template:MRT_locator_map and subsequently updated the pages that used the old template. wonder if you could delete delete the old template (as it's linked to one of your pages) cause i'm not really sure about the process :)- oahiyeel ^talk 18:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

oops. just saw that you're on a wikibreak. i'll look and ask around :) - oahiyeel ^talk 18:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

help!

I am trying to add to the Infobox World Series Expanded a section to list future Hall of Famers. I think my syntax in the Infobox looks ok, but when I try to add names to the Infobox on 1975 World Series, it isn't turning out correctly. Can you help? Thanks. Kingturtle (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Logical nand protection removed

I know this may be stupid but just wanted you to know that I removed the protection at Logical nand. It's been almost two years and I think the vandalism is over by now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Updating portal links on the Main Page

Hi Woohookitty, I see you do some editing on the Main Page, so I thought I would ask you if you are interested in supporting/making an update to the portal links there. The current discussion is at Portals on the main page. It boils down to updating the Main Page to reflect the consensus updates to the navigation bar for portals. The change involves switching from links to specific portals of varying quality to links to the major sections of the portals list page. This update resolves a long-standing and growing dissatisfaction with the narrow focus on a few portals, many of questionable quality. The proposed navigation scheme synchronizes the Main Page and navigation bar with the structure and inclusivity of the complete portals list. Thanks for your consideration. RichardF (talk) 02:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Ice hockey navigational boxes

Hello Woohookitty. Please see Category talk:Ice hockey navigational boxes. I have left some questions there. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 12:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Check that page again.. I just asked a dumb but important question! Flibirigit (talk) 07:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WAIT.. another question~ !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flibirigit (talk • contribs) 07:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:At the Gates

May I ask how you made the v/d/e white? I need to make some edits to Template:Extreme metal as the v/d/e aren't visible. Thank you. Thundermaster^{Thundermaster's Talk} 15:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Thundermaster^{Thundermaster's Talk} 18:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

russia 1998

Yes my friend you are right i have made mistake Its World Championship for Men 1998

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportin (talk • contribs) 10:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Unprotection request

Hello. Can you please unprotect Saw V? It is currently a full protected redirect, although I believe that the film has now enough references and sources to create a valid stub, for the time being. If you look at the sub page I created at User:Squishy Vic/Saw V, you can see basically what the article will consist of if you would please unprotect it. I know this isn't exactly the place to ask, but I was looking through the recentchanges for an online Administrator that I could request this too.

Thank you for your time and considering this request. I also know the page (User:Squishy Vic/Saw V) is short, practically a stub, however I will note there are also a lot smaller stubs throughout Wikipedia and this, I believe, is of enough importance. Thanks. --Victor (talk) 08:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Billy Jones (Poet)

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That was about 15,000 edits ago, Mr. Bot. :-D Don't remember editing it. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

medal template category

Just so you know for the future. When adding a generic information to the medal templates, such as a category, you can do it with one edit by adding it to Template:MedalRelatedTemplates. This saves a little time and means, if it needs to be changed later, it does not require every one of the templates to be edited. :) David D. (Talk) 13:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, just wish i had caught you before you got going. Good job though. David D. (Talk) 03:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you added the category but now I notice a flaw in said strategy, the cat is only for Olympic but the MedalRelatedTemplate is also included on the old templates

{{MedalOlympic}} - deprecated (use {{MedalCompetition}} instead)

{{MedalParalympic}} - deprecated (use {{MedalCompetition}} instead)

{{MedalWorldChampionships}} - deprecated (use {{MedalCompetition}} instead)

{{MedalCommonwealthGames}} - deprecated (use {{MedalCompetition}} instead)

{{MedalEuropeanChampionships}} - deprecated (use {{MedalCompetition}} instead)

I was going to delete the last three but the problem is that they are still used despite the fact that {{MedalCompetition}} is the desired template to use. Conequently three of those three templates are now included in the Olympic template cat. David D. (Talk) 04:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I just thought of a better idea. We should just remove the Template:MedalRelatedTemplates from the deprecated templates. David D. (Talk) 05:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Kurt Leyman

Hello. I have a developing situation with Kurt. One or both of us may soon hit 3RR. We are tussling over a reference he found for the Gustave Whitehead article. He added it, then removed it. I listened to it (a brief National Public Radio item)and found it extremely relevant to the article and put it back in. He removed it again; I restored it. I see that he has a history of blocks and 3rr violations, and ignoring Talk pages. This is not even a content change; it's a genuine reference. Any ideas how to resolve this? Thanks. DonFB (talk) 01:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Nanomaterials navbox

I would like to bring back the Nanomaterials navbox (Template:Nanomat), but since it was previously deleted I thought I should ask you first. The nanotechnology articles have dedicated navboxes for each of the subfields, but the nanomaterials navbox was deleted about six months ago after a user was a little too bold and tried to merge all the navboxes into one without proposing it on the talk page first. I'd like to recreate an updated version of the nanomaterials navbox and I wanted to check whether that is permissible or whether there is some process I need to be aware of. Thanks! Antony-22 (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I almost forgot, see this conversation (bottom of page) and the lack of objections here. Antony-22 (talk) 23:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Antony-22 (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

notable announcers

Hey WHK - I noticed you moved List of announcers in English-speaking countries to List of notable announcers in English-speaking countries. I wanted to point you to the WP:MOSLIST guideline, which guides against the word "notable" in the article title (while allowing it - nay, expecting it - in the article lead). In fact, we are down to only a handful of list articles left to have their "notable" removed (a notabilectomy?) I am going to move the article back, but I wanted to let you know here on your talk before doing so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Birmingham Bulls (ECHL)

Please see Talk:Birmingham Bulls (ECHL) regarding speedy proposal of a professional team. Flibirigit (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

New cats.

If we have Category:Insects navigational boxes, should it not go in Category:Animals navigational boxes? And if we have Category:Insects navigational boxes, should we have Category:Mammals navigational boxes and Category:Reptiles navigational boxes etc.? Eh, just leave it and let Woohookitty worry about it. Oh wait, that's you. Never mind. :) --Old Hoss (talk) 10:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

CFR comment

You opposed my cfr proposal. I posted a comment to your opposition there. Please respond. Thanks! Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 8#United States congressional. —Markles 06:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I've since posted a reply to your reply there. —Markles 17:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

State-level county navboxes

22-Dec-2007: I am concerned about using overly-long category names, but I see the confusing names. Perhaps "Category:United States state-level counties templates" would be acceptable, with just those 50 state-counties templates for now. However, long term, there will be more groups of 50 templates, each, in that style. Meanwhile, I don't want to mix into the thousands of individual county (or parish) templates. A reason for having a separate category is to check for completion when re-editing category members, by viewing just those that are being edited. All this work is intended to reduce the state-navbox overlinking that is currently linking all counties, in each state, into perhaps 40,000 articles that don't need wikilinks to each county/city (etc.), generating more than 5 million unneeded wikilinks. -Wikid77 (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Chicago Cubs season game log templates

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Vandalizm

If you look here you can see User:Gscshoyru vandalizing a subpage of yours as he is adding red links and categorized pages. 172.165.79.155 (talk) 01:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what the page is. I wasn't adding them, either, I was simply replacing them as has been done before. Gscshoyru (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Everything is good. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure Woohookitty? Because he keeps adding red links and categorized pages to this page. 172.166.222.171 (talk) 18:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes I am sure. :) --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 23:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations ...

... and may G-d have mercy on your soul.[2] *chuckle* :-) Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Universities and colleges

You created Category:United States universities by state navigational boxes today. Firsly, why? Secondly, not all of them are considered "university". For instance when you moved Template:Public Colleges and Universities in Mississippi into your new category.. you'll notice on that Mississippi template that it lists 2-year junior colleges that aren't universities. As a result, I have reverted your change to the Mississippi template. Unless there was some sort of category reorganization discussion that took place that you can refer me to, these should be left where they were in Category:United States education navigational boxes. -- ALLSTARecho 17:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm more inclined to say they should stay where they are but be broken down by state sub cats in the original cat. From what I understand in your reply, there will be 2 cats now which seems redundant. I don't think a cat can be "overpopulated".. if an article belongs in that cat, then that's where it goes. There's hundreds, if not a thousand, university/college articles on Wikipedia that use the template in some form or fashion. Maybe I'm just not understanding what it is you are trying to do here.. -- ALLSTARecho 03:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Writing tools

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Re-Categorizing

What was the point of re-categorizing Category:Georgia colleges and universities navigational boxes to Category:Georgia universities and colleges navigational boxes when the first was already populated and the later was "just created"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thejerm (talk • contribs) 03:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Formula One automobiles by season navigational boxes

Hi Woohookitty. I notice your recent creation of Category:Formula One automobiles by season navigational boxes. May I suggest changing the name to "Category:Formula One cars by season navigational boxes", since "Formula One car" tends to be the more commonly used term. When I say "change the name" of the category, what I'm actually suggesting is to create a new category called Category:Formula One cars by season navigational boxes and {{db-author}} the original one. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 10:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Just thought it was better to make the suggestion now, before you'd updated all the articles, rather than later. Regards, DH85868993 (talk) 10:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet possiblity

User singsalive looks an awful lot like the old banned user Superdeng. See edits and talk for Operation Bagration. Happy new year ;) regards, DMorpheus (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of "Dyson the ball"

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question. maybe you can help...

In regards to Template:USPoliticalDivisions, I want to use this template to work off of to create a different template for a different project. However, when I click on edit, I don't see any access to edit the links to States. Where do I go to see the complete editable version of this template? Kingturtle (talk) 14:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I needed that template to create Template:2008Demprimaries. Thanks again! Kingturtle (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

I won't be around to closed TfD for a couple of days. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 01:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 January 9

Hi, you closed the discussion on Template:Infobox Voivodeship as a delete, but the template still seems to exist. Was this a mistake?--Kotniski (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Rail transport book citation templates‎

Thanks for this, much better than what I had set up. One query about your modifications to the template piping. I had put a {{DEFAULTSORT}} in to sort by auther, whereas you have added <PAGENAME>. I am puzzled as to hy. --Stewart^(talk) 11:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Chicken strips

How about a disambig instead of just a redirect? I doubt many readings will think to type in all of Chicken strips (motorcycle tires) to find the article their looking for. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Catch (2008)

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Category:Chicago Landmarks navigational boxes

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I missed this edit. I spoke too soon.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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thanks

thanks for adding cats to my North Dakota project. Over the next few weeks, I'm going to be doing all the states. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 13:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: North Dakota presidential primary navigational boxes...I am fine with that cat title. I foresee someone might have issue with not including the word caucuses in the title. Should it be North Dakota presidential primary and caucus navigational boxes ? Kingturtle (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Nodoka Miyazaki

Can you take a look at the page history of the Nodoka Miyazaki article and do something about it? I've requested page protection for it on the WP:RFPP page, but until now there is still no response. Is the activity enough for semi-protection. If not, can you block 198.85.213.96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)? He's the primary culprit who posted a paragraph using weasel words and unsourced "fan response."

BTW, thanks for doing the favor and removing the "Notable Contestants" section in the American Idol (season 7) article. I know that section is not very appropriate unless one or two of those listed really become like William Hung. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 06:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, will you put this article in your watchlist so you can proceed responding to this user just in case he strikes again? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs

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John Camaterus

I noticed that you moved John Camaterus. Can you move it to Patriarch John X of Constantinople for me? All of the pages in [3] are in that format and it does not violate the known by other name rule. Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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Template:Daijō-kan

I don't quite understand your recent edit to this template:

|}<_noinclude>[_[Category:"Politics of" templates|Japan|Daijō-kan]_]<_/noinclude>

I was the editor whose error you've corrected; and I would want to avoid making a similar mistake in future. When you have time, can you take a moment to explain briefly?

FYI: In case you wondered, I added the superflous "_" so the text of your edit would be readily seen here. --Tenmei (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Kiev/Kyiv move request

Hi Woohookitty. About your decision to end the move request for the article Kiev: I am confused. I thought most of the debate was on which name was most commonly used in English. Several editors in support of the move offered evidence for Kyiv being more common, with more to be found at a page dedicated to the naming dispute. Only two editors opposing the move offered evidence for Kiev being the more common name. I can see that there were more editors opposing than supporting, but I don't understand the second part of your reasoning: how was Kiev shown to be the most commonly used English name? Could you explain that to me please? Thanks,60.242.0.245 (talk) 12:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for updating those articles' category as above. I guess I must've been in a verbose mood when setting up the original category! Best wishes, Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Isotope tables templates

Hi,

that category was a really good idea, thanks! --Quilbert (talk) 10:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Novak Djokovic page move

Someone reverted your page move. Can they just do that?--HJensen, talk 14:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Please reinstate your page move. It has been a long time since I've seen clearer consensus on a naming issue.Erudy (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

And it still amazes me that a non-admin can just undo the move and casually call the proposal a "waste of time".--HJensen, talk 22:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

So is anything happening with this? I am presuming there is a course of action that can be followed, or can anyone just undo every successful move request that they personally disagree with at any time? Horsesforcorses (talk) 23:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Vickers aircraft

Hi, are you going to create a separate navbox template for the civilian aircraft in this template which you have recently categorised as military? Many thanks. Nimbus227 (talk) 15:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Further to Vickers aircraft - thank you for re-cating all the aviation nav boxes - but please note that most of the new cats do not make any sense - I cant find any discussion of this in the aircraft or aviation projects is their any reason why they cant all be reverted back? Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 12:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that you spent a lot of time on the changes but did you have a concensus for the changes and did you ask anybody at the aircraft project for help or advice? Not sure the division into civilian and military aircraft for example helps when nearly all of the boxes are in both cats. Why have a Experimental aircraft navigational boxes cat? MilborneOne (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Aircraft navbox categories

Hi Woohookitty; I saw what happened the other night with your attempt to categories these navboxes, and I'd like to thank you, both for your effort, and for having the good grace to voluntarily revert what you'd done once some of the fundamental problems had been pointed out.

That having been said, I've noticed the work that you do in categorising navboxes generally, and wonder whether you'd still be interested in categorising these in a fashion that's useful to and compatible with the way that they're actually used in aircraft articles? I fully understand if you're fed up and want to walk away from this area, but if you're still willing to help out, please leave me a note. Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 01:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Bleach

FYI, you omitted to remove the template on Category:Bleach (manga). HTH. 70.55.84.253 (talk) 09:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Dem template categories

Hi again. I'm finally getting around to trying to do something about the template categories and have just posted this at Categories for Discussion (with trepidation). I was going to ask what you reckoned first, but thought I may as well post and be damned so you could add comments there directly. Hopefully that's a good idea. Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Villarreal

Woohoo kitty! You recently concluded the page move of Villarreal, Castellón de la Plana from Villarreal/Vila-real, despite the consensus was for a move to Villarreal. You state your reason for adding the province name as a disambiguation is because Villarreal is a DAB-page. Might I correct you and say the DAB-page is at Villarreal (disambiguation) and that Villarreal is a redirect to the DAB-page. Shouldn't Villarreal, Castellón de la Plana be at Villarreal with a hat link to Villarreal (disambiguation)? If you look at Villarreal (disambiguation) you'll see it's comprised of three people, a football club, and two other places with different spellings. Since you're an admin and the RM is closed in favour of Villarreal it would be an easy thing to do to move Villarreal, Castellón de la Plana to Villarreal over the redirect. Cheers! Sebisthlm (talk) 09:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Woohoo, you're fast! No problem. It's just that disambiguating by adding (comma province/state) is much more common in the US than in Europe. Have a nice day! Sebisthlm (talk) 10:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Last Name

His last name is ENTIRELY notable and warrants mention. As does the fact that he goes by only his first name. Your argument about Mandisa and Trenyce is without merit, as Mandisa's entire (first, middle and last) names are listed ont he season page. EVERY person on wikipedia who goes by one name has their last name listed in their bios. That he goes by ONLY one name is entirely notable, but his last name is ALSO notable and warrants inclusion. The way I did it is accepted across the whole of wikipedia. Batman2005 (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Chesterfield1237.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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Backlog

Hi, there is a backlog at the SSP page and i was just hoping you can take a look at this case i made, [4]. Seems no one has yet looked into it, no one i have contacted has been of help, and the user has used yet another I.P. as a vandalism-only account. One of the users IPs has just vandalized multiple page again and i am seriously getting tired of having to revert all of his mess everyday. Please look into it. -- LaNicoya •Talk• 22:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Novak Djokovic

A move war has started now with one reverting the name back to your decision, and one now reverting it back to the Serbian latin version (I don't think those moving are admins, but I may be wrong). Maybe you can have a look at it? Thanks. --HJensen, talk 22:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

American Idol pictures that you asked about.

Yes, I took all those pictures. Or, at least they were taken with my camera. I'm actually in most of them but I edited myself out of course. So you'll see the same brown jacket in all but one or two. Anyways, I was a guest of a friend who works for Fox. And I gladly release those images into the public domain. I was guessing the reason there weren't many pics of them was because of copyright problems. But I don't work for any media organization and I don't work for any of the contestants. I'm just a guy who was at a party. I'll be posting a pic for Josiah Leming, too by the way. I just got back from attending his first professional performance. I don't work for him, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianbarney (talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC) --Brianbarney (talk) 08:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Way too long!

Woohookitty, great to hear from you! It has been too long for sure, way too long. I hope you have been well. I continue to plug along. A little less active the last couple of months but still around.

I can't fault your reasoning on moving the article it all. I was torn between completeness and brevity. There is also the issue of whether it should be 2007 Texas Longhorns football suspensions or 2007 Texas Longhorns football suspensions (no "s" on Longhorns). Depending on context, the University seems to flip flop on that. For instance they may say "The Texas Longhorns have a game tonight." but "Texas Longhorn games are fun to watch." For now, I will just create the other redirect.

Again, very good to hear from you! Johntex\^talk 10:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD

Got a second?

I went to delete Category:Works with auric section because the user has added {{db-g7}}, but I realized that category deletion is a little different than article deletion.

When you get a moment, would you point me towards directions on *how* to delete categories? I looked over the guides and pages I could find, but nothing was very concrete or helpful. Many thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

There isn't a bot to do that? And do you use the same {{at}} - {{ab}}, or is there a different set? Sorry - still a bit new at this :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate it! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Sex and the law

Why was the category Category:Sex and the Law speedily deleted? Just curious, since I had nominated it for speedy renaming for the caps issue. ... Thx, Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Chesterfield1237.jpg)

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Do you do any work at all for your employer?

I notice that you say on your home page that you edit Wikipedia during your work day, and that you do hundreds of edits per day. I'm wondering if you actually do any work in the office at all, and if you feel it is a bad value proposition for your employer to pay you for work when you are editing wikipedia pages all day? Just curious. Swism (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

AI Pics

Thanks for the note. - Holiday56 (talk) 11:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

All right, but I believe each of the contestants deserve a picture. Last season, the top 24 each had a picture next to their name, then months later, they removed them all for some apparent reason. I was not the uploader, but it's just a bit ridiculous. I guess I'll just have to make my own screencaps.

EncyclopediaDramatica was right all along.James D. (Cinemaniac86) 16:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Inane

Any idea what Template:Inane is used for? Your userspace is the only backlink and its not a subst'd template. Can it go to TfD? MBisanz ^talk 20:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: um

Because you deleted my template without permission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Togepi 987 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

please explain rationale for your decision to delete Template:irrel

Hello, as I read the deletion discussion, I do not see a concensus for deletion nor any specific arugments that deleting the template would fulfil / follow Wikipedia policies or guidelines. Can you explain what factors most influenced your decision to conclude the answer should be 'delete'? TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please can you do this. This decision appears rather bizarre to me. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure how something where 9 of 14 expressed their opinion for delete can be "bizaare". Generally, templates such as that should not be around unless there is a strong reason to have them. We have very cluttered articles anyway when it comes to tags. So we need good reason to add new tags such as this one. And honestly, I just don't see it. It's much easier to handle things such as this on talk pages. Adding any tag that ends with "?" comes off as aggressive, so it could add to edit wars. I just don't see any very good reasons for it. There are just much better ways of handling such situations. Plus, as I said, 9 of 14 is a good rough consensus. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 23:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It's generally appreciated if you give some reasoning for decisions like that. I think it was bizarre since there were no decent arguments against it, and it wasn't really meaningful consensus since it was IRCed, and the people voting against it were generally non-chattering editors likely to use it. I.e. eastern Europeans, who created it, would use it and it'd help them. There in Nonshouldbeland it would actually be useful, as they said. Obviously no deity forces you to explain your reasoning in the close, but it would have been appreciated, esp. since the IRC thing can arouse suspicion. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure if the IRC thing really should be that big of a consideration. The one thing you can say is that the users that chimed in on it are some of our most experienced users. Anyway, if you really feel like I'm in error here, you can go to deletion review. I'm not infallible. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 23:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

we obviously have different views about 'concensus'. I see 6 of 14, nearly half, opposing deletion. I have seen articles where the voice of one editor against the voice of seven or eight was considered enough to be called 'lack of concensus'.TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your reasoning. My math was indeed a bit off.TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your claim that the decision being made primarily by IRCers indicates "that the users that chimed in on it are some of our most experienced users" shows that you lost touch a little bit to what Wikipedia is and what it isn't. The chimers-in being IRCerc shows only one thing that is the users who chat about Wikipedia (instead of writing in) tend to be overrepresented in the discussion. Further, your having your own opinion on the matter, as you expressed above, indicates that you should not have closed the discussion yourself. More, if you count only editors who actually edit articles among those who expressed their opinions on the template, you would see something like 50/50 and in any case 8 vs 5 is anything but "rough consensus". Of course DRV is an option but instead of playing the process games, I simply request that you leave it to undo your closure and leave it to an admin who does not have a formed in advance opinion AND is significantly involved in content writing to deduce the outcome out of this discussion. Last but not least, any contentious close requires elaboration. I would appreciate, if any further discussion of this went on onwiki no matter how tempting for some who see it, to turn to an offline diffless commenting on Wikipedia issues and Wikipedia editors. The last comment is in no way directed at the owner of this page. TIA, --Irpen 05:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not explaining this again. If you disagree with my decision, take it to deletion review. I think I've said all I need to on this matter. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That's of course clear. But you've got to explain your decision. Best thing you can do is to simply withdraw and let a person who is both uninvolved and has no advance opinion on the matter to close it. But if you insist, at least please add a rationale to your decision at the TfD page. That way it is easier to discuss this all at DRV if forcing those who disagree with your closure go to DRV is what you are absolutely inclined to do. Thanks, --Irpen 05:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I relisted it. I do wonder at times why I bother. Almost guarantee you that the next admin will see it the same way. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

irrel

Looks like you made the right decision. Could have done DRV. :) Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Idol series/Assessment log

Soooo I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Idol series/Assessment log before realizing that Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Idol Series articles by quality log already existed and happens to be the exact same thing... It would seem rather silly to go through the whole deletion discussion process for a page like that. Could I just get that evidence of my momentary stupidity erased without any debate about it? >_> MissMJ (talk) 17:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:ArkansasStateBasketballCoach

Hi,

You were apparently the deleting admin on this template, which was deleted partially because it was ruled that it could easily be recreated if it were viable in the future. There is some increased viability here, especially because the coaching job has gotten some attention with a recent hire that's about to be made, but it's actually not easily recreated - in order to get the information, I had to contact the university's sports information department, and I'd really not like to have to go through all of that, especially since universities are slow enough to respond to media members, not to mention Wikipedia editors. Is there any way you can bring this one back for me? --fuzzy510 (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

You're a saint. Thanks a ton! --fuzzy510 (talk) 00:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Template:Horta Oest. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks, I've actually been to Wisconsin several times - believe it or not. I've to Madison, Beaver Dam (...), and of course Wisconsin Dells - Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Could you do me a favor?

Wow, why hasn't it been put up for deletion yet? Until he gets a record deal there seems to be little point in having a page up, especially one that's not so well written... Doesn't it go against the "no-one but the Top 12 gets a page unless they have a record deal and are notable later" agreement? MissMJ (talk) 14:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

HAH! Combat pay. We can only dream. MissMJ (talk) 15:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Ayah! Does that mean his article is not going to get deleted? -_- MissMJ (talk) 00:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Radio templates

Hi again. Glad to see you "KBO" ("Keep B*ggering On", according to a movie I saw about Winston Churchill). Anyway, I didn't intend to leave this category uncategorized but found it kind of worked out that way -- but, your passing by it has reminded me that I wasn't settled about it. Since the number of "Radio technology" templates is small (probably still small even if/when joined by templates currently uncategorized) perhaps a...

Radio templates (under Art and culture templates)
- Radio technology templates (under Applied science and technology templates)

...structure might be best?
Meanwhile, lured by its promise of bot-assisted moving, I slapped a {{category redirect}} on Category:Applied science and technology navigation templates to see if its contents would be moved to Category:Applied science and technology navbox templates. I'd almost given up hope but now see that "RussBot" has come to the rescue! So I'm going to start working my way through all the other variously-named "navigation/navigational templates/boxes" categories redirecting them toward a standard "navbox templates" name (to match "infobox/userbox/ambox templates" names). Templates. Named. Names. Templates. Templates. Names. Coffee. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Interesting to hear that it was aviation land where you got slapped on the wrist: my one foray there to date left me with a distinct impression of "ownership".

It's a first thought, but I'm wondering how wise in the long-run it might be to delete categories redirected to a standard "navbox template" name... different people in different areas (like aviation land...) may've got too used to a particular name, so might feel put out if/when it appears in red. On the other hand, trying to get people used to a standard "navbox template" name might be precisely what needs to be done. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Carly Smithson bio picture

I noticed you deleted the last picture that was put on Carly Smithson's page. RamieleMalubayFan just uploaded another picture of Carly claiming they are the author of the picture and permission is granted under Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License.

Unless Fan is Timothy White or Fox, they are not the author of the picture see [5]. I am coming to you because I have never dealt with an image deletion request and I was not sure which way to go because I believe it is a copyright violation, but they do claim to be the author and grant permission. Any advice in how I might handle this problem in the future will be a big help. Aspects (talk) 21:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I start reading about the image policies here my eyes start to glaze over and I want to stop caring about images not being used right. I was going to try and look for some free use pictures to use of the American Idol contestants missing pictures from this season but I could only find a not so great picture of Joanne. This one of Carly I knew was her picture from the top 24 photo shoot. Aspects (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate templates

In perusing Category:Attribution templates, I see that we have {{NHC}} and {{PD-NHC}}. These would seem to be redundant with each other. —Life of Riley (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Now I see why there are two templates: {{NHC}} is a table, which prevents the user from putting it into a list of references, and centers it on the page. {{PD-NHC}} is simply a line of text, which makes it suitable for use in a bulleted list. I don't see why the former needs to be within a table. It is just one line of text. —Life of Riley (talk) 01:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Army User Rank Badges

What is the exact justification for turning U.S. Army User Rank Badges into a template? That top page is not a template, even though the badges on it are. I intend this page to pull together, and display in one place, the rank badges, which in turn are for Wikipedians to place on their user pages if they so desire. The whole page will never be used as a template on someone's page.

The whole idea is to make these badges easy to find, but not to have that whole page be a badge/template itself. Now, unless I hear a good justification for keeping that a template, I'm going to move it back to the way it was. I am open to placing that on the US Army enlisted ranks page, or at least linking to it. Oh, and just so you know, I'm working on similar pages for the other services, so whatever we decide, I'll apply to those as well. Nickersonl (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Got your comment on my page. I'm a step ahead of you - I've already discussed moving these pages and badges to the US military portal, and am currently thinking of how best to add them. Nickersonl (talk) 12:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:2nd chance

Template:2nd chance has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Stifle (talk) 12:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

{{Infobox Law enforcement agency}} categorisation?

Hi W,

As you are probably aware I am a relatively new editor, and {{Infobox Law enforcement agency}} is my first template.

My question is, why the change you made to the template's categorisation? If anything I would have taken out politics and left government in? I am not really fussed either way, but should you have put some rationale on Template talk:Infobox Law enforcement agency? Cheers. Peet Ern (talk) 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Template deletion

Confused Is there an oustanding reason why you deleted some of these templates but not others? -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense That's what I figured. Thanks. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Help

Hi

What do you think about these template (french army box) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ? Is it possible to erase these boxes from article with only argument ugly box or uncollapsed?

TfD changes

Well, I made the change since the two newest days were missing. I did not know that there was a bot. But it is obvious that the bot was not doing it's job if the new days were not appearing. I'm not sure what the solution is. Maybe it needs to be on the talk page for TfD. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Why did you do this?

I'm curious as to why you made this template a redirect? Gary King (talk) 07:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Russian PMs Template

I ask you to protect this page as my version --SeNeKa (talk) 10:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The truth is born in dispute. I can not tolerate any protected incorrect data in Wikipedia. The my edits is not a truth distortion, but is a clarification. That I corrected? I corrected the design of template, added data of RSFSR's PMs since 1917 (and not 1990). And All. ALL. The old template, widelyn't beatiful, in red background color (likely taken from the coat of arms), and narrow blocks is used in modern Wikipedia? Ha. Ha-ha-ha. Moreover, there is a variety of design styles, and any incorrect data. Do you understand? Take off the lock. --SeNeKa (talk) 11:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:City templates and navbox template categories

Hi again, thanks for the alert about the above. Standby please; I'll get back to you in sec. Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Arrg, sorry, I think I'm getting confused. Where is the "Category:[something] navbox templates" that has a "Category:[something] infobox templates" category in it? Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's meant to contain only navbox templates (with the possible exceptions) but that isn't also intended to mean it can't/shouldn't contain infobox/ambox/stub/etc categories. It looks like that's not sufficiently clear in the {{template category}} note, so shall I rephrase that? Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem is that I haven't quite redirected these categories at the right moment and/or order, plus the notes probably do need to be made more visible/explicit. (I saw, however, that they were eating up space on the page.) The idea is that named "navbox templates" categories should ultimately become redundant, removing a layer from the system. Give me a while to work through what you've spotted (I may have to log off for a while in a moment) and I should be able to get on top of it. But thanks for spotting it! Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

If all the navigational (navbox) templates on topic T are in "Category:T templates", either with one or two infobox/stub/etc templates as well (indexed ...| ]] / ...|µ]] / etc respectively) or "Category:T infobox templates", "Category:T ambox templates", etc (indexed ...| ]]), then there should be no need for a "Category:T navbox templates". If a bunch or bunches of navbox templates relating to T belong together, they can be subcategories of "Category:T templates" and indexed accordingly. For instance, the category listing for "T templates" could look like:

Subcategories
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• T infobox templates

A
• A-load-of-T-subtopic templates

M
• More-grouped-T-subtopic templates


Pages in category "T templates"
-------------------------------

A
• Template:A T-topic template
• Template:Another T-topic template

T
• Template:Third T-topic template

Y
• Template:Yet another T-topic template

µ
• Template:T-topic-stub-template

Does that make sense? Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, why stop your good work with template categories? Unless I'm missing something, the only time when a "Category:X templates" wouldn't contain only navbox templates is if there are also only one or two X infobox/stub/etc templates, i.e. not really enough to merit their own "Category:X infobox/stub/etc templates" page -- unless you think infobox/etc templates should always have their own categories (even if each might only contain one or two templates) to minimize possible confusion? Sardanaphalus (talk) 06:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you know I have to logoff for a while now, but look forward to your further thoughts/counsel. Sardanaphalus (talk) 06:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for more food for thought. I suppose what I'm thinking is that if "navbox templates" categories were used and a topic T only had navbox templates associated with it, its category listing would look pretty redundant:

Category:T templates

Subcategories
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• T navbox templates

But, you say, in that case don't bother with the "T templates" category; just go straight to "T navbox templates". However, that would probably mean that T's all-navbox templates would become less accessible, because their "T navbox templates" category would most likely sit within a "S navbox templates" category (where T is a subtopic of S) and so wouldn't be visible on an "S templates" category page, whereas a "T templates" category would (assuming it had been correctly categorized!). I should be able to add a straightforward real example in a while, once I come across another one. Sardanaphalus (talk) 21:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's an example of what I was trying to describe. It's not heavy-duty but I hope makes the point: Category:Heraldry navigational boxes. Currently, it's only accessible via Category:History and events navigation templates, which means that unless you already know it's there or happen to see it as a search result, it's effectively hidden because there's no higher-level Category:Heraldry templates. But, if you're using navbox template categories and create Category:Heraldry templates, its only member would be Category:Heraldry navigational boxes! See what I mean? Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I've mostly been working in the Applied science/Arts and culture sections and it's more common than you may think. But, so I understand correctly -- and before I start undoing the "X navbox templates" → "X templates" redirections I've made -- you don't think it's a good idea to make "X templates" catgories navbox categories by default? Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Would appreciate your thoughts about the paragraph above as presently I feel in limbo about template categories. Thanks. Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay. That's a good point, although as topics become more general (such as "United States topics") I'd expect them to have more subcategories and templates. If there seemed to be too many subcategories/templates in one category, I guess I'd look for groups of these subcategories and then place them in categories named after these groups.

So, ultimately, I'm not sure if too many subcategories/templates in a general-sounding template category would be a problem. However, you seem keen to retain the navbox template categories, so I'll do the same and start undoing the redirections from navbox categories to parent categories that I've made. Meanwhile, I'll resume creating "...navbox templates" categories and redirecting "...navigation[al] [boxes/templates/etc]" categories to them for the sake of consistent naming. Does all that sound okay? Thanks for your thoughts. Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks for remaining upbeat. Whatever happens later, there's AWB and bots to help tweak things. Just wish they were also intelligent enough to categorize the templates in the first place -- so I want to make sure that whatever I do, it's working with your superhero efforts to do precisely that. I'll re-navbox some categories now, then more later, and will let you know once I've caught up on them (the ones I'd redirected). Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. Am about to break off for a while from reactivating and creating navbox template categories in Applied science and technology templates. I dunno... When you're moving templates from Category:X templates to Category:X navbox templates (I'm assuming that, like me, it's navbox templates you're handling most of the time), don't you think life would be easier if any category "X templates" contained navbox categories by default (and then subcategories like "X infobox templates", etc) rather than just the subcategories "X navbox templates", "X infobox templates", etc...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

(Hehe, we messaged each other at the same time. Answer to your q is yes, sort of: User:Sardanaphalus/Navbox template categories)

Okay. "I'll be back" later to plug on. Have "fun" deciphering the above. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Must go soon, but: Don't see how merging Sports navigational boxes with Sports templates would produce any more of a goo than is already there (but I grant I may be wrong!!). If you like, I'll trying simulating the merge on a page, see what happens, and report back. Gotta go for now. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_6#Userbox_categories

I think I addressed your concerns at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_6#Userbox_categories. Please take a look. GregManninLB (talk) 16:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Cat:Sports navigational boxes

Hi Woohookitty. I noticed your comment on Sardanaphalus' talk page about hoping a friendly bot would come along and recategorise the contents of Category:Sports navigational boxes. Have you used AWB? I find it saves heaps of time when recategorising articles. I estimate that using AWB, it would be possible to recategorise the articles in Category:Sports navigational boxes in less than 10 minutes. DH85868993 (talk) 09:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I suspect you might have to wait several days for a bot to come visiting - I think that's how long it took for one that Sardanaphalus tagged last week. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 10:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Per the thread above, here's (the beginning of) a rough but reasonably accurate assessment of the impact of merging sports navbox (navigation[al] etc) template categories into parent sports categories, i.e. establishing a default that a (sports) template category carries navbox templates by default unless otherwise named. I stopped after cricket as it was already becoming clear to me that the impact in terms of subcategory and template numbers per category is nowhere near as bad as I had tried to imagine, plus my work "renavboxing" categories within Automotive templates has also driven home to me how unnecessary the extra layers (and work) generated by populating separate navbox categories is. Please, please, please investigate and think about it and I hope you will see what I mean. I feel sufficiently confident to make this offer: Let me recategorize Sports templates without any navbox categories and if you (or anyone else) feel it's irretrievably unwieldy, I'll undo all that work. I'd rather do that than spend time as I have been creating/reactivating navbox categories that really do nothing beyond adding an unnecessary extra layer to the system and doubling the number of Category: links to make and maintain. It's so soul-destroying.

Sports templates
Current sports navbox category	Subcats	Tmplts	Current sports category	Subcats	Tmplts	Merged	Subcats	Tmplts
American college sports navigational boxes	6	6	American college sports templates	4	2	American college sports templates	7	8
Athletics navigational boxes	2	0	Athletics templates	4	20	Athletics templates	6	20
Badminton templates	0	29¹	None
Bandy templates	0	10¹	None
Baseball navbox templates	5	44	Baseball templates	6	18	Baseball templates	10	62²
Basketball navigational boxes	8	12	Basketball templates	5	33²	Basketball templates	12	45²
Cricket navigational boxes	7	65²	Cricket templates	4	24	Cricket templates	10	89²
. . . . . .

¹ Can already see not all these templates are navbox anyway.
² Can already see some subcategorization needed anyway.
Can already see miscategorized templates and categorized userpages.

Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

But, since you've been identifying templates' types and categorizing uncategorized or miscategorized templates, it wouldn't be undoing your work -- it's taking the next step, realizing that most templates are navbox style, so making that the default type. I know I'd feel bad going back to redirecting navigational/navbox categories if I didn't have your understanding and, better still, support. Maybe I should ask DH85868993 to return here and comment? Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If nothing else, I'd be unhappy if you're moving on with the thought that your template work is being undone. It isn't -- it's being developed -- because without your work there'd still be tons more templates either uncategorized, semi-categorized, or incorrectly categorized. Whether or not the "navbox default" idea takes off, it's mostly your groundwork that's made it feasible because you've brought all those templates in from the cold -- and it'll be your groundwork that makes the "navbox default" far easier to implement, or, if/when the consensus decides, revert. I truly hope you appreciate that. Thanks. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton templates

I looked at your edits done for the templates regarding bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton, including the tracks used for them, specifically of the category adjustments. Why would you place a navigational category for skiing when all three sports are ice? I reverted you edits for both templates as a result. Chris (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand. No problem. Chris (talk) 14:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not remove the article on ProIsrael Organization CAMERA trying to manipulate Wikipedia and distort reality

It is an important article,and I am trying to protect the integrity of Wikipedia. Please do not remove it. All the CAMERA emails are given in the link. This informations must be exposed to the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gauharjk (talk • contribs) 05:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC) --Gauharjk (talk) 05:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Two TfD nominations

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Just checking

Hi again. Either I'm losing my mind or something odd is going on -- are "X navbox templates" categories being created/reactivated...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That's okay, I thought I might've screwed up my self-tracking, so left the above rather than start trying to work out what was going on. Whether they're in "X templates" or "X navbox templates" categories is beside the fact that you've gathered templates together, so if the "navbox default" idea isn't taken up, those consistently-named navbox categories will already be there. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear User: IMPORTANT WIKI ARCADE GAMES PROJECT NOTICE

As you should be aware the wiki arcade games project has been marked inactive and with good reason. I am trying to increase the activity of this project but first I need to know who is still actually interested. So to find out I have put inactive next to the name of every person who has put them selves down as a participant of the project. If for whatever reason you do not intend to participate in the project anymore please remove your name from the participant list altogether. If you do but not in the near future leaving inactive next to your username will be helpful. Not taking any action at all will of course lead to inactive remaining against your name on the participant list. If however you have every intention on continuing in participating in the project please come change the "inactive" next to your username to "ACTIVE" so that it is clear who does and who does not still have interest in participating in the project. Thankyou for your time. --Hybrid360 (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_27#Template:LawinAsia

I refer you to the above comment. I know you didn't make them, but comments like "editors are too lazy to... etc." overlook the fact that those template existed because many articles on law enforcement topics were not named "law enforcement in..." so and so and thus those templates didn't work. I respectfully ask, assuming good faith, that when you next come across such a template you might hopefully remember that this may be the case. Thanks and happy editing :) SGGH ^speak! 11:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

El Salvador

Hi. That article is still not at its old title. SamEV (talk) 06:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I think it's all sorted now (although I got stuck on "Mathematics", appropriately enough...) Hadn't seen that problem before. Bencherlite ^Talk 06:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I tried to move it back, but the old title was protected. SamEV (talk) 06:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I'm having some trouble with David Archuleta and Jason Castro. Please note that I have posted an RfC for Archuleta... I hope this isn't considered campaigning, but I just wanted your thoughts. This has to do with labeling these people as Honduran-American, Colombian-American, etc. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

I figured I'd ask you, because I'm pretty unsure otherwise and I've known you to be reliable.

On the AI7 page, someone changed "Syesha Mercado" to "Syesha ugly dippshit fuck head bitch slut nigger afro whore banging mega skeet skeet licker vagina pussy feeler baby raping douchebag"...........yeah.

The culprit was 98.218.37.142. I'm wondering what can be done. How do I report him for vandalism and is it possible to temporarily block him/her from editing for their foul/bigoted language? Thanks!--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 03:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Buckeye (chicken)

Hey, checking the history of Buckeye (chicken), I see you deleted this once as G1 "patent nonsense". No harm done, I've recreated the article (as you can see) with plenty of sources. But the prose of the previous version was not nonsense garbage, just unverified. If you'd done a 2 second Google search for "Buckeye chicken" you could've seen it existed, and was therefore far from meeting G1. Thanks for your time, VanTucky 21:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation of cite doi/subpages

~~Hi, please don't add categories to pages where the same category is already transcluded through the cite_doi/subpage documentation template. Thanks, Smith609 Talk 07:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)~~ Sorry - ignore me, there was a bug in those pages. Smith609 Talk 10:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Just saw your talk page pop up on my watchlist and I thought I'd drop by and say hello. Made me think of the old days with Kizzle, and Ryan, and Kate and Derex. Hope things are well with you. Guettarda (talk) 07:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

How to stay sane? Hmmm - stay away from this place? :)

I actually haven't done such a good job of sticking around - the last couple weeks have been the first sustained editing I've done in months. I spent two years creating a featured list (List of palms of the Caribbean - I had to keep coming back to finish it. I don't find controversial articles are problematic any more - after a while, when you realise that the people you're arguing with have come and gone, and the ones that followed them have come and gone, and the generation after them has also...eventually you can build accurate articles. I suppose it's seeing how far the evolution-creation or climate change articles have come is encouraging. When I got here we were trying to keep nonsense out of the lead in the evolution article. Then we found the fight at intelligent design (and, I think, helped in the evolution of the policy on sourcing). Today we're seeing problems with the fourth and fifth tier down. True, it's hard to care sometimes, when it's such a minor article, but the truth is that we have built good, well-sourced articles. And people who come along and complain about the article being "NPOV" (when they mean POV) just because it doesn't reflect their POV are the people who force you to find the references to support your position. They can be annoying and upsetting, but ultimately you end up with a better article.

Someone like BigDaddy777 would be much easier to deal with, knowing what I know now about how the system works (or is supposed to work). At the same time, I realise that it doesn't matter if the article is on the "wrong version" for a few hours.

Social networks are important. If you don't make friend, you'll burn out. As the project gets bigger, there's no way to know "everyone" like I once did. I don't recognise the names of most admins these days. I feel like anyone who joined after I became an admin (July 2005) is a newbie. :) At the same time, as the project grows, you don't have to feel responsible for everything. When I joined it seems like Lexor was trying to keep track of all biology articles. I think he had a master list or something. Can't imagine that now. But there are really good people who have taken over some of the articles I once felt responsible for.

It might be good to collect some thoughts on coping. I'm sure everyone has their own way. It always amazes me when I realise that there are people who have been here since 2002 who are still fairly active. But I suppose when I see something like that, I don't dig through their contribs - there may be a 6 month wikibreak here, a year there. 'Essays by Old Timers on How to Stay Sane". Guettarda (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of Cedar creek country club

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Template:Classical composer recreated

This template which you deleted on 2 May has been recreated. What can we do about this? Can it be deleted and recreation blocked? Thanks and regards. --Kleinzach (talk) 04:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. In my view it's the same thing, but we can see what other people think. --Kleinzach (talk) 05:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason why we can't put it up to 'Templates for deletion' again? Apparently it has been deleted three times now. Thanks. --Kleinzach (talk) 10:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Kleinzach (talk) 10:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Mrdo4.png)

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template cats

thanks for doing the cats for the numerous templates i create! it's just that Template:United Kingdom Ministry of Defence is not the same as Template:Secretary of State for Defence. the former is a current template for the actual department, the latter for the people who have held (or hold) the position of SoS. the same goes for the Home Office and others. ninety:one 20:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

cool, thanks :) ninety:one 10:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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DRV could use some help

As a frequent closer of TfDs, your input would be appreciated here. [6] Please note I am not canvassing for votes, but rather asking for expertise and a voice of reason to back me up. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 04:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 04:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion help

Currently the article Instant-runoff voting controversies is being considered for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Instant-runoff voting controversies (2nd nomination) One user named User:Abd has stated in the former deletion nomination that they work as an advisor for a group that is against instant-runoff voting. I believe this user to way too involved and has a very clear conflict of interest and should not be allowed to vote or be part of the deletion discussion. Thank you for listening. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 06:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have asked at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Voting Systems for anybody who is an expert to come join the discussion, and at Wikipedia:WikiProject Human rights for neutral, unbiased editors to take a look as well. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 07:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Closing TFDs

I noticed you closed a few TFDs recently, so if you have a chance, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_May_8#Template:Infobox_neighborhood? Thanks! Gary King (talk) 16:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:GFDL-1.2

I see you've closed Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 May 11#Template:GFDL-1.2 as delete - however this was an incomplete nomination as the template was not tagged for deletion, and therefore I was not aware of it as the template is on my watch list. Had this been the case, I would have opposed the deletion. There is a fundamental difference between {{GFDL}} and {{GFDL-1.2}}: one allows any future versions to be used, the other doesn't. Any proposoal to remove a type of copyright should be fully debated. — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 05:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_classical_composer

Hi. You may prefer not to be involved with this. If so, fair enough. However I have written to Happy Melon here to ask him to clarify his decision about the biographical infobox. Thanks and regards. --Klein zach 07:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Big Ten business school navbox

Thanks for categorizing the navbox. It was the first navbox that I ever made and I didn't think of it. Thanks for showing me the way.H.al-shawaf (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

AFD