Talk:Two Minutes Hate

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Orwell may have been influenced by the Guy Fawkes night holiday in British culture, in which people burn effigies of purported national enemies — historically Guy Fawkes, but today others can be used (in recent years figures have included Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush).

I would like to see some evidence of this, as it strikes me as completely unfounded and made up - where is the 'link' between Guy Fawkes Night and a '2 minute hate' ?

Highly unlikely, and probably written by an American. Guy Fawkes' certainly wasn't a new thing at the time Orwell was writing. Can't say I remember any concept of burning Bush outside of Exodus.

Isn't it Two Minute Hate?--Acebrock 19:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Just checked my copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four. It's "Minutes," plural. Hbackman 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

The article is pointlessly short, and mostly composed of recapitulation of what is said in the Goldstein (which is the only that links it) or 1984 entry; it should be merged. --Malyctenar 12:04, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I for one was glad this article was here so i could direct someone easily to the reference instead of having them search through a longer article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youdontsmellbad (talk • contribs)

Remembrance Day

I find it hard to see the proposed link between Remembrance Day's two minute silence and the Two Minute Hate speech. One is a poignant reminder of those who lost their lives in wars and how grateful we are to them to be alive and free, and the other is propaganda to brain-wash people into hating Goldstein. Ridiculous. Whoever wrote that needs his head checked out, because he's seeing hate everywhere.

Deleted relevant section.

Although it could of course be argued that the two minutes silence to remember the hundreds of thousands of dead is pathetic and irrelevant and mocks the hundreds of thousands who died -two minutes for thousands of lives. Some anti-war people say that glorifying the dead is not right whatever the reason -I disagree, but its possible because 1984 deals with anger and the evil of war, yet in reality positive things do come from war -of course 1984 is a dystopian novel so it can be idealistic. I never made the connection between the Two Minutes' of Hate and Silence until I read your comment. Now that I have, I can't imagine that the link could've been anything other than intentional. It fits completely with the Orwell's expositon of the true horror of everyday life in 1984. It is exactly those thing you associate with the Silence that Orwell warps to darkly ironic effect. The Haters are being brainwashed to see exactly what you describe - hate everywhere.