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One Relief, Two Kings

The articles on Xerxes and Darius each have pictures of the very sam relief from Persepolis, (note the damage) and each article attributes the portrait to its eponymous king. Is it a relief of Xerxes? Of Darius? Is this question disputed? In any case, the image from the article on Darius is of much better quality, so it should be used once we've established a reasonable caption. 75.71.66.105 21:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found it!, here. It was originally placed in the eastern stairs of the Apadana, which were built by Darius, so it's agreed that the depicted king is him. A twin relief (we have it here and here too; see also this page) was originally placed in the northern stairs of the Apadana, which were built by Xerxes, so some think the depicted king is him, but it is disputed (in fact, Xerxes only finished the Apadana what his father had begun). In any case, there is no doubt about our relief: the king is Darius. Both reliefs were later removed from the Apadana and placed in the Treasury. Our relief is now in the Teheran Museum, but its twin remains in Persepolis. So I'll replace the "Xerxes" image with this one, making it clear that it is not agreed whether the king is Xerxes or Darius. Amizzoni 23:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism Edits

I'm not sure how the article got so thoroughly vandalized, but I just spent a good twenty minutes removing snippets from all over the article. That vandalism persisted through numerous legitimate edits, so I'm asking everyone to please take a minute to read over the entire section you're editing before you leave the page. Some of the vandalism was almost a month old. Thanks! Spectheintro 14:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)spectheintro[reply]

Proposed move to Darius the Great

I think it is a good idea to move the article to Darius the Great, as that is in fact the common name he is known by in the English language. After all, we also have Cyrus the Great and Alexander the Great, not Cyrus II or Alexander III. Shervink 16:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As there has been no response in three weeks to the proposed move, I understand that nobody opposes the idea. So I will proceed with moving the article. Shervink 08:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have two books on my shelf one says Darius I and the other just Darius. Are you sure that the Great means anything other than his tittle was "Great King"? But tho I disagree with the move let it stay as it is for now.Dejvid 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"the Great" has nothing to do with the title "Great King". All Persian kings held the title, but many of them are not called "the Great". However, I believe that Darius I is more common than Darius the Great, in spite of his greatness :P Amizzoni 17:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How Many Provinces?

The present edit says that Darius organized the Persian Empire into twenty provinces. I believe the correct number is 120 provinces, which were expanded to 127 before the end of his reign. It is also worth mentioning that under Darius the Persian Empire reached its zenith. Xerxes had lost several provinces prior to his 12th year. Cadwallader (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He had 20 great satrapies. These were subdivided into smaller administrative units ruled by hyparchs (also sometimes confusingly called satraps). Those are probably the districts you are referring to. I would call the larger units satrapies or great satrapies. --Syd Henderson (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (expired)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result was no consensus. Vassyana (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The current title is out of line with other Persian monarchs (Xerxes I of Persia, who was Xerxes the Great, and Cyrus the Great, who is not titled "Cyrus the Great of Persia"). Remove the redundancy. Srnec (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Book of Daniel's Darius the Mede is famous enough to preclude simply "Darius", but if we go with ordinals, shouldn't it be Darius I of Persia for consistency, or would you move all the others to simply "Name + Ordinal"? Anyways, I think the nickname is more informative, since I doubt many people who are not well-informed of him already know what his numeral is, but perhaps his nickname. Besides, we already have Cyrus the Great. Srnec (talk) 18:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for including country in European monarchs is the likelihood of their being ambiguous with monarchs of other countries. The chance here is much smaller (Armenia? Atropatene?) so we don't need to do that, any more than we use Akihito of Japan.
I don't think that this nickname (or indeed Cyrus the Great) actually distinguishes him for anybody. Neither is actually common in English; they're modern Iranian nationalism at work. If Cyrus needs disambiguation from his distant descendant Cyrus the Younger, he should be Cyrus the Elder. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't think the nicknames distinguish these figures? I do. I've always known them as such. Since I was a kid. They are more common in English than either ordinals or "elder/younger". Can I ask why you believe this is Iranian nationalism? I have never heard that before. Srnec (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which them have you always known as such? The two Cyri, or Cyrus and Darius?
I believe that Cyrus the Great was titled by Iranian nationalists, because it was written (at least the text that I reviewed when it was presented to FAC some time ago) by Iranian nationalists. I am open to persuasion that this is common usage; but the OCD is a standard source. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I meant both Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great.
I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that the figures were nicknamed by Iranian nationalists, not that their articles were only titled by them. Google searches for Cyrus seem pretty definitively in favour of Cyrus the Great. Darius I seems to have a slight margin, however the searches were difficult to perform for Darius without getting "false positives" either way. I will let you perform any Google searches yourself, if you care. Outside of that I don't know how to demonstrate that the cognomen is to be preferred, but either way I want this page renamed. Srnec (talk) 05:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move

The current title is out of line with other Persian monarchs and is redundant (there is no other Darius who is the Great except one of the ones who is also of Persia). I prefer Darius the Great, but seeing as it failed as "no consensus"... Srnec (talk) 23:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Darius III Codomannus. Notice this search and how the first hit is "Darius the Great". The only other Persian king to make the first page is also "Darius the Great". All other "Darius" mentions are to companies or modern figures. Srnec (talk) 05:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, did anyone notice that the move from Darius I of Persia to Darius the Great of Persia was carried through with essentially no discussion? The mover said he wanted to move to "Darius the Great," got no response, and then moved it to Darius the Great of Persia. There was never any consensus for the current title. john k (talk) 16:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ethymology

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.173.120 (talk) 01:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

78.151.173.120 (talk) 05:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)The name Darius is of Lithuanian origin and still is very popular name in Lithuania. It originates from the verb 'daryti'=to make/to act/to be doing smth and consequently Darius means both and being making/being acting/being doing and the man who is doing/acting/making...Zeus Bottiaeus in Lithuanian language 'Dzevs Botiaus' means God of our ancestors (Aleksandre dedicated altar to Zeus Bottiaeus)...Aleksandras in Lithuanian language 'A(t)lek(e)s Antras' means born second and Macedon 'Manke Duona' means knead bread...Hun in Lith. 'Gunas/ganytojas' means pastor/shep-herd and Atila 'Eitila' means going/runing the office...Ainiai is the name of ancient Greece tribe and in Lithuanian language that means posterity/antecedents78.151.173.120 (talk) 05:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ascension

There is no section on Darius' ascension to power by the asassaination of the "Magian", who was impersonating Smerdis, the murdered brother of Cambyses. Darius and the "7" who killed the Magian then sought out the best form of government, with the decision being based on whoever's horse neighed first in the morning, would become King. Darius, through deception, won the contest, as told by Herodotus, book 3. anyone mind if i add the section? Nathraq (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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