Talk:Leet

SWG

Not only is the "/(action)" technique used in WOW but it is also used in Star Wars Galaxies, I request the page be edited to contain this information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.152.160 (talk) 18:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

NO ONE CARES ABOUT STAR WARS NOOBSAUCE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.207.243 (talk) 02:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That was rude. DOR (HK) (talk) 08:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

MMMmmmmm noobsauce :p

Actually, the forward slash preceding an action command probably more accurately refers to IRC commands. I imagine that these actions originated from there not only because it was one of the first forms of real time communications that hackers used, but because any (at least, those that I know) hackers would have utter contempt for RuneScape. Perhaps it might be useful to edit this section to refer to IRC, as opposed to Runescape? Tonjevic (talk) 09:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

newb, n00b, nub

I find that a lot of places has a different hierarchy than that which is defined in the article.

• Newb - just came, just getting acclimated
• n00b - acclimated, but still new, and is an idiot
• nub - been at this for a really long time, but still acts like a n00b. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.205.111 (talk) 00:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

We should add that "newbie" is a derivative of "new born baby" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.243.103 (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Frub-a free nub, usually in online p2p games that include trials.
• Fr00b-a free n00b, usually in online p2p games that include trials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.100.177.151 (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• • I, Being a OldbieNewb, will explain the definitions of the variation please first refer to C+A+D's simple Glossary here now to listing:

• Newb- a person who has just begun playing, these people normally enjoy help and advice and receive it.

Oldbies believe in helping Newbs because it brings more people into the activity.

• N00Blet- A New person who acts like they know what they are doing, they are cocky, rude, and not enjoyable, everyone enjoys beating N00BLETS as it teaches them a lesson. also can be called just N00B

• N00B- a person who in general acts rude, cocky, like they know everything, and that they are better than everyone else.

• Nub- and N00B who actually has gotten good but still will not drop the attitude of I'm better than everybody.

• Oldbie- A veteran, a person who has been around for a long time and is good.

• OldbieNewb- a Oldbie that still has the same problems as a newb, OldbieNewbs despite all their experience still feel very uninformed and confused and frequently requires help or cannot contribute much but still hangs around. for instance I would be an OldbieNewb on wikipedia as I still dont know how to do stuff like change my signature even though I've been around wikipedia for about 3 years maybe more.

hope that clears stuff up. Arkkeeper (talk) 22:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Grimlover?

Is this section vandalism? It has no information in it, and I can't find any reference in context anywhere else. Not even urbandictionary has it. It seems to me that if this word is so uncommon (and probably invented by the editor), it doesn't merit a special mention. Delete this section? AndyHuston (talk) 19:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

As of right now, there are a total of 191 results for 'grimlover' on google, the most prominent of which is someone's livejournal. seems like vandalism to me 86.135.50.133 (talk) 00:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, the section seemed suspicious when I read it, and I was unable to find any information backing it up - this should probably be deleted. 161.115.50.41 (talk) 02:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Leet Hammer Broz.

There needs to be a mention of the L33T HAMM3R BR0Z in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time. Please. 153.42.168.174 (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2007 (UT

I'll ask for you. --208.138.31.76 (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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Add the following item (or something like it) to the Leet in other contexts section:

• In the game Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, the Hammer Bros. are forced to speak in Leet because of Shroob mind control helmets.

--208.138.31.76 (talk) 21:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

N Declined. The proposed addition is not sourced; see WP:V and WP:RS. Sandstein (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Noob, n00b, newbie, newb, hasu and gosu

Noob, n00b, newbie, newb, hasu and gosu are ways of calling someone a Newbie, it implies exactly the same thing. Any player who displays or performs acts that could be considered "in-expierenced" (ie gettin' Pwn'd) could be referred to as a newb.

This Statement: "while a n00b continues to engage in "newb" behaviors long after they should know better. It implies that the target is being ignorant of his or her own failures, blames others without reason, has failed to learn, etc" is completely wrong. A N00b is a noob is a newb is a newbie.

No, a newb is a new person, and a n00b/noob is typically an idiot/spammer. They descended from the same word, but they have slightly different meanings.

-Grim- (talk) 14:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I entirely disagree. The distinction between noob/n00b/newb/newbie mostly does not exist. In some places a formal or informal usage has developed in which noob and newb have different meanings or connotations, no one can deny that. But in many (and I would not hesitate to say most) places the words are used entirely interchangeably. Some places also distinguish noob/n00b as less and more severe, but I see no mention of that here (which is as it should be). To inform an uninformed reader (dare I call him a noob?) that this distinction always exists is to do him a disservice. He may have even been *called* a noob in some place where the distinction is not made and be attempting to learn its meaning. I say that you simply cannot provide an authority which can prove that the distinction is essential and therefore the wording should be changed to indicate that the distinction is only made *sometimes*. --76.106.71.50 (talk) 12:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Grim, I have noticed a distinction. Newb is actually new, and the word is not always used derogatively. Noob or n00b however, is definitely an insult i.e. you are behaving LIKE a newb/idiot even though you aren't that new. Machete97 (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This is the only place I have ever seen hasu and gosu, and i cant find it anywhere else. in another language maybe ? Machete97 (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

"Chobo", "hasu" and "gosu" are terms I've encountered in the starcraft and warcraft 3 communities and are used respectively for newbie or unskilled person, moderately good player and very good player. Gosu can be synonymous to "leet". The gosu article covers the topic quite well. --Guillaume (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The IT Crowd

Recommend adding that the DVDs of the British TV series The IT Crowd offer l33t as one of the subtitle options. (L33t in popular culture?) 75.20.202.70 (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Too long, too difficult

This article seems to me much too long for the value (or notability?) of the topic. Surely Wikipedia is not there to provide exhaustive textbook coverage of topics? It also seems to have been written by geeks for geeks. As a non-geek I find it hard to follow. One problem is that the word pwn is introduced without any explanation (unless one follows the link) and then used extensively before being explained later in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawebster (talk • contribs) 07:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on the length and difficulty of the subject matter. I'm not the most versed in Wikipedia's policies on notability, but speaking from my background in Linguistics it is worth at least watching as it is a rather recent new dialectical form. By and large, unfortunately, any evidence I could give to support those claims would be original research. It's tough at this point- there haven't been many extensive academic treatments of this topic. Personally, I'd rather see this article get the same treatment that other articles that deal with language topics get. Mark my words, it's not a simple fad. Mendaliv (talk) 00:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

No original research

Like it says at the page that's linked above, Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Just because you may know something to be true/real/factual etc. doesn't mean you can add it without a reliable source. If you don't have a source for what you want to add, you really shouldn't add it.
Cliff smith (talk) 06:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro Wrong; not Shorthand

The introductory paragraph was wrong. leet is not a form of shorthand because it is neither briefer or faster. The Shorthand article opens with this definition: "Shorthand is an abbreviated and/or symbolic writing method that increases speed or brevity of writing as compared to a normal method of writing". leet is symbolic but does not increase speed or brevity. I have edited the introductory paragraph. Hu (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Not Alphanumeric

The introductory paragraph was wrong. leet is not written in alphanumerics because it uses more than only letters and numbers. I edited it to ASCII, but conceivably Extended ASCII or another link might be better. Hu (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronounciation

Why is the i in elite pronounced /əˈliːt/, opposed to e.g. Israelite? --Tantalos (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Because the English language is screwy like that. -Grim- (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's more because of the French language. 'Elite' is borrowed from French, so the pronunciation is (more-or-less) French. Another example is 'cuisine', which doesn't rhyme with 'line' for the same reason. One of the reasons for the baffling range of pronunciations/spellings in English is that so many words have been borrowed from other languages. Mooncow (talk) 22:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Under "Owned and Pwned", I believe some people pronounce it "pawn" also, ie. Total Pawnage. 172.137.54.16 (talk) 03:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Some people also say 'pooned' too, but that's irrelevant. That's still wrong and you still look foolish. You can't just change the proper pronunciation of a word just because people can't say it properly (That's what American English is, and look what a bloody waste of space/time that is) -Extr3me (talk) 14:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

L1nk1ng t0 0th3r p4g3s?

Shouldn't we provide a link to Chixor in the *see also* or the section describing h4xx0r? Meadhbh.siobhan (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

ROFL / FOFL

The footnotes justifying FOFL as an equivalent for ROFL do *not* even mention FOFL!

-XOR sufix comes from Exclusive Or || XOR =

XOR or Exclusive Or refers to the Exclusive disjunction logial operator used in programming and circuit design not from the hacker or lesser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwise_operation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOR_gate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeblow17 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Classification as "Argot"

Personally, I disagree entirely with the classification of Leetspeak as Argot. To quote the Wikipedia article for argot; "Argot (French and Spanish for "slang") is primarily slang used ... to prevent outsiders from understanding their conversations." As far as I'm concerned this is not right at all. I certainly have never used leet for the purpose of 'encrypting' my messages on the internet, mostly since it's all fairly obvious. I don't want to edit the article before I see what people have to say in repsonse to this, so fire away. --Extr3me (talk) 14:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• This talk page is dead, so I'm going to do the edit now and if anyone wants to dispute comment here. --Extr3me (talk) 21:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

False HTML

Why does it have to be HTML? It would be valid XML. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.90.19 (talk) 13:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

funny.Machete97 (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

lawlz (j00 g0t own3d) --Nn123645 (talk) 06:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Totally useless trivia

OK, this is totally useless, but slightly cool. l33tness is for geeks/nerds/whatnot and astronomy has a certain nerd factor associated with it, especially radio astronomy. Well, PSR B1919+21 was the first discovered radio pulsar... quite historic. Guess what it's period is.... 1.337 seconds. Booyah! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 15:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

there's also a microsoft program with a version number like 1.3.3.7... BootVis i think. is that in the article? tl;dr 202.220.172.68 (talk) 12:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Pwned and Owned Error

"Pwned is commonly referred to as "power owned", using the previous example that if the player with the inferior weapon killed the other player without getting hit, he would have "pwned" the player."

Actually Pwned started in counter-strike as "Pistol Owned", that and it is right next to "o" on the QWERTY keyboard so people do it as type —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.247.131 (talk) 04:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[1] Machete97 (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Leetspeak

Why is this article all about Leetspeak ? Leet is an adjective someone as elite. This page should be renamed Leetspeak and Leet split off into another article. Machete97 (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

| 4m 13373r 7h4n 4ny 0f y0u. Y0u 4r3 411 n0085.

Now I don't really mean that, but, who can read that like normal english? I can, and that's pretty sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamoose Minimoose (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

el oh el

What does thus have to do with the article? RC-0722 ^361.0/1 14:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm better than you all, I'm 1338! lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.40.35 (talk) 14:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

| 4m 13373r 7h4n 4ny 0f y0u. Y0u 4r3 411 n0085.

101 7|-|47 15|\|7 3\/3|\| |-|412|) 70 |\/|057 0|= |_|5 , 4|\||) Y34, 7|-|15 15 P12377Y 54|) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RubberDucky985 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

What does thus have to do with the article? RC-0722 ^361.0/1 14:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

EverQuest Commands

I believe that the use of commands that begin with a slash is not a direct reference to EverQuest. The use in leet most likely comes from chat rooms in general, more specifically IRC. EverQuest's chat system is just like every other MMO that uses /actions: styled after real chatservers. -- 75.177.116.134 (talk) 22:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to say that myself. I've never seen it characterized as leet, and use it myself because I use IRC a fair amount; I didn't even know it was in EverQuest, and many MMOs do use the system. I'd say the section should be removed from the article, or at the least the part about EverQuest. Baseballbaker23 (talk) 02:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

the "/" command absolutely did not originate in EverQuest. it has been an IRC standard for decades as "/me goes for a walk" = "Anonymous goes for a walk" and various other implementations. it is sometimes used in chat or message boards, etc. but it is not leet speak. Rather, this is an example of internet lingo (such as "LOL" and ":D") that shortcuts a statement with a well known command. the "/" can also stand for "end" as in "/thread" which is commonly seen in message boards and forums to declare a discussion to be over. this is based on HTML and other markup languages which use two tags to begin and end an object in code: <example>example</example>. Again, INTERNET LINGO and NOT leet speak. 202.220.172.68 (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Rcampbel3 (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC) References to Everquest should be replaced with correct history. irc's use of "/" commands dates back to 1988 (reference: http://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html ) while Everquest was not released until 1999 - internet relay chat used the "/" character prepending text to indicate a command. If the command was "/me ...", then IRC servers interpreted this as an action such as "/me bangs his head on the wall!" causes "* IRCuser bangs his head on the wall" to be displayed in IRC clients

Anarchy Online

Not that it's important or anything but in Anarchy Online there's a mob type named leet that tend to speak in simple l33t. Just a litte fun fact I guess.. Luredreier 03:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Some Facts

im like only a fraction of the way through reading this and ive noticed several things very very wrong. from the outside looking in many of these things would seem correct and only those things can be written about because as far as i know the only citable things about leet would be written from the perspective of someone outside looking in this is a big problem because only noobs who think they know how to speek leet and wanna show off their skills actually talk completely in leet and use i guess what would be very accuratly described as this articles description of leet. leet isnt used to exclude people from understanding what you mean its used as emphasis or to get around chat filters. but a good bit of leet is actually making fun of people who try to use leet. xor is used to kinda make fun of people or joke around like if someone kills you you could say dude i like totally haxxored you. its typed sarcasm. saying omg!!!111!!!1 is either making fun of noobs who get so excited they wet themselves and cant remember to hold down the shift key or it means you got so excited you wet yourself and forgot to hold down the shift key. however it is okay to use a bunch of exclimation points or lots of question marks or a combination of them if your excited and questioning.

n00b dosent really have anything to do with skill (although its generally not applied to newbs) its meant to say you suck as a human being. example is say someone team kills you you call the guy a n00b. (a noob can be used as any of the three terms or as all three or it has its own definition) noob isnt really an insult it just means your not new thus not a newbie but your still not good noob is someone less skilled then you. im not even going to try and explain the other types of noob as they arent that important.

Change

Under the section Upside down "(If viewing on windows, it is sometim..." Should include a link to the OS Windows.

n00b

quote"Some examples of Leet include: B1FF and n00b, a term for the stereotypical newbie; the L33t programming language;[5] and the webcomic Megatokyo, which contains characters who speak Leet."

this is false, n00b is to refer to someone who is acting more like a moron, jerk, offender, hater, lamer. It is not to refer to a stereotypical newbie, which is simply a newbie (a person new to the game) n00b is an insult, newbie is just a current state of knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.75.227 (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Not True. n00b can either mean what you're saying, or it can actually mean a newbie. lrn2internets —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.116.134 (talk) 22:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

ur d0!n !t wr0n9, n00bl3+z. for all grammatical purposes, "n00b" is equivalent to BOTH "newbie" and "nubile". the neutering of the final syllable is quite intentional and follows the tendancy of both internet lingo and leet speak to simplify vocabulary and demphasize the lines between appearance and actuality. thus, a "n00b" is both a beginner and a fool regardless of any actual experience. 202.220.172.68 (talk) 12:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

spelling of Grammar

Is the mispelling of the word "grammar" ironic? If not, can someone please correct it? Vriana (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Gay, Fag, Homo etc

I think something about homophobia in leet should be mentioned. Anyone who has read leet will know that these sort of words are a favorite with leet speakers. 82.2.209.127 (talk) 13:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

u m33n l!k3 f4990+ry, 94yn355, & h0m03r0+!c? 202.220.172.68 (talk) 12:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am teh 1337357

Oh yes I am.