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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The opening line... indicates that the song's protagonist is dissatisfied with his partner's new haircut and in general with changes in her personality." has got to be one of the worst ways to summarise this song and one of the best ways to kill all the meaning this song has that I have ever seen. Paul McCartney said he cried when he listened to it, yet the best that Wikipedia can come up with is "dissatisfied with his partner's new haircut". There has got to be a template for this... Warning! Some people will think you are trying to be serious. Anyway, I'd change it, but that would destroy what is, in its own twisted and mixed up way, a truly quintessential Wikipedia line. JS (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! You're right on. I've seen similar atrocities in articles related to Pink Floyd's The Wall. Anyway, it's been changed, so I'm glad you left the comment for our amusement. --63.25.118.201 (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The key.

According to the sheet music book (which I added to the list of references), the key (after being sped up) is D-flat, not F#/G-flat as the article previously stated. If you think about it, D-flat's the right key, even though the song does not start with a D-flat chord. Here are the chords:

VERSE: ||: Ab6 | Gb6/Db | Ab6 | Gb6/Db | Ab6 | Abm7 Db9sus4 | Db6 | Gbmaj9 :||

I don't see how you could argue this is G flat when the Ab major is so prominent.

BRIDGE: Ebm7 Ab7 | Dbmaj9 | Cm7(b5) Gbdim7 | Bbm | A6 ||

It's the bridge which really settles it: The first two chords, a classic ii - V resolving to a Db chord (indeed, a major ninth), and the next two chords resolving to the relative minor, Bbm. And that A(natural) with the sixth is equivalent to the minor IV of Db (F#m/Gbm), which is always a telltale sign.

Hope that heads off any arguments.
--63.25.26.25 (talk) 20:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, incidentally, the sheet music book gives the chords as "Fm7/Ab" and "Ebm7/Db". I don't understand why one would ever use "Fm7/Ab" when an Ab6 is the exact same chord, and a simpler name. Also, the Db9sus4 was named "Abm7/Db" (this kind of chord comes up a LOT in the Pet Sounds material). If I'm doing something wrong by renaming these, I'd be interested to know.

--63.25.26.25 (talk) 04:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]