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USS Nevada (BB-36)

I am nominating this because I've worked on it for a lot of hours over the last few days and got it through a GA-review, and I think that it is a good enough article to pass A-class as well. Happy reviewing and cheers, the_ed17 22:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments I'm thrilled to see this moving up the assessment ladder, but I do have a few questions:
    • What makes the following sources reliable?
    • Consider removing the header "Service life"; as the entire article is essentially just that there really isn't any reason to have that as the lead header.
      • 'Service Life' is there to distinguish her life from her 'Design and Construction' section...should I remove it anyway and bump up the header levels for the rest? the_ed17
        • What I am getting at is that 90% of your article is service life, so it would IMO be better to remove that header and instead rely on the other headers in the article for sectional seperation. This was suggested at an FAR on USS Wisconsin (BB-64), the argument was that if the entire article was serivice history it would be better to have the WWII, Korean War, and Gulf war headings as main heading rather than being subordinate to a mast "service life" heading. Incidentally, this format has also been adopted by Brad during his continual update of the frigate USS Constitution. I bring it up here becuase I figure that it will be an FA issue, so its something I wanted you to think about before getting to the FAC page.
  • Otherwise it looks good. Well Done! TomStar81 (Talk) 23:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support.
    • I would consider renaming the "Between the Wars" section to something like "Interwar period," that sounds more encyclopedic.
      •  Done
    • "The overhaul took about a year; after, the battleship looked like a South Dakota-class battleship.[21]" That sentence sounds rather awkward, might it be better to have afterwords instead of after?
      • Does this sound better? "The overhaul took about a year and made the old battleship look similar in appearance to a South Dakota-class battleship.[21]"
        • Yeah, that looks good.
    • Link "the invasion of Southern France" in at the beginning of that section to Operation Dragoon.
      •  Done
    • Throughout that section there were a variety of grammatical errors and awkward phrases, which I've attempted to fix.
    • Thanks!
  • Other than those issues, it looks great. Good job and good luck at FA. Borg Sphere (talk) 20:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support Its a good article, but I am still a little concerned about those two sources. That doesn't bother me enough to oppose, but I would recommend asking about them at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard or removing them from the article before heading for FAC. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, mainly prose problems.
Woody's resolved prose problems
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  • ...how/where do I ask someone? I didn't know that someone could do that!
  • Left a message on Rama's talk page..I'll give it a day or too.
  • I think this could be deleted under the speedy criteria given that it is a replaceable fair-use image. One could be made available, it just isn't available yet, as such it is not Fair-Use and should be removed from the article in my opinion. Woody (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date formats: having recently audited the dates of many US battleship articles and a smaller number of US military aircraft articles, I can safely say that nearly all of them (> 95%) use international DF. Until the whole autoformatting thing came up at MOSNUM, I hadn't realised that the US military uses international DF. It's written into the current proposals for new guidelines on the selection of DF. Tony (talk) 01:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be ok if I took a try at it? Probably easier than trying to explain. --Brad (talk) 22:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Go right ahead. =) Thanks! -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 22:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. What you think now? --Brad (talk) 23:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine, but I added the "Attack on Pearl Harbor" section again—every other 'slice' of WWII has its own heading, so Pearl deserves one too. If this violates a guideline that is buried somewhere in the MoS, then I'm gonna go and cite WP:IAR.... =) Sorry. -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 02:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your referencing is a bit heavy on the danfs article. Any possible way to reduce the cites to danfs by about half? What is the idea with all the "Quotes" throughout the article? And in the last sentence of the article "As of 2008" automatically makes your article obsolete. --Brad (talk) 23:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not really...as with most U.S. warship articles, DANFS is the primary source, but I can't use one cite for an entire paragraph because all of the paras have more than one source (with the exception of the "Okinawa and Japan" section)!
Third party references are not found at the DANFS article. They would be first party references. Would serve ok as secondary references but not primary. --Brad (talk) 01:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mean the quotes like "huge engineering advantage"? I put them there because they are borderline POV, and quoting the source directly removes that problem.
Removed. =) -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 02:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article meets the term {{Quotefarm}} in its present state. --Brad (talk) 01:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed a few of the quotes; does it look better now? -talk- the_ed17 -contribs- 15:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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