Talk:History of Dalmatia

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See discussion here. GhePeU 20:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

references to Eastern Orthodoxy etc

User:Kubura has again tried to remove the references to Eastern Orthodoxy (latest diff), this time with the commit log Bogomils had nothing with Great schism. Old border of W & E Christianity was on the Drina river.

However, as it is apparent from the diff, this misses the point. He also changed:

All of these duchies were at the time self-ruled by their Slavic population that was, by religion, mixed pagan and Christian, and by ethnicity could have originated from both Croat and Serb tribes.

...to exclude the possibility that they were Serb by ethnicity. This is wrong because there is no proof whatsoever that all of the southern Dalmatian territories were inhabited by Croats only. There are several indications that there were Serbs there as well - references to them in De Administrando Imperio or the intensive intermingling of Duklja with Raška during the rule of the House of Vojislavljević are fairly decent examples.

Another change involved:

The great schism between Eastern and Western Christianity of 1054 further intensified the rift between the coastal cities and the hinterland, with many of the Slavs in the hinterland preferring the Eastern Orthodoxy (or sometimes the Bogomil creed).

...where the second clause was completely removed. This is wrong because Slavs preferring Orthodoxy is quite apparent from the increasing introduction of Orthodox churches and Slavic rulers from that period onwards in southern Dalmatian hinterland. The reference to Bogomils refers to the Bosnian Church - during this period the northern areas included those that were in the old Roman province of Dalmatia. I'll amend it, but it was a notable trend.

Another change was:

In the period of the rise of the Serbian state of Raška, the Nemanjić dynasty acquired the southern Dalmatian states and the coastal cities by the end of the twelfth century, with the population being mixed, both Catholic and Orthodox with a Serb Orthodox bishopric of Zahumlje being located in the city of Ston.

to remove the references to mixed population and the Zahumlje bishopric, and to mark the Nemanjić dynasty as "temporary". I can't explain this as anything other than censorship and misrepresentation.

Kubura, I can understand that there is an antagonism towards references to Serbs in southern Dalmatia, but at the time the southern parts of the region of Dalmatia included those areas and there appears to be no proof whatsoever against this. Please provide references for your removals if you wish to make them in the future. --Joy [shallot] 16:18, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]