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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by FloNight (talk | contribs) at 17:54, 14 August 2008 (→Separating distinct issues: ; ; took the case saying we would look at all editors). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Proposals by User:Abtract

The section headings in this need to be fixed up, replacing "Template" with something else. John Vandenberg (chat) 18:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Left a note on Abtract's talk page. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

too much talk?

One of our notoriously complex cases reached 75Kb of Evidence talk in 12 days; you guys have done it in less than 4 days. The Workshop talk of that case reached 78Kb after almost 3 months; can we expect the same within one month?

To me, it looks like the parties are niggling at each others soft spots here on the talk pages, and also submitting evidence on the Evidence talk page. Is this part of the problem or part of the solution? John Vandenberg (chat) 16:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's part of the problem (actually, it's just a continuation of the problem). I'll do my part in stopping. So 1/4th of it should go down.Tim (talk) 16:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It may be worth noting that the text on the page is not evenly distributed between editors:
  • Alastair: 24.9
  • LisaLiel: 20.1
  • Teclontz: 9.11
  • Ilkali: 8.97
  • L'Aquatique: 4.6
Ilkali (talk) 16:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How difficult a case is is generally measured in Workshop KB rather than Evidenc KB, I've noticed. 87KB really isn't all that much (though it is quite a bit in a short time) Wizardman 16:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, it's probably time for everyone to move on.Tim (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How long do we have to get our workshopping done, Wizardman? Alastair Haines (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Separating distinct issues

It seems there are two completely separate matters being addressed on the evidence pages. The first is the concern expressed by numerous editors over Alastair Haines' conduct, which was the grounds for establishing this case in the first place, and the second is a dispute specifically between LisaLiel and Teclontz/Skywriter that has been brought up somewhere along the way. To be honest, it feels like this second dispute is piggy-backing on the Alastair Haines case. Is there some way we can separate them? Ilkali (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We took the case to look at all editors. The principles for both situations are most likely going to be the same. If there are user conduct issues that are interfering with writing the encyclopedia then we need to address them. FloNight♥♥♥ 17:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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