Talk:Prospekt's March

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The title is definitely Prospekt's March. The song is directly referenced in an official Coldplay.com journal entry (from last Christmas). The link to that is at http://www.coldplay.com/timeline/2007_12_06_001.png. My apologies if my referencing isn't 100% in accordance with guidelines, I'm rather novice when it comes to Wikipedia protocol! (I didn't know how to change the actual article title, either.)

Before this is immediately reverted to Prospects March (which I fear will be the case), perhaps the subject should be discussed here.124.168.199.109 (talk) 11:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the title is spelt with a 'k' (and an apostrophe) as used on the official Coldplay website. Outrune (talk) 11:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a proper reference, since it isn't talking about the EP. -- I need a name (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's very anal of you to assume that the song and the EP have nothing to do with and will be spelt differently from each other. Outrune (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The journal article from Coldplay.com clearly references a track that was intended for Viva la Vida... but did not make the final cut. Since the BBC article post-dates that journal entry and also comes from direct interview with band members, it should be safe to assume that if the song is included on the EP the title has been changed. Cbing01 (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The trouble is the BBC article is transcribed from a radio interview, and it's very likely that the band didn't check or confirm the spelling before it was published. The edit warring needs to stop until it's officially confirmed one way or the other, but I'm almost certain it's going to be "Prospekt's". Agree that we should keep at "Prospects" for now, since the BBC is the most reliable source we have - unfortunately I think the reliable source is wrong in this case. — Matt Eason ^{(Talk  Contribs)} 15:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The title of Coldplay's upcoming EP should be changed from Prospect's March to Prospekt's March. While a number of news articles have cited the name with a C rather than with a K this is most likely a mistake made by uninformed writers and editors and not the intent of the band who clearly indicated they had written and recorded a track during the sessions for Viva la Vida named "Prospekt's March". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.68.114 (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't wait to see the people who insist on calling this EP "Prospect's March" be proven totally wrong. We all know that it's going to be Prospekt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.162.125 (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leftover Tracks from the Viva La Vida Sessions

There is no reason to remove the "Leftover Tracks from the Viva la Vida Sessions" section. This is valid information that is not in dispute. All of these tracks appeared on the Coldplay website as tracks that had been recorded during the Viva la Vida sessions, save for the full version of Life in Technicolor, which has been confirmed as complete by Chris in various interviews. The interview with Chris, and this page itself, makes it clear that this is where the tracks will be drawn from. This section only shows a collection of possible selections that may appear and does not state that these tracks will be on the album. It is mearly meant to give people an idea of what tracks may appear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.162.125 (talk) 06:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Listing these tracks is no different from the list of tracks that were present on the Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends page prior to the release of the confirmed track list. All the list gives are the names of a number of tracks that Coldplay confirmed had been recorded during the sessions in their Prospekt journal entries. Since Chris said that these are the songs they'll be chosing from, it's relevant to the article for now.

Per WP:PROVEIT (part of the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability), "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." I am reluctant to remove this unsourced section as I don't want to tear up old wounds, but those who know their way around Coldplay fandom and have seen the sources should really cite the sources accordingly, or should be prepared with the removal of unsourced information. – sgeureka ^t•c 10:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any REAL Coldplay fan who's worth their salt knows that there isn't anything wrong with this information. If you want a reference you can go check out the timeline page on the Coldplay website, I don't have the time to waste doing it though. The majority of the tracks in this list can be found there, and it's only those ones that I added to the page when this all started. The tracks like Bucket for a Crown and The Dubliners which were listed off in other places I don't have a problem with them being taken down, but tracks like Famous Old Painters, Glass of Water, Poppy Fields, Leftrightleftrightleft, Rainy Day and Prospekt's March were part of the sessions as noted by Prospekt. All this list is there for is to show that these were some of the left over tracks from the sessions that Chris himself said would be where the tracks would come from. Once the actual track list is made public, just like happened with Viva La Vida itself, the rest of the tracks can be removed. Until then, leave them there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.148.48 (talk) 22:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And a REAL wikipedian knows to cite his sources, which brings as back to WP:BURDEN. Welcome to wikipedia. – sgeureka ^t•c 00:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, funny. I seem to remember a lot of the confirmed tracks for the album being listed on a "Leftover Tracks from the Viva la Vida Sessions" section that was removed by some people who thought for sure that Lhuna would be included. Huh, where is Lhuna on the track list anyways. Maybe citing your sources doesn't always guarentee correct information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.173.47 (talk) 05:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability, not truth. If you want to take issue with the policy do it on the talk page there, not here. — Matt Eason ^{(Talk  Contribs)} 11:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lhuna (with Kylie Minogue)

I would argue that the line about Lhuna having been previously confirmed by Chris Martin but having been removed from the final tracklisting should be removed. I don't think it was ever confirmed (yes, I know about the article). Rather I think that it was just Chris running his mouth again, as he is known to do, and that the track was never really intended to be included. I'm not saying that the track isn't out there, but it was never meant to be part of this general movement in Coldplay history. Besides, how is it relevant to the article about an upcoming release to talk about tracks that aren't going to be on the disc? It just sounds to me like someone got burned on the whole tracklisting issue and is now trying to save face. I guess my real arguement is that it is no longer relavant information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.68.114 (talk) 13:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Always nice to see that others know my intentions/feelings better than I know them myself. But anyway, is there a reliable source that cited CM to have said that Lhuna would be part of the EP, or isn't there? Wikipedia doesn't do anything wrong citing that source until proven false. (If you have a source stating otherwise, please present it; otherwise, we're engaging in WP:Original research.) – sgeureka ^t•c 16:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ooo, someone did well in grammer school. "Wikipedia doesn't do anything wrong citing that source until proven false." Where did you learn the English language? Regardless, the last and best reason to remove the reference to Lhuna from the Prospekt's March page is that it's not going to be on the EP, making it irrelevant information. Besides, Chris Martin has proven (and takes pride) in the fact that, in interviews, he is the least reliable source for information about Coldplay on the planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.68.114 (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]