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Weather chart problem

The lows in F are messed up! Someone should fix it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.143.76 (talk) 13:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Error introduced by User:71.111.143.76 has been rolled back. The numbers on each line are intended to be Fahrenheit followed by Celsius. Bovlb 19:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for bringing Georgia (U.S. state) up to Good Article (and possibly FA) status

I've been looking over this article for a while now, trying to figure out how to 1) make it more manageable (It's quite long) and 2) bring it up to Good Article or Featured Article status. Some ideas are:

  • Summarize long sections such as: Geography's Climate subsection; History; Demographic's Race, Language, and Age subsection; Economy; Law and Government; Education to at most four paragraphs for each.
  • Either create a Geography article or merge geography information into the Geology of Georgia (U.S. state) article so that it is changed to "Geography and Geology of Georgia U.S. state)".
  • Create an Economy of Georgia (U.S. state) article
  • Create a Government of Georgia (U.S. state) article
  • Create an Education of Georgia (U.S. state) article

Opinions? Reb 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions based on comparison with Minnesota (FA)

  • Geography should be divided into sections: Geology and terrain, Flora and fauna, Climate and Protected lands. All sections should have daughter articles.
  • Major cities and military bases should be split. A Cities and towns section should be created perhaps another section for Military bases. Minnesota makes no mention of military bases.
  • Economy should be divided into Industry and commeerce, Energy use and production and State taxes. Military bases are mentioned here as well (perhaps they belong here).
  • A daughter article for Transportation in Georgia (U.S. state) should be created and summarized here.
  • Our section on Law and government appears to be better than Minnesota's. Still, the section should be given a good copy-edit and proper cites.
  • A section on Culture with subsections: Fine and performing arts, Literature, Popular Culture. Minnesota has a section on entertainment, but I would group this under Fine and performing arts. Perhaps a section on Film as well to note those works filmed in the state.
  • Section on Health. Describe the healthcare infrastructure.
  • Education should be prosified with links to List of colleges and universities in Georgia (U.S. state), List of high schools in Georgia and List of school districts in Georgia (U.S. state).
  • Section on Media, include TV, radio, newspapers and periodicals.
  • Sports and recreation section with daughter article on Sports in Georgia.
  • Section on State insignia (State bird, flower, tree etc.)

I hope these are useful. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ganymead,
Based on your suggestions I started looking over the Geography section and began editing in my sandbox. Take a look if you get a moment, please. Work still needs to be done on Geology and terrain and Flora and fauna, but I've begun a section on Protected lands (basically copied & pasted Park info into a new section).Reb 16:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reb, looks good. I would, however, remove the second paragraph as it really has little to do with geography. The state capital is pointed out elsewhere. Additionally, look at Geology of Georgia (U.S. state), it states there are four geological divisions to the state, I remember learning three in school, but you may check on that. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ganymead: I thought there were three, too. But, according to the source the person used there are indeed four.

Help!!

Someone (Who knows about wikitablesyntax) do something about "Major cities and military bases", something went wrong and now just LOOK at it! It's sidescrolling and utterly unreadable! 68.39.174.238 03:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since fixed. Thanks to whomever took care of this. -- Satori Son 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article edits and additions

  • Geography should be divided into sections: Geology and terrain, Flora and fauna, Climate and Protected lands. All sections should have daughter articles.
  • Major cities and military bases should be split. A Cities and towns section should be created perhaps another section for Military bases. Minnesota makes no mention of military bases.
  • Economy should be divided into Industry and commerce (Actually Agriculture and industry for right now), Energy use and production and State taxes. Military bases are mentioned here as well (perhaps they belong here).
  • A daughter article for Transportation in Georgia (U.S. state) should be created and summarized here.

*Our section on Law and government appears to be better than Minnesota's. Still, the section should be given a good copy-edit and proper cites. *A section on Culture with subsections: Fine and performing arts, Literature, Popular Culture. Minnesota has a section on entertainment, but I would group this under Fine and performing arts. Perhaps a section on Film as well to note those works filmed in the state.

Reb 11:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Royal colony - crown colony?

I notice the term 'royal colony' has been used. From an Australian perspective this sounds odd. In Australia a colony started or supported by the British Govt would be called a crown colony. This implies that the authority of the colony is in the name of the crown (the Govt). Royal colony sounds like the king or queen owns the colony themselves. The Govt of Britain exercises its power under the name of the crown (queen or king of England). Any ideas? Ozdaren 09:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right that it needs to be changed, Ozdaren. In checking the Province of Georgia article it mentions that Georgia changed from a proprietary colony to a crown colony. 11:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
That looks a lot better. Ozdaren 15:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cities Images

In the Cities section of the article there are three images, two of Atlanta and one of Macon. All three are great images, but are three needed? I think the section would be fine with just one image. Opinions? Reb 22:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Biggest state east of Mississippi in terms of land

According to wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_area Michigan has more land than Georgia, someone please make this edit on the page.

Florida and Wisconsin also exceed Georgia's area. Geologyguy 14:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Oops, never mind, the Georgia article has the correct qualification of land area vs total area. Geologyguy 14:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still, Michigan has more land than Georgia and is east of the Mississippi River, someone please change the Georgia article.

According to the World Almanac, Michigan's land area is 56,804 sq mi; Georgia's is 57,906. Geologyguy 14:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article says differently

This says Georgia: 57,906 sq mi, Michigan: 56,804 sq mi. National Geographic Atlas says Georgia 58,876, Michigan 58,216. This says Georgia 57,919, Michigan 56,809. US Census says Georgia 57,919, Michigan 56,809. So, World Almanac, US Census, National Geographic, and others, OR Wikipedia. You make the call. Cheers Geologyguy 00:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naming of Georgia

Does anyone know how Georgia was named? Osillaj 17:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia was named for England's King George II who granted the charter for the colony in 1732. AUTiger » talk 18:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If this explanation is indeed correct, I suggest that it be incorporated into the "History" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.199.244.100 (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cobb

Can anyone please take a look at Cobb, Georgia? Is it the same as Cobb County, Georgia? --Amir E. Aharoni 07:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the same as Cobb County. You can find the unincorporated community of Cobb, Georgia via Google Maps[1] - just a bit west of Lake Blackshear and Cordele, Georgia in south Georgia (Cobb County is a part of metro Atlanta). The page should probably be AfD'd as non-notable; the pecan orchard claim is dubious and almost certainly unsourced/unverifiable. AUTiger » talk 14:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, i found it on Google, but wasn't sure of what to make of it.
The page is very poor, but isn't a community notable by definition?
As for pecan - the largest orchard claim is unsourced, but when i tried to Google for that place, Pecan street came up everywhere. So maybe it really is a place of orchards ... or is it just a common street name?
If you know what it is, can you please at least write that? That it's an unincorporated community or whatever?
Is there some kind of a directory of such communities? --Amir E. Aharoni 14:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just went to the Cobb, Georgia article and added that it is an unincorporated community. Also began an infobox and added a reference. Reb 14:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a community in the rural US is a small grouping of people/homes often around a crossroads, with undefined boundaries and too small to form any type of immediate government. As to notability, by comparison, a small incorporated town just to the west of Cobb is Leslie, Georgia with only 455 residents; Cobb is even smaller. I also added some info to the article. AUTiger » talk 19:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's just lovely how a beginner Wikipedia user creates an article about a totally unimportant place and then a bunch of unrelated people who have very little to do with it improve it.
Now i want to go to the USA, just to see the place. And maybe start a fire in the largest pecan orchard in the world, to verify the information about the fire department. Ehh ... nevermind. --Amir E. Aharoni 20:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I suggested AfD right off the bat. AUTiger » talk 22:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Waycross, Georgia

I thought the saying goes that Waycross is the "biggest city in the biggest county in the biggest state east of the Mississippi (River)". But on Wikipedia, Georgia is listed as 24th in size and Florida is listed as 22nd in size so the saying isn't true. Are these state sizes correct? --Mjrmtg 01:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Depends whether water is included in calculating the area. Qqqqqq (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Region

The reference to "Southern Region" in the first sentence may be a bit confusing to non-Americans. To a foreigner reading this article, "southern region" would put Georgia in the same zone as Arizona and New Mexico. "Southern Region" is a geo-political term refering to the former north/south division of the U.S. However, it makes more sense to use a geographic reference in the article's first sentence, for example: "Georgia (IPA: /ˈdʒɔːɹ.dʒə/) is a state in the southeastern region of the United States of America..." The whole north/south "southern region" CSA matter rates its own paragraph in the lead. Other geography-related articles list their subjects geographic position in the first sentence, so this case really stands out. Thoughts? Rklawton 14:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think "xyz region" an overly verbose and awkward construction, period. How about simply "Georgia is a state in the southeastern United States of America..."? AUTiger » talk 15:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Autiger. However, instead of southeastern United States of America why not Southeastern United States? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyReb1977 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! Rklawton 20:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure; fine with me. AUTiger » talk 21:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Droughts

I have added the fact that Georgia has had bad droughts 2 years in a row. I am a Georgian, so I know what I am talking about.

I read that reputable scientists saying these droughts are a predicted evidence of Global Warming, and that continued Global Warming will make them continually worse, someone should hunt this down and add it to the article too. Torquemama007 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First, the drought statement needs a releiable source (if one isn't there already), else it is just Original research. Second, the "Global Warming" controversy should be kept out of the article, as it is NOT a universally-accepted concept, especially in regard to the drought in GA. Some climatoligists attribute the dorought to the absence of active hurricane seasons in 2006 and 07. By the way, these same Global warming scientists predicted bad hurrican seasons to continue after the 2005 season, and they have been wrong for to years now. So, if you do insist on including the claims that GLobal warming has caused/affected the drought, be sure to include statements and sources on the opposing views. - BillCJ 02:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to move Georgia

Hey everyone, I thought some of you might be interested in a poll that's currently underway over a proposal to move Georgia. The discussion is taking place here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Georgia#Updated_Poll You can see the archived discussion of a previous poll on that issue here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Georgia/Archive1#Poll Helvetica 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Original research?

I've been wondering about something and going back and forth over whether I should mention it or not; I finally decided I needed to. Under the Confederate subsection in the History section is a section entitled Struggles for educational equality. It was added on the 20th of November of last year by a DocStudent. Does this look like original research to anyone else? If not, should it still be where it is? That history section is getting rather long. I would think the information would be wonderful in an Education in Georgia (U.S. state) article if it can be verified. Consensus? Reb (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

18th largest economy in the world

I've added {{Verify credibility}} to the statement in the /*Economy*/ section as the site http://www.viennageorgia.info/ is not an authoratative ((WP:Reliable))source of macroeconomic information and the statement If Georgia were a stand-alone country, it would be the 18th largest economy in the world. is implausable. I believe the statement should be removed as User: 208.102.203.7 did. Toddst1 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a couple other sites that mention that fact:
I wish I could find transcripts of Governor Perdue's 2006 and 2007 State of the State address. I know he mentioned the fact during one of those two addresses; I watch State of the State addresses as much as possible (missed it this year) and that fact has always stuck with me. Reb (talk) 20:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A little more information. It seems I was slightly off; according to last year's State of the State address, we would be the 17th and not 18th largest economy in the world:

If Georgia were a stand alone country, we would have the 17th largest economy in the world.

2007 State of the State address Reb (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the statement should read:
"The state's GDP is larger than all nations' except the largest 16."
in order to be correct. "If Georgia were a stand alone country" is an implausible condition and if it were not, why would one assume the GDP would be the same? However, good job with the citation. Toddst1 (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll fix that with the new wording and the State of the State cite, then. Reb (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but a governor's State of the State address promoting the subject in question is not a reliable source. Keep looking. AUTiger » talk 00:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If we were to use the $380 billion figure that's given in the article and is a reliable source (although it seems to be from 2005, rather than 2006 as the article states) we can then look at Wikipedia's list of countries by GDP and, using the 2006 World Bank list in that article, place Georgia's economy just ahead of Switzerland, in twentieth place. 128.2.17.193 (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Education

I'm confused, what's the point of linking to an article that is a list of school and then providing an incomplete copy of the same list right underneath said link? -- Jelly Soup (talk) 01:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a point. I think we should cut it (and, probably, move one or more of the images in that section to their respective list pages). Aylad (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I just did it.
--JKeene (talk) 17:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I just added information about high school standardized testing in Georgia; as this is my first major edit to any article, I'd appreciate feedback. Aylad (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music

The first line of the second paragraph is a shameless plug (and probably vandalism) for the band The Black Crowes, and should be removed. Anyone opposed?

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two revisions

I first removed obvious vandalism, then reverted a series of edits which appear to be spam advertising. The magazine being (probably) advertised is a redlink to a magazine which does not appear, based on a hasty Google search, to be especially notable. If the Post magazine is notable and deserves a place in the article, consider finding a better place for it – the former location appears to violate WP:UNDUE. Aylad ['ɑɪlæd] 17:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Small revision under 'music'

I removed the shameless plug for the band the Black Crowes. It's certainly non-encyclopedic content and has no place here.

Diyforlife (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citing issue

Could someone more comfortable with cite web go into citation #14 and fix it, please? The reference section is a complete mess and I think that one cite is the culprit. Thanks. Reb (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed this. --84.240.9.105 (talk) 08:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invasion by russia

My section about russia's invasion is consistently being censored.

I keep adding:

Invasion By Russia

On August 7, 2008 Georgian forces entered South Ossetia, which is situated on the border with Russia, in an attempt to bring the region under government control. On August 8, while the world media was almost entirely focused on the opening ceremony of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, Russian military forces retaliated by entering South Ossetia and allegedly launching a series of airstrikes against Georgian forces (and, according to Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili, civilian targets outside of the actual conflict zone). Russia has denied doing this. Due to the intensive war activity in South Ossetia there are controversial reports about the possible casualties on both sides, targets which have fallen under aerial attacks, troop movements and the current front line between the Georgian and Russian-Ossetian combat groupings.

Please stop reverting it.

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