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Coatrack

While the school is probably most notable for the Palin's right now, eventually the information needs to be trimmed down as this seems like a WP:COATRACK. Eóin (talk) 03:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Could you provide some suggestions as to what I should remove in Sarah Palin's section? I'm not really sure what to trim down. Cunard (talk) 04:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Who is Levi Johnston? Unfortunately yes I do know of him from the media inserting themselves into his life. The article appears to assume the reader knows who he is without explanation or wiki link. I see from the edit history he was not in the article prior to Gov. Palin becoming the Republican presumptive nominee for Vice President. The line stating his relation to the Palin family was removed, probably for not being encylopedic. Either he needs to be removed from the article too or something relevant needs to be written about his relation to the Palin family that doesn't look like tabloid trash. Skywayman (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and removed the section on her. This article is about the school at to go into much more detail then to say she went there is biased. She is mentioned in the opening and in the alumni section. The other details should be in her article not the school. GtstrickyTalk or C 01:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could we come to a compromise about this section? I'm thinking about maybe keeping this part: "On August 29, 2008, the day John McCain announced Palin as his running mate, Wasilla decided to create T-shirts honoring Palin's nomination. Wasilla's principal, Dwight Probasco, declared that the shirts would read "Wasilla High School, home of Sarah Palin and the Warriors." I agree that the rest of the section that you removed should go. Cunard (talk) 05:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That seems fine if it is sourced. I would say it would go in the alumni section and make her a sub catagory of that section not create its own section just for her (if that makes sense). Like this maybe:

Notable alumni

Sarah Palin

The Governor of Alaska and presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election.[1] On August 29, 2008, the day John McCain announced Palin as his running mate, Wasilla decided to create T-shirts honoring Palin's nomination. Wasilla's principal, Dwight Probasco, declared that the shirts would read "Wasilla High School, home of Sarah Palin and the Warriors."

Why "presumptive" ?? In a few hours it is "official" as if it's going to change. --CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was a cut and paste from the current article. She was probably added last week and presumptive seemed fitting then. GtstrickyTalk or C 17:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Palin

The husband of Sarah Palin and First Gentleman of Alaska[2]

Bristol Palin

The daughter of Todd and Sarah Palin. GtstrickyTalk or C 16:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've broke the alumni section into third-level sections with the information mentioned above. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sex Education

I read the article that was linked in the article, but I didn't see anything saying that it was NOT abstinence only. I do acknowledge that in this article, that the principal said that he's "not sure," but thinks that it's not abstinence only. This article should be linked, along with an explanation that the principle is unsure.

Take a look at the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District health education scope documents (the school is a part of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District).

All of the documents that discuss the type of sex education offered contain instructions that abstinence only education should be taught (especially the high school one), but NONE of them indicate anything about teaching about contraception. In fact, I couldn't even find contraception mentioned in them.

This suggests that if it's not abstinence only (it may very well be), that it has a strong bias toward abstinence. We could quote the policy from those documents. The principal's statement that Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a "teaching moment" should also be included.

-Nathan J. Yoder (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The principal's statement that Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a "teaching moment" should also be included." : Why? This is an article about the school, not about Bristol or Sarah Palin. --CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It helps indicate the school's stance on sex education. He did call it a "teaching moment," after all. -Nathan J. Yoder (talk) 19:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Bristol Alumni

The articles say she went there but transferred to a different school. Is she considered alumni? GtstrickyTalk or C 14:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bristol Palin is definitely not an alumnae of Wasilla High School. She transferred to another school and still hasn't graduated from that school yet, but she did attend this school and her attendance may be notable. There are two ways this issue may be fixed. 1) We can remove Bristol Palin from the list because she is not notable enough to have an article of her own (Bristol Palin redirects to Sarah Palin#Personal life). Or 2) We can retitle the Notable alumni section to be "Notable people" as in the featured article Stuyvesant High School#Notable people. I prefer the second option because then we may be able to expand on Bristol's impact on the school. The section above this one is discussing whether the principal's statement of Bristol's pregnancy being a "teaching moment" should be included in the article. If it is decided to include Bristol in the section about sex education, then she should be mentioned as a notable attendee of the school. I've reworded the title of that section to be "Notable people." Feel free to remove Bristol Palin from the notable people list if you believe she doesn't belong there. Cunard (talk) 21:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to most definitions former students even if they do not graduate are considered alumni. I think the "Notable people" title is used to include teachers. Either title seems acceptable. Eóin (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest leaving Bristol Palin out of this article. The Wikipedia community consensus elsewhere was that she did not need an article and was known only for one event. Additionally, editors were concerned about WP:BLP issues. As she grows older and asserts herself more, she may merit her own article and a listing here. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 04:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Standards of inclusion as a notable alumnus are lower than those required to merit an individual article. At a minimum, there would seem to be no reason not to include her in her mother's listing, say "Palin's daughter Bristol attended Wasilla High for part of her junior year" with the source provided. She is already mentioned in her mother's article, and there would appear to be no genuine BLP issue with mentioning her attendance at the school, regardless of her notability. Alansohn (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how there's a lower threshold for notability for alumni than for articles. We have a lot (200+) of guidelines and policies and Im certainly not up to speed on all of them-- is there something about levels of notability that applies here?

Here are some other discussions:

--A. B. (talk • contribs) 05:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added Bristol Palin into her mother's listing per your suggestion. According to Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people, "inclusion on the list should be determined by the criteria above" in the WP policy. So you're right. Since Bristol Palin isn't notable enough to have an article, she shouldn't have a separate entry. But due to her recent media coverage, I believe that she warrants a brief mention in her mother's section. Cunard (talk) 03:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minutia

I cut all the headings introducing 2-sentences each. This article is filled with minutia, even now. Please try to add more relevant info in the future. Thanks, LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 04:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Rovito, Michael (2008-08-29). "McCain taps Alaska gov. Palin for VP". Today's News Herald. Retrieved 2008-08-30.
  2. ^ Kizzia, Tom (2008-08-30). "'Maverick' McCain pulls off surprise". The Charlotte Observer. Retrieved 2008-08-31. She (Sarah Palin) eloped in 1988 with her high school sweetheart, Todd Palin.
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