Talk:Wall of Sound

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WTF??

This is trash, the real wall of sound is the kinda thing used in metal, not some crap by this spector guy... I think this should have something to do with the technique of instruments used, not just reverb shit... That would cover the REAL wall of sound

If you live to be older, you may someday understand, but you probably won't. As Heinlein once wrote, "the Meth is a harsh mistress". Wall of Sound preceded metal (you douche). Also, check out the Grateful Dead's PA from the mid-70s.

Examples?

anyone have any song examples by artists that really use this type of orchestration?

I know Trent Reznor uses the reverb-room method for his percussion. Instead of putting a drum machine directly through an artificial reverb effects machine, he'll take a drum machine and some speakers in a room, put a microphone somewhere else in the room, and then record it. Just about every synthesized drum you hear in a Nine Inch Nails track is actually a recording of that drum synthesizer being played in the location of some room. --69.234.183.71 20:06, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wall of Sound (disambiguation)

There are several meanings of Wall of Sound. there is a well known music label called "Wall of Sound" that promotes mostly electronic music - i actually expected to find a page about that label when i searched for "wall of sound" in the wikipedia. therefore, i would start an disambiguation for "Wall of sound".

anyone with me? --Abdull 11:46, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can you describe your meaning of wall of sound? If it's a sound technique, it would fit onto this page. It's also used a lot for "avant garde" / experimental bands. Sonic Youth, for instance. I think it generally means solid, continuous sounds (i.e. drones).

Hey there, yes disambiguation is a good idea. Many fans of the Grateful Dead know the "Wall of Sound" to be the band's massive (and primitive) collection of onstage amplification tools used to produce, well, a wall of sound at concerts. This was used where there weren't house monitors available. (Please see the article "Grateful Dead" in Wikipedia.

Yes the wall of sound was the Grateful Deads huge P.A. they took on the road in the 70s.

As for merging, I don't like the idea. People will talk about the Wall of Sound whenever Phil Spector comes up (and on his page) but the technique is quite famous in music lore and people will want to know what "it" is, not necessarily only who the inventor is.

Thank you, Jon Anderson March 16, 2006 8:34pm (Tokyo time).

Examples of the wall of sound: Weezer - the blue album, the Rentals - Return of the Rentals, My Bloody Valentine, M83 -Matthew Lessman

Wall of Sound (disambiguation 2) :-(

Unfortunately, there is a 21st century meaning of "Wall of Sound" that has hardly anything to do with Phil Spector (it'd rather OFFEND the quality of his work!) but with mastering as loud as possible, see also Loudness_war. Maybe it could be added to Disambiguation page directly or to THIS page. Well, I'm as reluctant as mastering gurus like Bob Ludwig - answering a "make it louder!" request with: Do you REALLY want that? Seriously? - that is, not fire it on the page without asking first. -andy 80.129.89.152 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Examples?

I think it would be helpful to include some famous examples of this technique. But I don't know enough about this myself to add any... David Bergan 19:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"By My Baby" by The Ronettes and "Da Doo Ron Ron" by The Crystals were among the first canonical Wall of Sound songs to be major hits. Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run" is one of the earilest well-known non-Spector tunes to also use the technique.

"I Guess I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" by the Beach Boys or really the entire Pet Sounds Album. George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album also has the wall of sound in a big way. They Hey-dey of the Wall of Sound was the early 60s Motown hits that Phil Specter did with his distinct sound which was classifed as the Wall of sound. Brian Wilson and Lilywhite are probably the two biggest producers who ripped off the production technique.

-On that note- not sure if "Dancing Queen" is accurate. Does it use so much echo and room miking as Spector did? Again, it's important to note that "Wall of Sound" doesn't just mean "a ton of instruments." It refers to the way those instruments are echoed and processed to form a giant mass of sound in which you can't necesessarily pick any of the rhythm players out- in ABBA, on the other hand, i feel like the guitars and pianos may be many but are also individually well-balanced. Just a thought.

Merge with Phil Spector?

Discussion moved to Talk:Phil Spector#Merge. Hyacinth 12:03, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Implementations?

It would be interesting to know if the Wall of Sound technique is being reproduced with modern digital techniques and, if so, what those might be.

The "wall of sound" concept really only describes the birth of layering as multitrack recording developed (due to Les Paul.) Spector was the first one to widely employ this technique with impunity and the term originates WITH him and ought not be associated with the heavily biased and contentious discussions of "loudness wars" aka the practice of overlimiting final recordings in the MASTERING stage, because Wall of Sound is a MIX concept and this represent "definition creep" and belongs on urban dictionary, not wikipedia, due to lack of historical depth and lack of widespread usage. In addition to layering the use of reverberant spaces, tape delays, etc can be considered a part of it, basically you are talking about three dimensional mixing or spacial mixing, which came into its own even more with the introduction of stereophonic recording and producers like Alan Parsons. This article needs a cleanup from a real engineer.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]