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John Norum

You've started a war editing with no reason. John is the co-founder AND the current Europe axeman, so there's no need to edit this information. If you want to edit that page adding or modifying important informations you're free to do it, but you've also to respect others' contributions, expecially if they are checked and correct. Have a good wikitime. --MusicIsMyLove 07:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a teenager since a LOT of years, and your approach to this page written almost entirely by me was and still is really impolite. Next time, try to explain your editing avoiding offensive tones, and keeping the respect for the ones that worked hard to write a good and useful article. I can easily change the word axeman, but you'd have to keep in mind that AXEMAN is the common way to call a guitarist. --MusicIsMyLove 10:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicIsMyLove (talk • contribs)

English is not my first language, but I have the same right to write an article in English without asking the permission to do it. If I'm wronging, please update me. If you want to edit it because of grammar mistakes, do it, EXPLAINING the editing and keeping a polite mode. Thanks.--MusicIsMyLove 11:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree with you when you state that the most important thing here is to have good articles, correctly written and respectful of the Wiki rules. And it's my aim to do my best with my contributions. It's the way you persist considering it "horribly written", "childish", "extremely poor" and so on that's offensive for the people that work at it since years. This article is here since years, a lot of people has given their contributions but you're the one and the only that has expressed a personal opinion in such bad terms. None is a teacher here, and no one could personally state if an article is good or bad, Wiki is a peer to peer community. So, each opinion will be taken in the right consideration, if expressed respectfully.--MusicIsMyLove 12:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicIsMyLove (talk • contribs)

Got your message. Will gladly help. The article had more issues than just that poorly written lead. All the text is a copyvio cut/paste from an external website. I will alert an admin friend as to what has happened and see what he thinks should be done. Libs (talk) 13:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update. It's a copy/paste WP:COI issue. Most/all of the text will have to be removed. If you need resources to try and build the article back up I am a librarian and can likely find some pro publications in our database that I can link to you for some decent content. have a nice day! Libs (talk) 14:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone here tried to delete this article writing that it was a copy/past of the content of another website. Well, I've written most of the parts of this article, and I've taken some of the content from a website dedicated to John Norum. I'm the administrator of that website, I have no problem in giving the authorization to use that content. Since I've checked every single infos before publish them, and I've written just facts and not personal opinions, please let me know in which way it could be seen as a conflict of interests. Anyway, someone else has re-edited. Before starting a war, let's talk!--MusicIsMyLove 16:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicIsMyLove (talk • contribs)

That's still a WP:COI issue and I can't help with that. The text from your website can't be added. And you can't edit the page based on anything to do with your personal website since that becomes a conflict of interest. An editor has offered an opportunity to create a referenced article using valid citations. Fansites do not meet WP:RS and can't be used as refs. We will have to rebuild from scratch using something else. Your website is fine for your enjoyment. But it can't be used for Wikipedia. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that's really hard for you to be a bit more polite, isn't it? You're tremendously OFFENSIVE, and you aren't able to understand that write things like "it's a poor quality article from a poor quality website" are offensive words. Who are you to judge the quality of a website? My website wasn't born "for my enjoyment" but to give CORRECT and more infos about John Norum, since at that time it was really hard to find something about him on the net. And since I'm a hard music lover and a huge Norum's admirer, I've checked every single info. I still don't understand the reason why a correct source of information as that article was (since 2 years) has been deleted and not simply edited.

I still don't think that this attitude is correct and respectful of others' contributors work. MusicIsMyLove 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I just call it like I see it. Sorry if you don't like a blunt opinion. I don't cow-tow around anything on Wikipedia. I just do what needs to be done and let the Barnstars speak for themselves. The John Norum article will be improved. But it will be improved following all Wikipedia polices and editing rules. That's the only way I know how to do it and do it properly. Read WP:CITE, WP:V and WP:RS. Also read WP:CON. These are the foundations Wiki was built on. The offer for citations came from a librarian who has access to material that will meet Wikipedia's WP:RS policy. It was a generous offer which I will take him up on when I have more time to apply to it. For now all I have time for is vandal hunting.(which is a non-stop need on Wikipedia). Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've given just your opinion. It's not my aim to start a fight, I have a life and tons of things in my life that need my attention. That's a hobby for me, not a MISSION as it seems that's for you. You've stated that the article will be improuved. Well, I hope so. And I hope that it will be re-edited in the best English ever and following all the English Wiki's rules. I'll be there to check every single info that will be written, and I'll edit all the ones that won't be correct. Work well! MusicIsMyLove 22:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicIsMyLove (talk • contribs)

Your assistance will be appreciated. But mind Wikipedia's WP:OWN policy. Your "correct" must mean correct and not just POV. Wikipedia wasn't built in a day. But poorly written articles can be torn down in a second. Good articles take time and patience. And citations from reliable sources. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 22:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll do my best to be helpful. "Correct" in this case meant to have checked every single info. In which way? Asking to people closely related to Mr Norum, to Mr Norum himself, checking the official website and the official bulletins on the media. Etc etc etc. Only one official biography of Mr Norum was published, it's written in Swedish language and it was in the booklet of the Swedish special edition of "Face the Truth" album. I have it and I've translated it for my site and for Wiki. No other official reliable sources. Just tons of uncorrect infos on the music related sites. So... once again, work well! Take care. MusicIsMyLove 22:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MusicIsMyLove (talk • contribs)

Wikiproject: Guitarists

Thanks for the welcome anger. Quick question for you, what is a typical "reliable" source for information regarding guitars? Manufacturers websites? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 22:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]