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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 31

Articles created/expanded on August 30

I suggest combining into double DYK with next, below. doncram (talk) 20:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, i opened the Peshekee River Bridge article but mostly by cut and paste from Imzadi1979's U.S. Route 41 in Michigan. The two DYK's should be in one DYK double nomination, perhaps something like: ... that the 1906 Peshekee River Bridge (pictured), on U.S. Route 41 in Michigan, was the first bridge designed by the Michigan State Highway Department? (please credit to Imzadi1979). doncram (talk) 20:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Prose before expansion was just less than 2300, and now it's just under 3600 - that's not even a twofold expansion. Plus, the hook isn't particularly remarkable either. —97198 (talk) 03:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:WE177 Bomb On Trolley.jpg
An inert WE.177 bomb on its trolley in a museum.
That's a 314-character hook. You'll need to trim at least 114 characters to make it eligible.Cbl62 (talk) 05:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 29

  • ... that the periodical Owl and Weasel played a key role in the development of the roleplaying and wargaming hobby industries in the UK? -- 167 chars; "in the UK" can be discarded, if wished, although is more geographically-correct despite the impact being much wider across the English-speaking world.
- Self-nom./new article (and guessing 99.95% of people "do not know" despite tens/hundreds of millions of gamers worldwide :). Please critique/suggest improvements for possible usage, anyhow: I'd rather not name the behemoth of a gaming company (nowadays!) whose first periodical that was in 1975 (i.e. Games Workshop) on the front-page for non-commercial reasons but the publication was a key link in the chain to the modern gaming industry, via. pen & paper gaming and modern wargaming through to computer gaming, later on (Ian Livingstone/Eidos, also, at present). Would make a change to see a *non* computer-gaming/hobby article on the front page, too, IMHO, if possible.
- Please choose from either of the two images should you wish to use those also - both appear OK-ish off-hand at the "standard" front-page width of ~80px.
Many thanks; and for your time, David. Harami2000 (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Both images are fair-use and not eligible for the front page.Cbl62 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Apols.; I hadn't spotted that ruling on images but noted for reference, thank you. Feel free to take the DYK hook (now 167 chars) in its own right without illustration, if that's still good. Harami2000 (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that swimmer Trischa Zorn of the United States is the most successful Paralympian of all times, with 55 medals of which 41 are gold? - new article self-nom by Aridd (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Interesting, but in order for this to be on the main page you need to fill out the question marks in the medal box. Punkmorten (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hmm. I've found information on those 1984 medals at the IPC website here. The problem is, that only accounts for six medals. The International Blind Sport Federation says she won ten gold in 1984. She has to have, for it to add up correctly to 55 medals overall. The IPC itself confirms she's won 55 medals, and that figure is also indicated on a number of other websites. So there's a problem. Unfortunately, information on the Paralympics is notoriously difficult to find, and if the IPC is contradicting itself, it's not helping matters... I'm going to go through the IPC's list of US gold medallists, game by game, and see what I find. Aridd (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and reference all verified.Cbl62 (talk) 20:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues No inline citations. —97198 (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
hook now cited inline. Gnangarra 14:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could some of the redlinks be filled out (i.e. new articles created) before this hits the main page? Punkmorten (talk) 20:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Linked a couple of species to genus level articles, will work on creating articles for those that arent already though reluctant to create stubs just to remove red links. Gnangarra 11:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gaetano Donizetti
Gaetano Donizetti
Suggest: Commons:Image:Gaetano Donizetti 1.jpg (right). --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Nice writing, and this is very interesting. (Hook verified.) « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, what a charming thing's a battle!

  • ... that the 1770 burletta The Recruiting Serjeant has a sergeant cheerily describing the sight of "Heads, and limbs, and bullets flying" during battle (song, right) to a potential army recruit?
Nominated and created by Shoemaker's Holiday. You may want to tweak how the audio file is linked. It could be inline instead (I'd prefer it wasn't), but, hey, you have to admit a sound is a very relevant illustration for a musical entertainment. -- Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"musical" seems rather anachronistic for an 18th century piece. I believe ballad opera is the most accurate description of its genre. David Underdown (talk) 08:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have some sources calling it a "burletta". That seems a better term for something with as little plot as it has. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook is 223 characters long - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Amended to 199 characters: ... that despite jointly murdering at least 1,000 inmates at Auschwitz, former SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk earned the nickname "Papa Kaduk" among patients at the hospital he worked at after the war? WilliamH (talk) 16:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appreciative that the citations of these points are in German, I'll pluck them out for convenience:
  • ...am 19. August 1965 vom Schwurgericht des Landgerichts Frankfurt wegen ... des gemeinschaftlichen Mordes in mindestens tausend Fällen
  • ...und nach dem Krieg von seinen Patienten "Papa Kaduk" genannter Krankenpfleger in West-Berlin WilliamH (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 28

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor
  • Since the expanded article is on Henry Taylor, I think it makes sense to mention him first, plus the alt hook gives the impression that there were Britons before Taylor who had won 3 golds. (New image has been added to first hook). Nev1 (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I meant to say "first and only" but forgot. Now added to the ALT. BTW, I like the first hook's pic better. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still think Taylor should be mentioned first, but I suppose it's not too important either way. Thanks for your help, because of you I scrutinised the hook I wrote and altered it a bit. And you're right that a picture should really be present. Nev1 (talk) 15:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. I'm not picky with the order. I just thought the sentence would read better. Anyways,...
Andrew Carnegie
Andrew Carnegie
Suggest: Commons:Image:Andrew Carnegie, three-quarter length portrait, seated, facing slightly left, 1913.jpg (right). --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that in spite of the fact that development of the Vickers V-1000 jet airliner was canceled in 1955, its performance was so admired that the Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8 both had to be re-designed at considerable expense to compete with its six-abreast seating?
New Guinea Singing Dog
  • ... that non-dog dogs are accepted in the Sighthound & Pariah Group as purebred dogs by a major kennel club? The New Guinea Singing Dog is Canis lupus dingo not Canis lupus familiaris like regular dogs, but can be taken to a dog show anyway.--article expanded by Hafwyn (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC) --(self-nomination) by--Hafwyn (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (hope I did that right)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues I put the pre-expansion character-count at 560, and the expanded character-count at 2806 (just scraping past an exact fivefold expansion by 6 characters!) but, excluding the block quote per unwritten rule A2, we only get 1922 characters, a threefold (plus a bit) expansion. —97198 (talk) 13:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request for second opinion using the actual rules, please The "unwritten rules," from what I can gather, are not part of the official rules -- they appear to belong to some user and are not official Wikipedia policy. I would appreciate that this entry be judged based solely on what is official policy. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case I think it would be better to stick with the official rules as opposed to the unwritten ones. The article was initially unreferenced and of low quality and is now very well sourced and well written, an effort which should be taken into account. The fact that a photograph was also added should be considered in the expansion account. I would, however, encourage Ecoleetage to further expand the article's prose over the next few days if at all possible.Nrswanson (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Nrswanson! :-) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Five-fold expansion to 2,850 characters with no blockquotes. Ready to go. Article reduced in size of readable prose recently down to 1,832 chars, and 2,147 chars (respecively); with unnecessary blockquote reinstated via edit war. Not a 5x expansion anymore. Article expanded again to 3,028 chars and 3,567 chars (of readable prose) respectively. I would only hope the process wasn't as stressful as this. --Poeticbent talk 18:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify: There is no policy. We have vague rules, we have customs/habits/precedents for filling in the blank spots, including A2, and we have my "Unwritten" rules to put the customs/habits/precedents into writing. I now count 2525/561=4.5x expansion, although I don't object to making an exception. Art LaPella (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been copy edited and now stands at 2812. Attempts to copy edit the article's length to a significantly shorter character count in order to put the article out of contention after it was affirmed are inherently unfair to the validity of this process. I would ask that the Nrswanson and Art LaPella affirmation be recognised and the matter be considered closed. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I now count 3444 characters for 6.1x expansion. Art LaPella (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 27

Length and date ok. Currently 1,800 characters, not including infobox and the list in the demographics section. Source material in French. Perhaps a French-speaker can check the reference.Cbl62 (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reference, in French, mentions the mica ("la plus grande feuille de mica jamais extraite au monde"). doncram (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and date verified. Off-line citation accepted on good faith. Currently 2,380 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
:This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length OK at more than 2,500 characters, but the article does not support the hook. It refers to resistance to Portuguese and South African forces, but not "three different European states." An interesting hook could be developed with some work. Any hook should probably identify him as the last king of the Kwanyama people in Angola and Namibia. Cbl62 (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It mentions the expelling of German missionaries under the Christianity section. I will work on a different hook.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 03:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Atrium 2000, the $11.2 million primary campus of City College, located in Fort Lauderdale
Atrium 2000, the $11.2 million primary campus of City College, located in Fort Lauderdale
  • ... that City College, formed as a branch of Draughons Junior College in 1984 before becoming a standalone school in 1989, paid $11.2 million to acquire its current Fort Lauderdale campus? -- new article self-nom by -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Remuh Synagogue
Remuh Synagogue
Length, date and reference all verified. Currently 2,500 characters including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Question: Is it appropriate to have an ongoing courtcase on the main page? Do we need to say "allegedly" since the case is ongoing and what happened has not been proven in court? Maybe we should mention where this case is heard. Can we start a blog and hail anyone as a hero? --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(a) Why not? (b) No objection to that, but for me, "on trial for" is equivalent to "allegedly". (c) It's mentioned in the article. (d) Yes, anyone can do this, but in his case, he's notable because multiple reliable sources have reported on him being hailed as a hero by very many people (in authoritarian China, no less).  Sandstein  16:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and reference all verified as to the Arden hook. Currently 3,080 characters including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wanna link to United States at the Olympics? Pretty sure you weren't referring to the Americas. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
*Blinks* I thought I had it linked, but I guess not. Fixed. Cheers, CP 16:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wrote a new article on Russ Hodge, maybe someone can check if if satisfies the DYK requirements. Oceanh (talk) 01:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The citation at fn. 5 (cited as the source) appears to contradict the hook. It states: "The factor which probably most doomed Philadelphians' hopes of keeping the capital was the Yellow Fever epidemic of 1793." The url at fn. 4 does not link to any text to support the hook either. Cbl62 (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how much clearer it could be. Ref 4, the Crew book, clearly states "...Congress then sitting in Philadelphia was threatened by a mob of dissatisfied soldiers. This event took place in June, 1783, and was the cause of great excitement and controversy. Its importance in the history of the country is great, for from it may be dated the first decided intimation of a fixed and permanent seat of government; in other words, the necessity of a National Capital City, under the sole and exclusive control of the Congress, and independent of all State government and influence."
Ref 5 also says "The protest had been more annoying than threatening, but it made the point that Congress needed to be able to protect itself, and should not have to rely on the government of a host city or state. The idea took hold of placing the national capital in a district separate from any state, to be controlled by the Federal government." The information about the epidemic is also true; it probably did drown any hopes of Philadelphia keeping the capital. That said, the Constitution had been ratified and the Residence Act of 1790 that established the District had already passed by 1793. The fact that Philadelphia hoped to change Congress' mind in no way contradicts that fact that it was the failure of the state government in dealing with the mutiny that lead to the creation of a federal district. I would ask that this nomination undergo a second, more careful, review. -epicAdam (talk) 23:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm new to reviewing on the DYK page, and welcome a second review by someone more experienced, but since the selection of Washington occurred a decade after the mutiny, I would suggest the following alt hook to be more precise. I do think it's an interesting DYK hook and, if so modified, think it would be fine.Cbl62 (talk) 23:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT ... that the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 was a primary reason for the creation of a separate federal district to serve as the capital of the United States?
After reading over it again, I like the way it is phrased by Cbl62 above. -epicAdam (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had it as something like that originally but thought it was too long/convoluted. The following is more succinct, and since the federal district would have been created (regardless of its name or location), it still fits. 10 years really isn't so long a time... that's how long it took to make the new Constitution, and a federal district had been discussed by Congress in the interim. I think it's far more interesting that this one (relatively minor) event was the catalyst for the creation of an entire city. If not, the above suggestion still definitely works:
Length, reference and date OK now for the alt hook.Cbl62 (talk) 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The article lacks an in-line citation for the hook. It is also states that it is based on a pre-existing article from Spanish wikipedia. And the one external link is in German, which I cannot read. Currently 3,100 characters with spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looking for refs. Will try to make it before deadline if possible. Thx. -- Alexf42 15:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and reference all verified, though some clarification on "difficulties" could help the hook. Currently 2,500 charactes, with spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and date verified. However as a person not aware of Aijalon, the hook doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe additional words to explain what Aijalon is would help. Mspraveen (talk) 15:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I added mention of Aijalon being a Canaanite era city. I also replaced the link to Aijalon with one to Ajalon since it has more accurate information. As an aside, those two articles should definitely be merged, since they discuss the same place. Tiamuttalk 17:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and reference verified. Mspraveen (talk) 15:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The state Department" sounds too much like the U.S. State Department, and besides states have hundreds of departments, some of which enforce laws and some don't. Some alternatives: "police", "some police", "an L.A. police unit", or "Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department". Art LaPella (talk) 03:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about this one: *... that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department considers the Israeli-based Abergil Crime Family as one of world’s top 40 drug importers to the US?
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Length and date verified. Off-line citation accepted on good faith. Currently about 1,900 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Five-fold expansion, length, date and reference all verified. Expanded from 550 characters to 8,800 characters, spaces included. Cbl62 (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and date verified. Off-line citation to mushroom handbook accepted on good faith. Currently about 3,400 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The cited source (a local newspaper obituary) simply says that he converted his 1,100 acre cattle ranch into catfish ponds in which he raised and sold catfish for consumption, "becoming one of Louisiana's first entries into the industry." Not sure that really supports the hook about him having "pioneered the mass production of catfish." Cbl62 (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sixteen is not really that late. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Link needed for bowling - I presume she did not play cricket. Johnbod (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
alt: ... that professional bowler Patty Costello won seven events in 1976, setting a women's bowling record for most titles earned in a year? Zagalejo^^^ 18:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook verified. I first found this in the "Augsut 26th" section, but it was created on the 27th, not the 26th. Moved from the August 26 section to here. -- RyRy (talk) 08:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 26

This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Actual prose is only about 775 characters. —97198 (talk) 07:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Add "in Moscow", and ideally work in a date. Johnbod (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
or,
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  • My objection wasn't the acronym! It's to linking a random-ish phrase that is not similar to the article title. Sorry if I seem to be biting you...I am trying to express an opinion about this kind of links in general. SpockMonkey (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:VIRNI.jpg
I'd say the hook must be more specific. It must be explained why they were persecuted, maybe a connection with McCarthyism should be added. M0RD00R (talk) 10:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree %100. These aren't "factoids" or stand-alone bits of trvia. They are hooks. - SpockMonkey (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right. A hook, indeed, but a weak one. So many bad guys get the same treatment from the FBI. All this "hook" is saying is that the members of the Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance were considered bad guys worth keeping an eye on. Nothing more. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fond of hooks that are based on seemingly incongruous situations that invite further inquiry. From my perspective, that the FBI considered laundrymen bad guys falls into this category. I even think the very phrase "Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance" invites inquiry; when I saw it red linked elsewhere I immediately determined to write the article. - Boston (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Ejected"? You mean "expelled"? --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
From dictionary.reference.com: "v. tr. 1.To throw out forcefully; expel." How is your synonym better? XLerate (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
From the same source: note the gray rectangle distinguishing shades of meaning. Although that source doesn't really explain this, I believe the word "eject" has a more physical connotation than the word "expel", which emphasizes dissociation more than physical movement. As evidence, "ejected from college" (a condensed form of the hook) gets 17 Google hits but "expelled from college" gets 32,700 Google hits. Art LaPella (talk) 05:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The NYT ref uses expelled also, which I tried to avoid copying word for word. I was also trying to use interesting phrasing, per the Google hits "expelled from college" is bordering on a cliché. I don't object to the article & hook being changed. XLerate (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 25

Length, date, hook, and refs. confirmed, although the article should have technically been placed under articles created on August 26 and not August 25.Nrswanson (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Getty Kouros
Getty Kouros
Length, date, and refs verified. Offline sources accepted in good faith. Although I don't think its required it would be good to add the ISBN numbers for the offline sources.Nrswanson (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In fact the external link to the museum verifies the ref, rather more effectively than a 2nd hand source one would think. Johnbod (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, "West Hollywood" is not "California's Art Deco Sunset Tower".... I'd avoid that confusing comma there and say "... that the Art Deco Sunset Tower (pictured) in West Hollywood, California has been ....?" This hook needs to exceed 200 characters to be fun. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"[DYK:IDONTLIKEIT]"? "[DYK:ITSCRUFT]"? Do you have a better hook in mind? Or do you have a problem with the article? Or even the subject? --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying the article shouldn't exist, it's a fine article. But not every article that exists belongs on DYK. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 07:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll attempt to defuse what is brewing into a potential conflict here. Sherurcij I believe what you should have said is "can you suggest a hook that would be of more interest to non-sports fans?" Any article that meets both general Wikipedia guidelines (i.e. notability, non-POV, etc.) and the DYK-specific guidelines does deserve a chance at being featured in DYK. As long as they meet these guidelines, I think the only reason they should get passed over is if an editor has submitted too many similar articles in too short a time (i.e. episodes of a TV show, politicians of a given locality, etc.) and I think editors should show some self restraint and common sense by keeping them in their sandboxes and portioning them out rather than flooding DYK with 7 similar subjects in one week. - SpockMonkey (talk) 16:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pls specify era. The NBA did not have an annual draft in its early history. All players in the early days were not drafted just because there were no drafts. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the NBA proper has held a draft in every year of its existence. (By "NBA proper", I'm referring to the league that resulted from the NBL/BAA merger.) Zagalejo^^^ 05:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right... Thanks for pointing this out, Zagalejo. I got may basketball and hockey history mixed up. Sorry about that. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest: "find" -> "determine" or "establish". --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; I've changed it to "determine". I had originally used that word, but I changed it to "find" while trying to make sure it was under 200 characters, but it looks like I shrank it enough elsewhere to go back.--ragesoss (talk) 04:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook verified. Interesting hook. :) -- RyRy (talk) 21:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
or *... that Charles Ndaxu Namoloh, now a member of the National Assembly of Namibia, used the nom de guerre of "Ho Chi Minh" during the Namibian War of Independence?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The second is interesting. Punkmorten (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook is 244 characters long - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for dropping my name! -- that's funny! - Boston (talk) 02:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article is now a good article. As for hooks, I prefer the ALT proposed by 74.13.127.48. Maxim (☎) 15:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A small point, but the article doesn't actually say it tastes of shellfish, just that it smells of it. Can this be clarified? Length and date are fine. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"October 2009"? Crystal-balling? At least, pls use future tense. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How can it be crystal balling when it has a reliable reference? Changed to future tense. Punkmorten (talk) 16:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because things don't always go as planned. I ain't disputing the ref, but many things can happen in the next 13 months or so. He's named a director and scheduled to take office in October 2009. Whether he will actually work there is unknown till it happens. So either "takes over" or "will take over" is not entirely appropriate. However, I must say that this is a very minor problem and most people don't care. Perhaps, so should I. Thank you for fixing the tense. --74.13.126.115 (talk) 04:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I doubt very much that minor episode in Yom Kipur War is more interesting than, event of international interest. And more importantly Pinsk massacre is closely related with origins of this settlement, therefore this hook is way more educational that trivial fact mentioned bellow. M0RD00R (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All settlements have history, few are hist by missiles. I find the missile hit hook much interesting - and more neutral. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In that region settlements are hit by all sorts of missiles more than often, it is trivial to the history of Israel. The background of Gvat, how and why it was established on the other hand is quite unique, it connects the history of Poland, Belarus and Israel. M0RD00R (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a cite that this is a trivial and common fact? On the other hand, many kibbutzes were founded by EE emigrants, so its not surprising they are tied to EE places and history.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 03:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now its just plain WP:BURO. Yes I have a cite that Frog attack on Gvat is trivial fact. It was only one of seventeen such attacks in just three days (Crossroads of Modern Warfare By Drew Middleton, page 285). Anyone who has at least some minor knowledge in Middle Eastern issues knows about daily Qassam rocket attacks on Israeli settlements (List of Qassam rocket attacks) or Katyusha attacks by Hizbullah on Northern Israel of recent history, or rocket attacks on Israel during last Israeli-Lebanese war. In last two years Israel got hit by 900 rocket attacks every year (roughly three rocket attack a day on average). Really you can't find more trivial fact about Israeli settlement than rocket attack.M0RD00R (talk) 07:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda agree with M0RD00R on this one, the original nom is way more interesting. Manxruler (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whose ALT hook is this? --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues This article has URLs without names. That needs to be fixed first before a DYK approval.Nrswanson (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. M0RD00R (talk) 19:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Some of the sources this article uses do not look like they are reliable and/or independent. I'd like some other editors opinions on this before it gets approved for DYK.Nrswanson (talk) 21:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is verified now with a good source added by M0RD00R.Nrswanson (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 08:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and history verified; Chinese-language source accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, and first two hooks verified. Offline sources accepted in good faith.Nrswanson (talk) 21:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Adele Addison
Adele Addison
  • (alt.hook):... that soprano Adele Addison stepped into the role of Bess in the 1969 film version of Gershwin's Porgy and Bess as a last-minute replacement of a singer who sounded too shrill? - The hook does not need to tell us that she was a soprano or who wrote Borgy and Bess, but little tidbits like that, providing more context to the reader, are good to have, and should be left in there if they don't make the hook too long (<200 characters). --PFHLai (talk) 21:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see the 200 mark as the absolute limit rather than a size that's "ok as long as it's less than 200." I respect and value that some editors' don't agree with me on this, but I hope those who don't agree with me can at least "agree to disagree" on very friendly terms! - Boston (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just happen to disagree about the trimming, and I thought I should explain why i think certain things should be kept. I hope I wasn't unfriendly! --PFHLai (talk) 01:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You weren't but thanks for the courtesy! (c: - 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 21:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good suggestion. I think that blends the facts together more nicely. The only thing I would change is I would write "safari park" (even though it's longer!) as a safari park, especially in England, seems more interesting than a generic public park and lets us know that animals continued to be kept there. - Boston (talk) 00:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about "[[Knowsley Safari Park|public safari park]]"? --PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I linked it like that in my last suggestion but didn't use the "no wiki" brackets. Thanks. - Boston (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Now I understand what you meant by "even though it's longer". --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep both the "private menagerie" and the "public safari park"; it's the whole point of the hook. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and history verified; offline ref accepted AGF. Daniel Case (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Allerheiligen-Hofkirche
Allerheiligen-Hofkirche
- comment...Nice article. I might add the word "church" but I can see reasons not to. Your choice Victuallers (talk) 12:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Your welcome to add it (or the full translation "Court Church of All Saints") if you think it's useful and there's room. N p holmes (talk) 13:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"When in doubt, leave it out!" The best hooks are 100 spaces or less. - Boston (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, Boston, size doesn't matter. We should be paying more attention to the message and how it's presented in the hook. --PFHLai (talk) 21:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if these sources are sufficient enough. I'd like some other editors to comment.Nrswanson (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Link to newspaper in National Library of Australia. http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=john+hurford . There are at four newspaper reports of the incident, one from another State. She is also listed in the Dictionary of Western Australians: Pre-1839-1888 which indicates some form of notability, as well as a mention in the The Wollaston Journals: 1845-1856. Assize (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
She also rates a two paragraph mention in page 44 of "True and Infamous Crimes of Australia" Allan Peters ISBN9781920910822. Assize (talk) 23:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been rated as a stub by the Ethiopia Wikiproject.Nrswanson (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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