Talk:IOS version history

User modifications

No mention of which versions have available user modifications? Ie: where can I install user created software, and where can't I? TimRiker (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Be bold and add it yourself, but make sure it is reliably sourced. -- 18:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Listing beta versions?

What has been the policy with listing beta releases in this article? There have been a number of reports in the online media about a 2.0.1 version being tested just a few days after 2.0 hit the street. There is also reporting going on now about a 2.1 release going out to developers.[1][2][3]. 2.0.1 may not warrant listing as there hasn't been any confirmation from Apple on it, but being that 2.1 has been given to developers it looks like a real candidate for listing here. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 15:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop editing out the 2.1 beta release date. The "July 24, 2008" date was the day the beta was released, which is what that portion of the table (see the key) represents. Once the final version is released, the article will be edited (pretty color change and release date).

Currently, the "future" portion of the article comes across very ambiguous: stating the beta version will be released in the "future."

I do, however, appreciate the combining of the duplicate references 70.119.180.155 (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

iPod touch upgrade charges

I added the specific US amounts to the pervious bullets. If anyone can find a better reference for the 2.0 upgrade, it would be a welcome change. Descender27 (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the addition, but this information (with is US-centric anyhow) is not supposed to be part of Wikipedia per WP:NOPRICES. I've reverted it. -- KelleyCook (talk) 17:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2.1 Beta Version Release Date

The 2.1 developer beta was already released. The section labeled as 2.1 is in blue as it is only a developer beta at the moment. Once a final/public release is, well, released, the article will be edited to reflect the official release date. As I've stated numerous times before, it is very ambiguous to state that the beta is to be released in the "future" or "late 2008" when it has clearly been released. 70.119.183.138 (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This really isn't very hard, release means publicly released not a limited beta offered to developers that will likely changed numerous times before it is released. Your fairly new, so please look at the history and see how this was handled for the (numerous) 2.0β releases. Don't put a date until you have a firm public release date. -- KelleyCook (talk) 20:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't hard. Blue = beta. Release date of blue = release date of beta. Once beta becomes final, blue turns green, and release date is updated. And no, "release" != publicly released. I'm sure you can find the appropriate wikipedia article on software releases (or simply click). As for the 34160704516485 2.0 betas, that was due to heavy SDK revisions. Now 2.1 will include another SDK revision, but I highly doubt Apple will be seeding multiple betas due to time constraints (2.1 is due in September) as well as the fact that a limited amount of developers actually have the beta. And just because I post via IP does not mean I am "fairly new." I've contributed to many an article via many different IP addresses.70.119.183.138 (talk) 08:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A) Read WP:OWN, Wikipedia builds pages on consensus and Public Release dates have been consensus on the Talk:iPhone before this page was split off onto a seperate article.

B) Read WP:CRYSTAL, Wikipedia does not purport to know the future and is not the site for rumors. All edits must be WP:VERIFIABLE, which means that we know there was a beta release which is slated for a mid-September release.

C) Wikipedia does not use color coding alone for any charts (Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Color coding).

Furthermore, your single purpose edits[4] are beginning to be disruptive. Please read policy and I strongly suggest you create an account if you wish to continue adding to Wikipedia. -- KelleyCook (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A) So what works for one article doesn't particularly work for another? Where is the level of consistency? (See Safari web browser article)

B) No where in the article have I included a future release date. Likewise, there are no rumors in any of my edits. The release date of the current 2.1 beta is clearly defined (with a reference!). It is either you or someone else who continues to change the date. In fact, your edits are hardly consistent. You jump from "future," to "Late 2008" to "Autumn 2008."

C) I understand the color coding aspect of wikipedia's guidelines. However, there is a nice little reference that any color blind user could click on and navigate to the reference section, where it clearly states it is a beta release. Moreover, you come across as quite the hypocrite for allowing previous versions and current versions, of the firmware, to remain the way they are, as well as the Safari web browser version history section and the multitude of other articles which contain color-coded tables/diagrams.

My edits are nowhere near disruptive. In fact, they are quite contributive and are followed by references to boot. And I really hope the suggestion to create an account isn't a threat, because the last time I checked, anyone can contribute.

The fact of the matter is that the developer beta has been released, with a release date. Since wikipedia is a website which is constantly updated, once 2.1 final is released, then the date shall be updated. It cannot be any clearer. I do not wish to argue or fight with you on this matter (or any matter). And as per Wikipedia guidelines, there is no need for name calling ("Mr. NewBee Anonymous editor"). The facts are there, with reliable sources.

KelleyCook: Once again, this is for the release date of the developer beta version of the iPhone firmware 2.1. The specific date (July 24, 2008) reflects the release date of the beta. There is a source provided as well. I also added "Developer Beta" in the "features" column for the color-blind and as a compromise. There is absolutely no reason as to why the date should be reverted back to "(future)," "Late 2008," or "Autumn 2008" since the beta has been released (broken record). Had the beta been announced, but not released, then yes, a specific date should not be included within the article.

As to your claims of vandalism, if you read the vandalism page correctly, nothing I have edited consists of vandalism whatsoever. I have done nothing but contribute to the article in a positive and factual manner. I was the user (via a different IP) who ported over the Safari web_browser #Version_history template over to this article, as to create some sort of level of cross-article consistency. Something simple in which you fail to understand. If you really want consistency throughout the article, a simple "Beta" under/next to the beta version would not suffice as the other sections are colored only (sans corresponding text: previous version, current version, etc). And just because you do not agree with an edit I or another user makes, does not give you the right to automatically purport it as vandalism.

Now I have been very civil, mature, and professional about this. If you continue to behave in a childish, trigger-happy, manner, I will make all efforts to contact the appropriate administrators for some sort of resolution.

Version Info

I fixed up the version info, including adding the build numbers. The build numbers and dates were all taken from my own archive of the firmware files that I have been keeping since 1.0 came out. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. --dennis (talk) 22:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arranged the build numbers in columns. Thanks for the info! 70.119.183.138 (talk) 08:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]