Talk:Labor Left

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earlier comments

what a load of tripe this article is. one day when i'm feeling like a fight i will rewrite it. Adam 12:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Each day I feel like a fight. DarrenRay 12:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not quite as combative as you. but i am patient, and thorough. so it will get done. Adam 12:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you'd be up for much of a fight. It's a lousy article, and we don't have any SL warriors (yet) to be a nuisance about it. It'd also be nice to have a more thorough list of MPs. Is that information available elsewhere online at all? Ambi 02:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was kidding of course, I think it's an interesting subject that should be given a comprehensive discussion. I will follow your lead on it and hopefully add some spicy references from the recent past. I will closely peruse references to the group by Andrew Bolt and the Herald Sun more generally. DarrenRay 00:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow I think there might be better sources for information about the SL than Mr. Bolt. Ambi 02:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty certain this article is wrong to use the title "Socialist Left" for the whole Left in federal Caucus and in all the state branches. Certainly in Caucus it is called the "National Left". There is an SL in Victoria, and in Qld, and I think also in SA, but I don't believe the NSW Left uses that name. The article ought to be rewritten to reflect these facts. Perhaps it should called Australian Labor Party Left and these matters discussed there. In the interim, I am going to remove the list of federal MPs and put them in a new article, Australian Labor Party Caucus 2004-2007, where I will list all MPs and Senators by faction. Intelligent Mr Toad 07:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In NSW the faction is the Socialist Left as well (as it correctly points out in the article)--203.166.110.82 01:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have now done this. There are a few gaps which devoted faction-watchers can no doubt fill in for me. Intelligent Mr Toad 08:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redraft collaborators

I will happily collaborate in creating a NPOV article. The left faction of the ALP.--Fred.e 21:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good one - or just Labor Left (which currently redirects to this one). I'm not sure how we would go about referencing it though. I tend to agree with Adam's comment at the very top of this page - the entire article is a mess and contains several unproven (and IMO non-factual) assertions. At least one of the MPs on this list, while left-wing, would most definitely not use "socialist", and "Socialist Left" doesn't even exist in WA and probably other states too (I can only talk about what I know). I would have tried to improve this article but most of what I know would constitute WP:OR. Orderinchaos78 15:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel Words

Particulary these lines.

Federal party leader Gough Whitlam sought to use the 1970 intervention to modernise the Victorian branch and increase its chances of electoral success. Some have argued that this was a move to decrease the influence of the left-wing Victorian branch. This second point has been one of considerable contention with subsequent electoral results in Victoria being inconclusive.

Who said this? It's important. Furthermore I challenge the idea the subsequent results are inconclusive... but I'm not going to argue that here... but sources people! Sources! Teiresias84 00:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Labor Right?

Should this article be merged with Labor Right to form a new page, perhaps something like Australian Labor Party factions? Regards, Ben Aveling 10:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. Timeshift (talk) 10:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]