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Sarah is away on holidays and won't be back until later this week, but noticed this question. Try this link showing the precise geographical location, so it would seem to be correct. Cheers ww2censor13:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They're threatening to ban you for an entire bloody year at Arbcom. Absolutely f**k*** outrageous!
Show them your article creation list, Sarah, I think you probably have the record.
Sure you lose your rag from time to time - but don't we all, especially when faced with extreme provocation and wind-up merchnats....Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 17:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sarah, since you have agreed to the mentoring, and change your behavior...I have unblocked you. I'm hoping this is the beginning of a new day, and we can go forward from here. If you need help, my talk page and email is always open. Good luck! :) SirFozzie (talk) 20:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Welcome back Sarah. Don't forget, if you feel yourself getting hot under the collar, do come and give Alison, Rockpocket or me a nudge and we'll try to advise. Remember, everything can be undone on Wikipedia (including deletions, merges, etc.) so there's never a hurry. Oh, and on behalf of the community I'm very sorry that this was such a long and drawn out process. You didn't deserve to be put through that and have conducted yourself well, and been very patient. It shows your commitment to the project, and I think we should all be grateful for that. Waggers (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
......from image-pages of road-signs that Limbo-Messiah has created and uploaded. The Commons versions don't fit in the articles and reverting is impossible because as per the tag the originals get deleted by the "image-tidy-up community" as quick as you can say Holy Mess Batman!
Heyo. As near as I can tell, there's no way to stop the eventual conversion of the images to the SVG format. The SVG replacement images are 10 times smaller (download size, not dimensions) than the original images that they replaced, and are always preferred for illustrations and icons. If the image replacement is causing formating problems, you can change the image size parameters in the image tags. Reverting the tagging is unlikely to help, since the images will be converted sooner or later anyway, with tags or without. Cheers, ➪HiDrNick! 23:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sarah. Good to see you back. I'm not sure of what the ultimate resolution was in your unblocking - I certainly wasn't involved in any off-wiki discussions - as I was in Las Vegas for a while. Anyway, I'm back now and my offer of mentorship assistance remains. If there is any specific parole conditions then do let me know, otherwise just drop me a note when you need help. I'll try and keep an eye on things as much as possible and attempt to head off trouble at the pass. Rockpocket22:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno Rock, it seems I'm being kinda generally mentored - I suggested you, John, Fozzie, Alison, Waggers and a host of others as being acceptable - so please go ahead! Not sure how mentorship works actually - is it like having a Guardian Angel? Sarah777 (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Think of it more like a helpful big brother (but not a Big Brother). From my own experience, I'd advise you think ahead during situations where problems may arise and ask advice how to proceed in advance rather than get stuck in, and asking for help in the middle of an argument. Also, if one or more of the mentors offers some advice, its probably a good idea to heed it. Finally, my advice is to think about what constructive purpose talk-page comments may serve. Its often tempting to make a wider political or philosophical point on a talk page or get drawn into debate, but if its purpose is not to improve the article directly then its often better off left unsaid. Keep those things in mind and you should be fine. Rockpocket22:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually don't see it as a big brother at all (having been one twice but never had one), well parents set boundaries, its totally different. I actually like the idea of VK mentoring Sarah. I, on the other hand, would be completely useless, although I want to see a successful Sarah, and a successful VK too. Thanks, SqueakBox00:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where did I say that they were not built by the Council???
"The Fields family left the house in the late 1950s and Dublin **County Council** acquired it and the surrounding estate on which they built the Shanganagh **Housing Estate.**"
This means it's a County Council built Housing Estate. It doesn't matter if some or all of the houses are in private ownership, before you trot that one out. By that rationale if there were a few council owned houses in a private estate, the whole lot would be a council estate. This is not POV, it's not snobbery, 'irredentism' (you need to misuse at least one word a day, I see), it's just the application of a factual description, in what is supposed to be a fact based encyclopedia.
That was a reference to the bit about Shankhill including Rathmichael; you obviously must misread at least one edit per day, I see.
At a push I'll settle for "Local Authority Housing", if that salves your social guilt, or whatever it is that drives you to revisit this point frequently.
I revisit in order to remove weasel words that seem to keep getting re-inserted. I'd (at a push) settle for "housing", unadorned by any unnecessary weasel words. He he! Did you think I wouldn't be back? You should know better by now!!Sarah777 (talk) 21:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Great Hunger: the "favourite hate" name poll
You participated in a recent straw poll at Talk:The Great Hunger on a possible name change. This is a friendly notice that I have opened another straw poll, this time to find the names that editors are most opposed to. If you know of anybody who did not vote in the last straw poll, but who has an interest in the name debate, please feel free to pass this on. Scolaire (talk) 14:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A quick comment on the recent extended block I got for restoring deleted articles: I notice that a month later the 500s and 600s (the period I put all my effort into) remain the only centuries to have all the individual articles deleted. All other periods before and after are untouched despite the claimed consensus of the "community" that the single deletion of "619" was license for anyone to delete 100 other articles. Assuming Good Faith is nigh impossible in this case I fear. Sarah777 (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Risking the wrath of the "community" I'm suggesting someone would have got there long ago if those years had been my work. Just 'cos folk say they are out to get you doesn't mean they aren't! Sarah777 (talk) 10:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to incivility
I think you could have responded appropriately by not making use of words like "smug" and "facetious" in your first message to the inappropriate one by Bastun. I think one way would be to respond with the aim of "rising above" the incivility, and that means by not inflaming the situation any further. Of course, I appreciate that there is an issue of not wanting others to appear to "get away with it" when others don't, and so if you feel the need to respond, one way might be to take on board what child experts advise parents to do if faced with naughty children (though we aren't dealing with naughty children, the general principle could apply to dealing with unfortunate behaviour in adults as well): be sad about what has happened. However, try not to do it in a demeaning or patronising way. I know it is tough, but the advice to grit your teeth and walk away (or ignore it) is still there if you feel you can do that. If you are worried, though, find a friendly administrator and ask for advice on what to do. I certainly think any attempt by others to draw you into a dispute, given the unfortunate recent events, needs to be dealt with quickly and firmly, which is why, when I read the exchange, I felt I should act. Does that help at all? DDStretch (talk)11:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It did indeed help, thanks. You stopped the snowball rolling any further down the hill and for that you have my gratitude! I think I forgot to count to 300,000 or whatever the number was - regards Sarah777 (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
@DDStretch - for the record, my post was most certainly not an attempt to draw Sarah into a dispute. If I'd wanted her community banned, I wouldn't have voted against such a sanction on ANI. @Sarah - replying in a min on User talk:Rockpocket. Regards, BastunBaStun not BaTsun13:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Bastun for explaining your position. In future if I feel offended at any of your comments I'll reply "Ėġáḍβś₮ŭŃ!" which will be our very own secret code for "I feel, with the greatest of respect, that the wording you used there might just have been a shade different". Sarah777 (talk) 06:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then while I shall endeavour never to provoke you, I'll especially try never to do so when you've indicated on your userpage that you're travelling, because trying to find those character combinations on an unfamiliar keyboard could take half the day! Regards, BastunBaStun not BaTsun09:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stick to you guns
Hey Sarah. You don't really know me, but I have to tell you to stick to your guns, stick to your principles no matter what. Don't let them tell you what to think, because that's what there trying to do when they are making restrictions on your opinions. To hell with them! Jack forbes (talk) 00:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am Jack - but obviously I have to play on the steeply sloping uphill pitch the community have created. The treatment of User:Domer48 takes the breath away! Read the thread at The Great Hunger talkpage and figure out how they singled Domer out for blocking!!! Unreal. (Btw, you'll be IP checked now just to make sure you ain't me, no doubt. As you say, I haven't a clue who you are). Sarah777 (talk) 00:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit slow Jack, but it seems you were aggravated by an apparent sock called User:Fonez4mii - but the police didn't agree - so you retired. You say you 'blew out' after a few drinks - but I can't see where! I reckon you'll be OK in the morning :) ! Sarah777 (talk) 00:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aint gonna happen Sarah, I'm happy to have burnt my bridges! Do me a favour will you , only if you have time , take a look at the sockpuppet case against the arsehole and tell me what you think. You obviously don't have to, but it would be a small favour to someone you don't know. Jack forbes (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have brought my anger to your page, it was wrong, and I had no right. Let me deal with it myself, maybe I need to see someone about it. :) Jack forbes (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, he's certainly not going to be checkusered by me, if that's what you're suggesting. It would be highly inappropriate, given that there's no reason to whatsoever - Alison❤01:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking that out. I saw those changes being made and was wondering about them, but decided to AGF until I had time to fact-check. Dppowell (talk) 00:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and the page that you created has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. NuclearWarfare (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey - it patently obviously isn't an article - just an example. Btw I seem to have moved the tag to the talkpage but speedily moved it back! Sarah777 (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ridiculous. Either colour is perfectly illustrative. A dummy creates a blue link and thus conceals the need for an article. It also makes a proposed move on to the title more difficult. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 11:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ĖġáḍŔòğĕŘ! - that was what I thought and I don't think ridiculous thoughts. Preferring pink to blue is a matter of opinion and taste; not of factuality. What do you think of the idea of a dab page, btw? Sarah777 (talk) 11:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I was getting a wee bit exasperated at certain users deleting "Aerfort George Best Chathair Bhéal Feirste", and have decided that the debate really needs to be closed once and for all. The crux of the argument I have put forward is that, whilst the airport does not have an offical Irish language version, nowhere in Northern Ireland does - thus if people insist upon removing "Aerfort George Best Chathair Bhéal Feirste", then they must also (try to) put forward EXACTLY the same argument with regards the great majority of placenames in Northern Ireland - as none of them are officially recognised. I haven't been active on this site for about a month now, but having finnished my exams I have slightly more time to dedicate to this subject. You said that would would be willing to help defend the Irish language translation in this instance. I would be very thankful if you were able to do so. The same thing has also happened, might I add, in the case of all NI airports, with the exception of Derry City and Newtownards.
Dúirt tú fhéin roinnt ama ó shin go raibh tú sásta cuidiú liom sa chás seo. Cuirim fáilte roimh chomhfheagras i nGaeilge i gcónaí. Míle buíochas leat! D.de.loinsigh (talk) 12:00, 22 June 2008
Are you sure it was me? I don't recall ever encountering Belfast City Airport before in any context. But I think the Irish names in NI is an Irish Manual of style issue so I'm not sure why that wouldn't apply to the Airport. I'll look into it. Sarah777 (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ryan did that? Why? Anyway I know name is the commonest just astounded at how many folk seem unable to concede the point. Sarah777 (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have gathered the data together on this sandbox page. If you like to help out please do so, as there is still a lot of duplication and it is still a mess but I am getting there but will appreciate any help you can give. Could also do with one or two more images. Want to take a trip? Actually there are a good few here.Cheers ww2censor (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ww - it looks good enough to me to come out of the sandbox. I don't have any images of Fenit in my collection and of course I refuse to have anything to do with the British Isles geograph project for the reason which the coverage map for the project brilliantly illustrates! Sarah777 (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That article *is* a nice bit of work. Nice to see both of you on WP:IMAR, too :) There are a bunch of really nice, properly licensed photos up on Flickr, including pics of the Jeanie Johnston in the harbour. I'll snag 'em later and copy them to Commons - Alison❤04:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do some more polishing tomorrow, especially on the harbour, and look at the photos Alison uploads. Please leave a link here if poss. Then I'll upload and delete merge tags. BTW there is still lifeboat and the Samphire lighthouse to add. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 05:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent job! And you used some of the new pics, too :) I'll see if I can dig out some cites and maybe start the Samphire Lighthouse article. Pity Clem is on wikibreak - Alison❤05:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sandyford Industrial Estate seems like a good example of many Irish stubs or short related articles that could be merged into much better, more comprehensive ones with some effort. Who has enough of that? Good example Sarah though, go for it. It looks easier than Fenit. BTW Ali, is it worth while starting a new article for the lighthouse alone? I would just use a redirect, unless it gets too big which I doubt. There is barely one page in The Lighthouses of Ireland by Richard Taylor (2004) and some of that is reminiscences. Cheers both of you. ww2censor (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I saw you asking for a clinical application of NPOV in discussing things on wiki (re Vintagekits, in this case). NPOV only applies to article space, you are misunderstanding that policy. 86.44.16.82 (talk) 02:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Much of the discussion is to do with Vk's comments vis a vis the terms of his restrictions; there is no attack in that whatsoever. Furthermore, we can as individuals and as a community find comments outside article space distasteful, offensive and/or disruptive: NPOV has nothing to do with that. As an aside to that point, please don't take it on yourself to ascribe objections to the nature of Vk's comments as an application of anglo POV, thereby implying your POV on them is the "hiberno" one. Dehumanization of the other in connection to their "extermination" is a feature common to ethnic conflict—the Balkans and Rwanda give but recent examples—and one need not be "anglo" to find it objectionable. You can WHOIS me for a case in point. In this context, the fact that Wright was a vicious sectarian killer of innocents, or that Vk's comments were wordplay on the "King Rat" sobriquet, do not assuage the grim and nasty nature of those comments, in my opinion. 86.44.16.82 (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome to your opinion. As for "please don't take it on yourself to ascribe objections to the nature of Vk's comments as an application of anglo POV" - it the cap fits....quite obviously much of it is exactly that. I don't see "Hiberno" as the opposite of Anglo btw; you'll have to explain that mental contortion for me! Calling Vk a supporter of "terrorists", "murderers" etc is also "dehumanization" - in fact the most virulent modern form of it - which leads to one million Iraqi dead, Guantanamo, the siege of Gaza, devastation in Somalia for example. So I don't really need lectures on the topic. Finding Vk's remarks "distasteful, offensive and/or disruptive" is PURE pov. The clue is in the first word you use...."taste". (I assume you are a regular editor 'undercover' btw - my very own CheckUser would indicate that). Sarah777 (talk) 22:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, I've never had an account, just a series of 86.44.x.x type IPs. I regret the suspicion that editing as an IP sometimes quite naturally causes.
Yes it is pov, that is my point. We can investigate which statements of opinion are better left off-wiki, and we must obviously use our own opinions to do so. No, the cap doesn't fit (I'm a Dubliner, as your checkuser must have ascertained), that is also my point. I never called Vk those things, so that's a side-issue unrelated to my post... (though I and presumably you would certainly say that Vk was supporting a killer—whether we call it "execution" or "murder" and the nature and ramifications of such terms is a deeper issue—and that this is not dehumanizing, certainly not in the literal sense of referring to the extermination of people as if they were cockroaches or vermin, as in Rwanda, the Balkans, and, yes, Vk's edit. I am sorry you interpret my alluding to this as lecturing you, that was not my intention; rather I wanted to point out a salient facet of what was objectionable about it, and one quite unconcerned with an "anglo pov").
If you are Irish and you ascribe a pov that differ from your own as anglo, you imply that yours is the "hiberno" (or post-colonial, or anti-imperialist or whatever extensions you may wish to ascribe to being Irish) pov. I have sought to demonstrate that this is not so in this case. Perhaps this is tortured language on my part, but the logic is ok, i think. 86.44.16.82 (talk) 00:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are perfectly clear and perfectly logical. I accept you find (I surmise) expressing support for any killer offensive. I'm indifferent myself in this case but it depends on the circumstances. In the case of Vk, parity of treatment is my concern and I'm pointing out that folk who will casually express support for killers dressed in, say, police or Army uniforms are in no position to critisise Vk (but I will not give specific examples as that will land me in trouble with the Law around here). However, I do feel your are a bit Utopian and your pov, if carried to it's conclusion and applied across the board, would end most of what passes for normal debate in human society. Maybe that would be a good thing - but I just can't see it happening this side of Armageddon. Sarah777 (talk) 01:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and I must point out that my "CheckUser" is code for "taking a wild guess"! Trying to find the real identity of folk is a mortlar in the wacky world of Wiki. Sarah777 (talk) 01:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK Elonka - I thought said IP was pretty reasonable, but I admit that I have always favoured full registration - apart from anything else it would curtail the relentless petty vandalism of articles. Sarah777 (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you were pretty reasonable too, Sarah, 'twas a pleasure to converse, in fact, but i must tut-tut most vehemently now: It's a wiki! :) 86.44.16.82 (talk) 22:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2 of my great living heroes are Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness, because in spite of their different views they worked together for a common good. If people like Bonkers, CR, Lauder, Kitty and I cannot work with the likes of you, ONIH and VK I think less of encyclopedia for it, and that the fault is in wikipedia not us, and that wikipedia needs to change and stop using indef blocks so recklessly. Thanks, SqueakBox04:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No disagreement from me Squeak - I think you'll find I have never called for someone to be blocked or banned for what they said here - even when they say nasty things about me! Sarah777 (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Folks - I wasn't really following that dispute. Never heard of "Sussexman" till the other day. My main concern was that one of the best Admins, Rockpocket (with whom I've had numerous rows btw), seems to be getting it in the neck over this whole rthing. The guy apologised; time to forgive and forget. No way is he dishonest, IMHO. Sarah777 (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you won't take it rude that I butted in on the AE page, but you seem to be getting (understandably) upset, and I do not want to see you borrowing trouble for yourself. I just wanted to make it clear that I meant no offense by it and apologise if I came off as arrogant or offensive. Narson (talk) 12:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I must say, this whole drama is why I stay away from troubles articles (That and I don't really care much about how one set of grandparents went about killing or repressing the other set). Hopefully it will all be sorted out for the best and we can get VK back to editing Boxing rticles, either by your preferred route or mine. Narson (talk) 12:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, though being close and having passion is a good thing, but when you have two sets of passionate people, you have to keep a tight rein on yourself, god knows I couldn't. He seems to be incredibly good when it comes to the boxing articles, I must admit annother area I don't go into (I'll stick to Formula One) which is his saving grace IMO. I've only ever run into vintagekits on tangents (Falklands War articles) and it didn't leave me with a great impression of him, but when I look at his boxing and other contributions, it is like a completely different (and quite amazing) editor. Oh well, prhaps not being an admin or having dealt with the troubles gives me an overly naive and foolish view of things. I'll stop rambling on your talk page now, have a good summer and please don't think that all Englishmen think ill of the Irish or have some bugbear. Some of us are asses in entirely different ways. :) Narson (talk) 13:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Vk maybe re-instated afterall, I knew that 'Condition #8' needed clarity. PS- I still think a man's/woman's Userpage is his/her own castle. GoodDay (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was Bastsun - so I doubt it was intentional. (Unless, of course, he reckoned my support would harm Vk's case - in which case could we fault his judgement?!!Sarah777 (talk) 20:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The comment above is too kind! You could be right about Giano but God I know how he feels......provocative remarks are dismissed as "nothing" and replies are hyped up into serious crimes. We REALLY need some objective measures in the "incivility" area to avoid the potential for gross, massive and widespread abuse of sanctions. Sarah777 (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)His original account was Giano (talk·contribs) but he scrambled his password and left in anger. That was ages ago - before my time - and I can't recall what the issue was back then - an arbcom case again, I think. - Alison❤20:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sarah, Basically, Giano did said something like "pedophiles should die" and someone blocked him for "hate speech". That someone was de-sysoped and Giano's block log was wiped clean (only time that has ever happened). That person was later given his sysop bit back in a very controversial decision and Giano scrambled his password as Alison says above. Here is an arbcom case that deals with a lot of the fallout. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/GianoTex (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know where Ballydesmond is. Stop undoing constructive edits about the place. The Newsletter a few months a go stated that the population of Ballydesmond was 846 people. Uktvhistory064 (talk) 12:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you see the comment just above his that he was responding to? It sure looked like two people were joking around with each other to me. But then again, I like to assume good faith of people, so what do I know? Tex (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe...but can't you see that in the mix of people and cultures we have here these things are not really "callable"? (I speak as someone who's had jokes/playfulness taken out of context, recycled and used against me at an RfC, Arbcob and ANI block-discussion - each feeding the other). I could see you were doing a bit of parody of Giano's views - but could Giano? I'm not at all sure. To be honest, if you'd made those remarks to me I'd have simply told you to P*** off - but I wouldn't then have expected to be hauled before the authorities! Sarah777 (talk) 21:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, there is obviously a gray area associated with civility. Lots of times I've seen civility warnings or complaints (and, once in awhile, blocks) about comments that I wouldn't at all consider uncivil. There is some complexity to applying the policy - comments in the gray area are usually (and rightfully) ignored. But - calling three people in the space of a day ignorant and stupid is going too far. Avruch21:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. Can I just clarify that you were not referring specifically to WP:RfAR/Tango when you made the comment? I shall amend my evidence, which is directed toward that case, if that was not what prompted your edit.
As for the rest of your comments; yes, and it is a pit I have fallen in myself - when I was newer to the buttons. Unless an initial block is in error as regards length of sanction, I feel that an admin should never vary their original block without first obtaining consensus to do so, and even then leaving it to a previously uninvolved sysop would be preferred. This does not disallow another admin from varying the original tariff, or subsequent revisions, but again requires the gaining of consensus. I do not see any other way of not violating WP:WHEEL also (but see below), which is a bonus, and should be part of the "admin manual" - should it ever be written.
(Disclosure; I have reset another admins block period - and it was related to Giano - but noted what I felt was the inappropriate justification of the reverted extension both on the talkpage and to the previous blocking admins talkpage. I believe it was noted but not commented upon in the subsequent ArbCom/IRC.) LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
LH, no, I wasn't referring in any way to the Tango case - in fact I was totally unaware of it. Re the Admins Rulebook, I really think it is something to be considered. I notice 3RR, where the rules are (pretty) clear and unambiguous rarely causes outrage from the person blocked whereas 'civility' blocks usually lead to outrage and can prompt war between the Admin and blocked editor. This is partly because the rules of engagement are not defined - there is no measure of the Admins motives available to the victim who will usually be reacting with the a priori assumption that the block was bad and unjustified. I know that those who claim to abhor and seek to prevent drama are often those most attracted to it - but if the Wiki tribes are serious about reducing 'drama' on the project, then defined rules for Admins would be a great help. Or would at least be a bit of chèvre on the Smörgåsbord as Giano might put it:) Sarah777 (talk) 08:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I need to do a lot of reading to get a feeling for this case - I'll do it tomorrow. Won't promise anything, mind, I'm off to France for two weeks on Monday! Sarah777 (talk) 23:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
History of Limerick FAR
Any chance you can get your hands on a copy of "The History of Limerick City", by Sean Spellissy (1998) for the History of Limerick FAR? I have looked here but would need to go to the NYC public library and read it there, which is not on. ww2censor (talk) 22:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ww - I certainly haven't got it! I'm leaving the country at 6am Monday morning so it will be a few weeks before I can look. Regards Sarah777 (talk) 23:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hang in there Sarah. Someday, an article British-Irish Isles will exist. Thus relegateing the article British Isles content to past-tense (historical) form. GoodDay (talk) 14:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Funny, I was watching some news clips on the BBC website, and it seems like our our illustrious first minister has adopted "these Islands". Anyway, what I am after is some help with Irish. I am trying to make sense of this. Any idea who'd be able to help? I know it's not modern Irish, but being as how I am not an expert, I have no idea how (in)comprehensible Middle Irish is or isn't. Thanks a million in advance, Angus McLellan(Talk)14:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Sarah this M20 thing and the N86
I did more signs, it's been a while, I'm not so sure about the "M20". but i did it anyway,
I also did the N86 but it hasn't got a page, could you set one up, I've no idea how
I can't think of any more roads that "may" become motorways in the near future or have small sections (cos they connect to one).
I've also added to the N72 and the N54 in terms of images, oops forgt to sign my name
Limbo-Messiah (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff Limbo, ta. Angus - this is a quick peep-in, sorry no reply but I can´t make sense of the more medieval bits - France wasn´t hot enough so I´ve moved south! I´ll leave a note up above. (Sarah777 - can´t find the squigglies on this keyboard!)