Talk:Arnulf of Metz

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Does anyone know anything about this Mellobaude descent?

To me it looks quite dubious, especially

Cloderic of Cologne (477 -509) married Parricide

The thing is tht Cloderic murdered his father and hence can be surnamed "Parricida" (Father-killer). It doubt it very much, that he had married a woman of that name, even if a woman of such a name would have existed (which is more than doubtful).

Str1977 22:22, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. One presumes that Parricide's father would have stepped in at some point during the naming process. When you add the unlikelihood that a woman with such an unfortunate name should marry a man who had killed his father (the irony would be a bit too great, I think), it makes the assertion unbelievable. Unless some pretty fine substantiating evidence appears in the next few days, I think removing the list is a reasonable response. Jwrosenzweig 08:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Before his consecration?

I believe he was married while bishop. That was then legal, I think. Can anybody confirm this? If so, when were the children born? Srnec 02:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Two hop-picking, brewing Arnulf/Arnolds

An editor inexperienced in hagiography has decided which Arnold is the beer brewer's saint, and is determined to suppress the following Wikipedia text: "Arnulf or Arnold of Metz competes with the eleventh-century Arnold of Soissons for the identity of the Saint Arnold who is patron of hop-pickers." This neutral bit of text, supported even by the iconography of the two saints, is useful information. There's no reason to suppress it. On what basis is this being challenged: perhaps only because the Saint Arnold Brewing Company of Houston, Texas has picked one over the other and has had a link inserted into this text? --Wetman 05:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was it really necessary to cast such aspersions in my direction? I have made no such decision. Nor was I the editor to originally include the information about the brewery.

It turns out that there are several saints who are identified as patron saints of brewers[1]. Curiously enough, I notice, Arnulf of Metz is not one of them[2][3]. Perhaps Mr. Wagner's research was faulty. I simply question the use of "competes with" when used in these articles. How can two dead guys compete with one another?

On the other hand, while reviewing my edits to this article, I discovered that my reversion of this edit was in error (I was tired and read it wrong?) My apologies to the previous editor. —Travis ^talk 13:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, Gentle Reader, that Wetman's complaint

An editor inexperienced in hagiography has decided which Arnold is the beer brewer's saint

is not addressed by this neutral bit of text

"Arnulf or Arnold of Metz competes with the eleventh-century Arnold of Soissons for the identity of the Saint Arnold who is patron of hop-pickers."

For full disclosure, yes, I have been known to enjoy a St. Arnold beer on occasion, have visited the brewery, and chatted with the owner. That is what originally piqued my interest in this article and why, in my wiki-inexperience, I inserted a commercial link where it didn't belong. I quickly learned the error of my ways and have since become a patroller for inappropriate commercial links, amongst other things. See for yourself. —Travis ^talk 12:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

== He is my direct paternal ancestor! == Im related to him.