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Regarding "alliance of" or just an "Islamic militant terrorist organization"

Quote: "... Alija Izetbegovic was willing to accept any help it could get, military or financial, including that of a number of Islamic organisations, such as al-Qaeda.". Here, al-Qaeda is called an islamic organisation, while the article starts with "... is an international alliance of Islamic militant terrorist organizations...". Shouldn't that be fixed? -- Kirjapan (talk) 13:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

What "fixed"? Al-Qaeda is Islamic organization (too). --HanzoHattori (talk) 14:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to figure out what they are, with all the misinformation from the neoconservatists and the current US government. -- Kirjapan (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed change:

Al-Qaeda (also al-Qaida or al-Qa'ida or al-Qa'idah) (Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʕida, translation: The Base) is an international Islamic militant terrorist organization, or alliance of organizations, founded in 1988[4] by Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden...

I've seldom heard of it refered to as an alliance of organizations except in wikipedia --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean, it might be Atheist? Or Christian? --HanzoHattori (talk) 13:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, how about:

Al-Qaeda (also al-Qaida or al-Qa'ida or al-Qa'idah) (Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʕida, translation: The Base) is an international Islamic militant terrorist organization, or an international alliance of Islamic militant terrorist organizations, founded in 1988[4] by Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden... --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

We no longer call Egyptians barbarians do we? What is the purpose of using an ethnic slur to define a group which at no point has ever accepted the stance of being a "terrorist organization". In the article set aside for the Ku Klux Klan there is absolutely no mention of it being a terrorist organization however it is there mission statement that violence is the only way to solve their problems. Not only that but this article also goes on to give a list of organizations that use this slur. Wouldn't it be unnecessary to call them terrorists than make an attempt to argue they are terrorists? Either they are or they are terrorists or they are being considered terrorists, if there is not a universal acceptance than the beginning of this article is misleading. If you remove the contradiction perhaps the article would look proper were it started like this:

Al-Qaeda (also al-Qaida or al-Qa'ida or al-Qa'idah) (Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʕida, translation: The Base)is an international alliance of Sunni Islamic organizations founded in 1988[4] by Azzam (later replaced by Osama Bin Laden...

It is the only way to remove a direct biased in the introduction of this article. --Zakhebeone (talk) 2:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Introduction is not biased. Go ahead and add the word "terrorist" to the Ku Klux Klan article, but do not censor this article. --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You call me a censor, I call you a bigot, unvalidated my statement or leave the article alone. --Zakhebeone (talk) 5:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The opening description i.e. "an international Sunni Islamic movement founded in 1988. Al-Qaeda have attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001" is not exactly a generally accepted fact. It would rather appear to be a loose association of various extreme Islamicist (not simply "Islamic") groups. 84.188.251.62 (talk) 21:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. The opening paragraphs and many sections in this article are biased and misleading. There is not a shred of evidence that there is something like an Al-Qaeda terrorist networked organisation. This image has been fabricated by neo-conservatives, exaggerated by the media and thankfully accepted by a handful of radicals as free media exposure for their ideas. I think it is sad that Wikipedia is abused to turn fantasies into fabricated realities for political reasons.
Can I therefor suggest to change this article into a document that only describes the historic timeline of the imagined international network of terrorists and the spin around it? I am not saying there are no terrorists, I am disputing that there is a global organisation behind this, since there is absolutely no evidence. It is not the first time in history that things that don't exist simply become reality after you just repeat them again and again. Wvdc (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

There is plenty of evidence and I wouldn't advise attempting to censor the article with conspiracy theories. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Fear of US Retaliation?

The article has a sentence which reads: "Evidence has since come to light that the original targets for the attack may have been nuclear power stations on the east coast of the U.S. The targets were later altered by al-Qaeda, as it was thought that the US retaliation would be too great.[101][102]"

I can find no evidence in 101 or 102 supporting the assertion that the plan was altered BECAUSE of fear of US retaliation. This is what 101 says: "It also showed that two unnamed nuclear power stations were the original targets of the September 11 plot, known to its perpetrators as the Holy Tuesday Operation, but al-Qaida feared that such an attack "might get out of hand"." This is as close to the statement as I can find in 102: "Bin Laden also had to wrestle with demands by Taliban leader Mullah Omar, who provided al Qaeda sanctuary in Afghanistan, to avoid direct attacks on the United States. Many of bin Laden's own advisers sided with Omar and urged him to call off the plot, the report shows."

I think that this sentence should be altered. AThousandYoung (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Changed, out of fear of retaliation. ;-) DeeKenn (talk) 15:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a typo

in paragraph 1, it states Al Qaeda was founded in 1998. That should read 1988. ToshiBoy (talk) 07:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

AL-QAEDA IS NOT A TERRORIST GROUP!!!

Please see this testimony that states that AL-Qaeda is not a terrorist group. It is in fact an actual computer database and computer system used by the Islamic Bank for Development in early 1980s. Part of the system's memory was used for the communication of the Islamic Conference's secretariat. Many groups and nations had access to this database, one of which was an important family of the banking and business world by the name of bin Laden. The groups and families used the database's email system, some of which were affiliated with rouge states. However, the point is that Al-Qaeda is not a terrorist group but a computer database. Furthurmore, if you read the article linked to above, you will see that recent terrorist attacks have been carried out by guerrillas, not international terrorist groups. On a final note, GW Bush and Co. said that Al-Qaeda is hidden within the depths of the US and could be plotting our downfall at this vary minute, and yet no terrorist has ever been found. A few have been suspected, but have been proven innocent. I could go on about how the group that Osama bin Laden is affilliated with is not a terrorist group and could give you the history of that, but I don't want to bore you. If you want the full story, watch The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis. Zubachi (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

While TPON is an excellent film, I'm afraid you are making a simple error. "Qaida" is Arabic for "base", so it is used for things as benign as computer databases, to bases of Islamic fundamentalism. I'm not suggesting either is true, merely that your logic is faulty. In addition, the bin Laden family is very large and very prominent. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 21:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Name of article

Zawahiri merged his al-Jihad (the struggle) group to UBL's al-Qaeda (the base) years ago, and the group now refers to itself as Qaeda-al-Jihad (base of the struggle) in all its media productions through as-Sahab. Even though Western media likes to simple refer to al-Qaeda, I think we should follow the WMF Manual of Style and use the name by which the group self-identifies, Qaeda-al-Jihad. Who knows, the media may even slowly begin following suit. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 21:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The Russian invasion of Georgia

Has al-Qaida made any statements on this just yet? I can see them either being enthusiastic that a US ally has been invaded, or apprehensive that Russia could be gearing up for new adventures in the Middle East along the lines of Afghanistan, or most likely both. Google is unhelpful on the subject, but I'd expect anyone watching this article to be better-informed than most. ExOttoyuhr (talk) 14:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

No statements yet that I've seen, though I imagine Zawahiri will make mention of it in his next video release. From a completely amateur point of view, Zawahiri makes much more of global events, while UBL largely ignores goings-on in Asia/Australia/SouthOfTheHornOfAfrica. But I imagine those opinions will belong in Zawahiri's article, not here? An argument could be made either way I suppose. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 01:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Zawahiri will make mention of it in his next video release or whatever. Al-Qaida has nothing to do with the Russian invasion of Georgia. AdjustShift (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Jermey Reynalds should be Jeremy Reynalds

see [1]

Jermey is a surname! ;-)

Jon Jermey.

Image: Recent Attacks?

What is a "recent attack"? The image is unclear. 66.215.162.112 (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image: Cheney/Sultan?

What is the purpose of the Cheney/Sultan picture? I understand the section deals with US/Saudi relations during the Iraq invasion of Kuwait, but neither person is mentioned anywhere in the entire article text and neither person is a member of Al Qaeda or an affiliated organization. This seems random and probably has an associated POV. Fooburger (talk) 22:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)