Talk:World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

Release date

A few websites allow people to pre-order the game, listing May 30th 2008 as the release date. Here is the page from play.com (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3438174/World-Of-Warcraft-Wrath-Of-The-Lich-King/Product.html) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.243.67 (talk) 19:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC) comfirmed with HMV in the UK to be Released on the 30th May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.239.163 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

We will add it when and only when it is confirmed by an offical source untill then we will leave it blank. Joeking16 13:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

It is listed on bestbuy.com as a pre order with a release date of November 3 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaviermagnus (talk • contribs) 08:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I have heard that Wrath of the Lich King is going to be released on June 7th 2008. My uncle works for Blizzard Entertainment as a Graphics Designer. He said that they are finishing up the last touches. It will be realeased soon.TheLightElf (talk) 18:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC) ON FEBRUARY 29TH 2008

• Sorry, but I don't think "My uncle works for Blizzard" works as a valid source. Th 2005 (talk) 18:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I know...i'm just saying...It's not official...just temporiarly thrown in the air if you wanna use it...:)

I think the general consensus is that we're going to add a release date once Blizzard announces it officially, but thank you anyway - and don't forget to sign your posts. :) Th 2005 (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Amazon.com lists it as "This item will be released on November 30, 2008." (http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Wrath-Lich-Expansion/dp/B000VJTJNE) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.37.193 (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The general policy is to ignore dates by Amazon and other retailers until we get an official announcement from the publisher. --Donovan Ravenhull (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Patch 3.0.1

Is it okay if i add that the Content Patch that will be released for WoW will be delivered October 13th?

• It will add all the new talents, spells, proffesions, ect.Grimreape513 (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Need source. --Izno (talk) 15:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

All that's been said is that October 13th is the target date for the end of Arena Season 4. Whether or not the patch is that date remains to be seen, and as far as I know it hasn't been said. Corath (talk) 22:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and frankly, even if Blizzard did say that October 13 was the planned date for the patch, patch dates are never set in stone. --Stormie (talk) 09:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, its October 14th, and guess what, at 5:30 am central time I downloaded the Patch, but left for work, so, will I be able to post the CONTENTS of the patch in 3.0.1 or just post them here? Grimreape513 (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Interviews

Ok, so, apparently there are interviews with Blizzard developers that this is confirmed and if I find any truth to this, I will post these interviews. -Cam^T|C 11:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

That, more than likely, won't be enough. Just about everything in this article is speculation, nothing is sourced and the entire working of the article hints that this is little more than a rumor at this point. -- Jelly Soup 11:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed

The new expansion was confirmed, and I have to changed the article to reflect this. Also, I have added features that were announced at Blizzcon 2007. Thylacine222 18:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep looks like the rumors were true for once, good job Thylacine222

Martinj63 18:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

New Races?

Do you think there will be new races? If so, what would they be?

Chances are there won't be new races, nothing was announced that would even hint towards that, and we wouldn't really be able to speculate on wikipedia. Thylacine222 21:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It's pretty much a 100% certain there won't be any new races.

Do you mean new races in general, or new playable races? -Cam^T|C 03:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

New non-playable races was already confirmed - like the Vrykul.

At this point we have not even a mention for new playable races. That's all we can say, we are still so distant to the release - see the time they waited for reveal the draenei in TBC. wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 10:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it was not denied either. So at this point, we cannot throw out the possibility of new races. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 05:36, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

well to be honest (as of this post) its only been a MONTH since it was announced, and its going to be at least 7-9 before its all released, and the draeni and BE's weren't announced until the 4th month of production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.73.152 (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Well, actually there will be the Death Night...which is a race and a class in one. The only problem is that it is started at a rater high lvl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demonteenager (talk • contribs) 19:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Are the new Death Knights going to have a seperate start zone or will they be starting in one of the preconstructed Main cities: i.e. Exodar, Stormwind, Ogrimar, Undercity? Nikku33ninja (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I believe they will start in another world( like outlands)TheLightElf (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

They already have a confirmed starting location, they will start in a Necropolis in Eastern Plaguelands that will be visible by those without the expansion and accesible to those with the expansion. Makes sense really, EP is a 55-60 zone, so why not start there instead of wasting data making a whole new starting area just so it will be ignored and abandoned like Silvermooncity and Exodar. Im not being sarcastic either. Message to all proxy blockers, UNBLOCK THE WIKIS. (talk) 15:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Outlands is restricted to 58+. Northrend is restricted to 68+. There is a 98% chance that DK will be starting in the main cities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.10.1 (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Arthas End game boss?

On the Arthas page it says it has been confirmed that Arthas is a End game boss, I did not see anywhere on the offical announcement where that is mentioned.

A ton of info was released through Gamespot's blog earlier today

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraftwrathofthelichking/news.html?sid=6176111

and it says that you'll be able to fight and raid against Arthas. So I think that means he can be considered an end game boss. Metalhead0043 04:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As Illidan, if Arthas is going to be a boss, I think he will be shown only in a latter patch. wildie·wilđ di¢e.wilł die 11:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Arthas will be the end game boss of this expansion. He is the lich king. You will probably get the sword "frostmourne" off him. which is similar to the sword of a thousand truths that was in the southpark. and archimonde or maybe cenarious will be the expasion after that boss. Nerubians will be a new spider race. A'nub'urak. will porbbaly be a raid boss. maybe second lvl 80 raid. ice trolls/ wendigo's/ mammoths/ frost scorpions will be new mobs. Hasent anyone ever played the warcrafts stratagey games lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.237.146 (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm, why would Cenarius be a boss..?17:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.199.218 (talk)

Archimonde is already a boss, Cenarius is dead and was friendly with the night elves anyhow. haven't you ever played the warcraft strategy games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.213.94 (talk) 10:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

TBC required?

Is there any info on whether The Burning Crusade is going to be required to use this expansion? 71.112.137.71 02:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Nothing is announced yet but I'd say it's reasonable to assume you'd need TBC. It would be very difficult to level from 60-68 or so in the old world zones. Metalhead0043 04:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The devs said they hadnt decided for sure yet but would probably go the route of including burning crusade free with Wrath of The Lich King 83.104.138.141 03:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

They said Northrend's going to be 68+, this probably means you're going to need TBC to enjoy Northrend. 85.101.143.79 07:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

This is just an opinion, but I don't think there'll be a large demographic of people who will want the second expansion but not the first. However, since there's bound to be a player or two, perhaps there will be some extra level 60-68 enemies added in the core game or second expansion. That, or the first expansion will be required for the second. --85.5.180.111 09:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC) Guys get serious of course you would need TBC if you need The first world of warcraft to install TBC then you will need TBC to install WotLK-This one guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.160.226 (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Please: On Contributing

Please if you're going to contribute to this article at least present your additions in a somewhat Encyclopedic format. In other words don't copy and paste opinions from the WoW general forum. Many of us are watching and it will be deleted. Martinj63 03:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the instances section. Hopefully it's in a good enough format for Wikipedia. Metalhead0043 04:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it encyclopedic to compare Northrend to a croissant, of all things? Why not a half-moon? Stryik 19:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Half-moon would work as well, it just didn't pop into my head when trying to describe the shape. Looking back, hunger may have helped my failure in describing it better than "crossaint-shaped". Sorry, folks! - fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

NO! it is not HALF MOON! It's a croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) shape. Half moons are leaner, and more pointed, while croissants (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) are more bulbous in the center with rounder edges - like Northrend. Croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) is the more appropriate physical description for the geographical distinction of the continent of Northrend.

I agree with the above post, Crossaint is a more accurate description... --209.114.128.60 15:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Then probably the best wording would be "cresent", as croissants are cresent shaped :P Rjcomputergeek 13:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

ACTUALLY, your wrong, a croissant (IPA: [kʁwa'sɑ̃] ) has a very distinct shape that is similar yet very importantly different - such differences have clearly been spelled out in my C1 9above post. My opponent has basically dropped my entire case, while I have contested and provided evidence against his own case, proving that you should vote AFF this round.

Crescent is definitely a better descriptive word. For a start the word croissant, a French pastry, comes from the French word for Crescent which is, yes, croissant. Since this is an English-language wikipedia the shape is like a crescent, not a croissant. To describe it as croissant-shaped is simply poor English and consequently unencyclopedic.Inbetweener (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Croissants carry bad connotations to many of our readers, I say that because I hate them, whilst the half moon is a more beautiful shape, therefore according to WP:policy we should take the half-moo.172.188.104.238 (talk) 08:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you give me a bad connotation from Croissants, because hating something is no reason not to include it, and point out where abouts in WP:policy it says that. Joeking16 (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a joke right? Right? I find it hard to believe that so many spent so much time debating the merits of using moons or pastries to accomplish such a simple task as to describe the shape of an object. Although I must admit to enjoying a certain level of enertainment regarding the subject. And if this WAS serious: to those who carry hard feelings towards a particular food...I could just as easily say the half moon is a horrifying shape and ~I~ hate it. Hence I don't see how one's personal opinion equates to encyclopedic merit and i am afraid i will have to disagree with that argument. 12.10.217.50 (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it ok if i delete the whole Crescent/Croissant stuff so our reader wont get distracted and puzzld?Grimreape513 (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Release date

I noticed someone added a release date of April 1, 2008 without a source. Is this confirmed by Blizzard or is it a date that was set by a retailer?

edit: literally seconds later it was changed to August 2008. I'm hoping we are not on the verge of an edit war over fake release dates. Metalhead0043 19:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

One of my guildies saw the August release date and thought it real, I had to explain that I could come here and edit the page to reflect tomorrow as a release date if I wanted.

No, but i just saw today in www.amazon.co.uk the presell of the expansion and they say that it will be out on january 18, 2008. does someone knows where does this information came from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.232.186.226 (talk) 18:17, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

I work at a GameStop, and the company has recently started taking pre-orders for the expansion and our release date is in November 2008, which seems somewhat logical I suppose. BurningAfterTheDawn 01:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

How did it gets it current spring 2008 release date? Joeking16 (talk) 12:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Release date has been set by blizzard as Nov. 13th 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.140.52 (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Sources

I don't know about many WoW news sites aside from WOW Insider and the official website. If y'all find good sources but aren't familiar with how to do citations, put the URL address or magazine info in this section so I or others can add the info into the article. Even sources for information already in the article is good, so it doesn't seem as if we're drawing all the info from one or two places. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

cover art

this is a the addresse for the cover art:

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=647156

You realize that cover art is just what they call an "unofficial mockup"? Gamestop put it together, it's in no way official.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 06:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I doubt it would have just that picture, but instead have a more intricate design, such as the older WoW cover arts. -Cam^T|C 03:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

oh im sorry it looks like my cover art was correct. stupid nerds cant even get it right.--24.10.15.177 06:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Is it too early to add a criticisms section?

The way Hero classes are being implemented there are plenty of criticisms that can be sighted from the gaming industry, gaming media and gaming community. It is being generally compared to the failed MMORPG SWG and there "unlockable Jedi Class" Not to mention the plethora of "Lorelol" remarks from the WoW community at large. I just think before we wake up to huge paragraphs of "Dis iz y hero claz sUxXorz" there should be a fair and balanced criticisms section.

Thoughts?

Martinj63 22:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You can't even begin to comepare the Deathknight to the old Village SWG Jedi (yes I am an ex-SWG player). They are not similar, at least not the way it is looking. From the way this is looking, we can expect to see it more as a "secret video unlock" in a Tony Hawk Skateboarding game, considering that the existing character will not become the Deathknight, and I doubt it will require the 3-8 month grind that SWG did. As for the criticism section? I think it is too early for that, also, this is the encyclopedia, not a forum. -Cam^T|C 03:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not the old Village SWG Jedi, but the Holocube Jedi? yes there seem to be many similarities, but as you said not a forum Martinj63 02:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need one period. People will always find something to complain about, especially the jokers at the WoW forums. Maybe a "reaction to Death Knight/hero classes" subsection under the Death Knight section might have some use though. Any other criticism related to WoW should probably be on the main WoW page since this expansion pack doesn't seem to be straying far from what the previous releases are like (aside from the Hero classes). metalhead0043 205.157.110.11 17:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

A criticism section may be a little early, but I can't still get my head round the new planned Death Knight class. Alliance would never accept this class because Arthas became a Death Knight, helped destroy Dalaran by defending Kel'Thuzad who summoned Archimonde who destroyed Dalaran. So I would think that the Alliance would not accept this class because of possible traitors. As for the Horde, I can't really picture a tauren death knight (!). The only race that would probably be fit for the class would be Blood Elves, but then I'm not sure they would want Death Knights because the Death Knight Arthas destroyed Quel'Thalas. Well hey, thats my opinion. Emperor Jackal 10:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Bloodelf? aernt you forgetting a certain walking, talking, cannibalizing zombie class named Undead? Message to all proxy blockers, UNBLOCK THE WIKIS. (talk) 15:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well... you could say almost the same things about the Warlock class. But... wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 10:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I had an idea. No other sources yet, so i posted it on talk, but what if the death knight will belong to a new faction, such as the scourge, and they added more hero classes, and the new PvP location will be scourge vs. everyone else! this would fit perfectly into the lore, and maybe they would develop it to be a viable faction as the alliance or the horde? **EDIT** Maybe its a splinter faction that used to be the scourge or the burning legion, but would be made up of nerubians and similar races that wanted no part of the alliance or the horde? It would make sense too, because the quest chain could be to kill Arthas, and as such the character would be one freed pf arthas's mind control. Eh? Speculation. Llewenyerg 18:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I was actually hoping they would get a third faction for the scourge, ive always wanted to play for them, they need the help of players. And you know what, your right, if they made every race have the Deathknight class, why not skip the factionholding and give us the alliance to the scourge? Message to all proxy blockers, UNBLOCK THE WIKIS. (talk) 15:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Neither is a forum.

Sorry. Try wowwiki.com - wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 18:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The most recent information given from the Blizzrd staff in the WoW official Forums all say that, although considered "Hero", the Death Knight class will not be more powerful compared to the already existing ones. Of course, there will be classes it may be more useful against certain classes (Similar to, say, a Hunter vs. a Mage in 1v1), it will not be over-powered. It is simply a new class, and according to one blue poster, it is simply called 'Hero' for both the difficulty in obtaining it, and for the classes special place in lore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.183.252 (talk) 20:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Would it be better to use the more general Criticism of World of Warcraft to capture all sourced/published criticisms of WoW and it's expansions?Gazimoff (talk) 12:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you could add content there regarding Wrath of the Lich King, but I can't imagine what criticisms could possibly be of any encyclopedic relevance since the product hasn't even been released yet. Online whining about what people think the hero class might be like certainly wouldn't qualify. --Stormie (talk) 21:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. There isn't much solid, sourced criticism kicking around at the moment as the expansion itself has only been described in information released from Blizzard or in closed demonstration areas. While it is possible to have criticisms on announced content, they are probably not encyclobedic unless they are verifiable and notable. Neither of these is likely until the game hits the shelves.Gazimoff (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Request to remove the Icecrown section?

Considering that Blizzard has not officially confirmed that the Arthas encounter will be at the Icecrown Glacier, should we have the page saying it will? I understand it is the most reasonable assumption, but from the concept art, and cinimatic involving Icecrown, it does not look like a place that could easily fit 10, 20, or 25 people, and Arthas in an "epic" fight. It is possible that the encounter is somewhere else. -Cam^T|C 03:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure I saw in one of the videos at BlizzCon that the RAID against Arthas is in fact in Icecrown Citadel. I'll find the source video and link it. However, it's also stated that he won't just appear in a raid fight, but will infact be found throughout the expansion. --Marc ^Talk 12:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed, I read it on the WOTLK site, gimme a few hours to dig... Grimreape513 (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Inscription

Has Blizzard given any official examples on inscription? The phrase "Pure Guess" dosent seem encyclopedic to me--- Pigmandelux

Some information was given out at Blizzcon, but from my understanding, not much. Some examples were states, such as "A knckback effect to fireballs", etc, but as I said, not a lot. -Cam^T|C 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay i was just wondering-Pigmandelux

Blizzard said that insription is like enchanting <example> you can inscribe a weapon to also do fire damage. I saw a little bit on X-play awhile back no link oh well-this one guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.160.226 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Inscribers produce scrolls and add buffs to spells. Other than that, I don't know anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.27.34 (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Naxx?

Has this been confirmed? It's listed in the instances section as revamped but I only heard that Blizzard was considering changing this instance. Could someone find a reference? Desdinova 16:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it's just rumors for now that they will be forming Heroic versions of older raids. Just speculation for now though. -Cam^T|C 01:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a rumour. Of course it's a good idea and would be nice and stuff, but for now I've removed it until there's a viable source. --Marc ^Talk 18:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No confirmation, but even if Naxx is not "redone" it's incredibly likely there will be at least one Necropolis similar to it. 12.146.22.19 (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ebon Hold, not only is this where the Death Knights start at, it is also a necropolis and many other death knights (Baron Rivendare and The Lich King himself) reside there. Also, they will be moving Naxx to Northrend, it was confirmed in an interview with Jeff Kaplan. Its in the references. Grimreape513 (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings Rise of the Witch King Connection

I it just me or is it suspicious that Wrath of the Lich King is such a similar name to Rise of the Witch King and the two games have such similar covers? Is it meant that way as a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir Akroy (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

And this is Encyclopedic how?? Martinj63 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The cover is not even an official Blizzard creation, so you can't use that as an argument.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 10:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to add this to the encyclopedia or make any argument, I was just commenting.Sir Akroy 01:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a place for general discussion however if the connection can be confirmed by an official source it could be an interesting bit for the pop culture references section.Rjcomputergeek 14:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't any real similarity between the names other the witch king and lich king and the lich king is already in warcraft lore also what would you prefer it be called if not wairth of the lich king" it would probably be "wraith of that guy". Joeking16 17:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Well,the name would look nice if it would be "Rise of The Lich King",but he had already began the Plague in Azeroth,so the only thing he could do is to unleash "His" wrath upon the living.The other option is if the name could be "The RIse of The Lich King",that would represent that "He" rose up from "His" Throne and unleashed "His" wrath. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashka203 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

New Information found with Link Playing

Someone was screwing with the links and found this. You may want to take a look at this, it has some good info on the new dungeons. Fangz the Wolf 02:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Death Knight

Ok I have changed the information on how to get a death knight, it was posted that you need to take part in a number of quest but the correct way is you have to level a character to somewhere between 55-70, however I am edited from colleg,e and I can't get the website as it is posted on the european offical forums, which are blocked from my college, it is in one of the stickied threads in the wraith of the lich king section of the forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeking16 17:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone change the info on the death knight; they do not use runestones, they ingrave runes on their weapons instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.37.229 (talk) 18:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Done, not sure where the "runestone" thing came from, the referenced articles about Blizzcon all refer to runes not runestones. --Stormie (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone messing with this entry The information about the crazy turtle form and all of the stuff about Death Knights taking Warlock abilities is a joke by someone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.233.254.6 (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

New information: In an interview with Blizzard employees working on the expansion it was revealed that there will be 6 runes per weapon, each "renewing" every 10 seconds. There is talk about a spell that will instantly cooldown them all at the same time. Also, there will be immensly powerful spells wen a rune bar is filled by using runes frequently such as summoning times pets (undead most probably) amazing hack and slash moves or even turning a dead party member into a controllable ghoul! —Preceding unsigned comment added by SL2lord (talk • contribs) 13:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The lore as to how Death Knights leave the Scourge is part of the starting chain of quests for the class Vulture12 (talk) 19:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Did they ever release how we would be getting talentpoints as a Deathknight? or are we going to start off with 41 already? Message to all proxy blockers, UNBLOCK THE WIKIS. (talk) 15:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I managed to get into the Beta, and the way they have it right now is by doing the "starting experience" you'll get talent points as you complete quests. By the time you finish all the quests, you'll end up with the appropriate amount of talents (plus the 3 you get from the levels gained there). After that, it's one point per level as normal. However, since it's still the beta, I'd hesitate to put anything in the article until it's live. Corath (talk) 15:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Some misconceptions under the Deathknight entry: "Currently each tree has talents that help speed up the cooldown on a certain set (blood, frost, unholy) of runes". The talents that sped up rune cooldown were taken out on build 8820 (2 builds ago) and replaced with other talents. Also runic power is nothing like rage at all. Warriors get rage by taking and dealing damage. Rage is based on the amount of damage given/taken. Runic power is gained at set amounts based on the spell being cast (ie, Howling Blast gives 20 Runic Power when used), no amount of damage taken increases Runic Power. This comparison of Rage to Runic Power is misleading. "The Death Knight will also require an additional resource called Runic Power to cast some of their more powerful spells" - The phrase "More powerful spells" needs to be removed here. Spells cast by runic power are simply suplement spells to be used while runes are on cooldown. There is nothing more powerful about spells cast using runic power. Lastly, Druids equip idols in their ranged slot not symbols. DreamerDCLXVI (talk) 23:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

So, what your essentially saying is that runic power will be gained by casting lower level spells, and the more runic power you get from lower level spells charges up higher level spells, but during the whole process, Runic Power is never consumed, it just rots away when out of combat. Is that the gyst of what your saying? Grimreape513 (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no confirmed release date

Any date claimed in the article is pure supposition. Release dates given on various websites (such as Amazon) are up solely for the purposes of pre-ordering, which is why all these sites conflict with one another. Until the date has been confirmed by Blizzard, any date given here must be seen as speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.65.224 (talk) 02:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep absolutely right. Any date which is added without an iron-clad reliable source will be removed from the article - and plenty have been already. When Blizzard announce a release date for WotLK, it will be big news, there will be no shortage of sources. --Stormie (talk) 07:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

2008

Yes, I added a 2008 date. I can do scans of the product catalog saying "Coming 2008" if you like, but it's verifiable because anyone can go get the catalog from the chest. Also, it's been reported several times that Blizzard has said that they'll be releasing an expansion pack a year. Last one was in 2007, so no matter how you define "Year" (as far as I can think of) one's got to be released sometime in 2008. If you'd like more sources on the "once a year" thing, I can source my source if you like. If you'd like that part removed from the ref, that's also fine. McKay (talk) 06:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest removing that second thing, as even though they've said it, it's already been over a year since TBC came out. While it could be construed not quite so literally, it's a weak statement, and especially without a source link. --Izno (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm unsure whether any citations will be sufficient in this case. But at least separate it from the other reference. --Izno (talk) 03:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not it has been over a year isn't really an issue, as it doesn't keep them from releasing one "once a year". They could release one January 1st of one year, and the next on December 31st the following year, and even though they'd be released nearly two whole years apart, it would still count as one release per year. *boggle* WtW-Suzaku (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by a Blizzard employee that the release date will be the 29th of May, 2008. I'm not really sure on how to reference things properly, but there is a link to European Blizzard Poster confirming the date here. http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305562782&pageNo=1&sid=1#2Sir Corless (talk) 09:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems pretty obvious that Aeus is joking in that forum post... --Stormie (talk) 04:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted this edit adding a reference to Amazon's release date. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines#Release dates - "For unreleased games, vendor sites should not be used as verifiable sources since their date is likely based on their best estimate of when the game is to be out." --Stormie (talk) 23:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Watch X-Play summer games preview on April 29th 2008 They might show The Release date for WotLK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.160.226 (talk) 16:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard has announced Nov. 13th 2008 as the release date for wrath of the lich king epansion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.140.52 (talk) 16:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Azjol'Nerub

I do believe that, in an interview with Games for Windows (September 2007 issue), Azjol'Nerub was stated to be an entire "underground-outdoor zone", large enough to contain massive structures and cities, and is not simply an instance, though it will contain multiple instances. WtW-Suzaku (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe I have seen a similar claim in an interview as well. Appropriate revisions should be made to the article. Deiaemeth (talk) 18:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Teleportation "Confirmed by Blizzard"? Source, Please!

I believe that's self-explanatory. --Joshmaul (talk) 08:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything to confirm this, I suggest someone removes it until we get some evidence. - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 09:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleted as unsourced. Gazimoff (talk) 10:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Just went through the page history, this was added in a bunch of edits by the same user along with other vandalism, so I doubt that it is real.[1] - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 12:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Bard

The Bard hero class "announced" by blizzard was an april fools joke, please stop adding it to the article. - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 13:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It might not be enirely a joke. They might ACTUALLY be doing a bard class, although not nesisarily a rock-themed-guitar-hero ripoff like one. Only time willt tell. Untill then, you might mention the april fool's joke...--72.88.221.225 (talk) 00:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I think if they were going to later add a bard hero class to the game, they would not have made a joke about it. the fact that they made a joke about it makes it an extremely unlikely hero class. Plus, it wasn't in warcraft 3, and i think a lot of the hero classes will be coming from there. i could be wrong, but i don't think so. Iamsodeman (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard confirmed it was an april fools joke somewhere, I'll try to find the link. - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 02:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, didn't take long; on Blizzards main site they say "We hope you enjoyed our April Fools' Day events. If you missed them, check out this year's jokes" followed by 4 links, bard included. - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 02:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

OKay, the bard class was just a joke, please dont get in a fuss about it. In other video games, a bard is someone that sings songs...i really don't think Blizzard will add something that iggnorant into the game. Well, they have to add new characters every couple of years, so eventually..they really might actually put it in there..with a few millon races(just kidding) but really, i cant wait til it comes out.. PEACE!!!!! TheLightElf (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"That ignorant" - not sure what you are calling ignorant exactly, a bard isn't exactly ignorant though. I'm pretty sure the bard exists in other MMOs such as EverQuest. It's not a silly class or anything. 92.3.48.22 (talk) 10:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Picture?

Didn't there used to be a picture of the box art for WotLK at the top of the page? Even if there wasn't, shouldn't someone get around to adding that?--CrazyOmega (talk) 15:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

There did used to be a mock-up of WotLK box art on the article, but there was no source information on it, nor any indication who created it (obviously it wasn't an actual photo of a WotLK box since it doesn't exist yet). The image was removed without comment here and later deleted as an orphaned fair use image. Normally I'd restore it, given that circumstance, but I'm not comfortable doing so without any source information on the image. --Stormie (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Gamespy article

GameSpy posted a good preview. Have at it. :p JAF1970 (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Friends & Family Alpha

Well, it seems that the first Friends & Family Alpha test of WotLK has begun, and already lots of details of new spells, talents, etc. are being leaked out to WoW fansites. So this seems like a good time to pre-emptively point out that a leak on a fansite is NOT a Reliable Source, and it would NOT be appropriate to add material from such leaks to this article. --Stormie (talk) 00:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that a lot of the leaked information has since been taken down at Blizzard's request. It's probably not worth getting into legal hot-water over speculative information from unreliable sources.Gazimoff ^Write_Read 18:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Information to add about the leaked Alpha version

Could someone add this in the middle of the "Beta test" section please? This is not a scam, you can verify by yourself, it is on the worldofwarcraft.com website.

The old link: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/beta/WotLK-FF-enUS-downloader.exe

The new link: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/beta/WotLK_enUS/PlayWoW-WotLK.exe

Text to add, after the first paragraph:

However, an alpha client version of Wrath of the Lich King was leaked, but you would need a special key from Blizzard to connect to the official test servers. You could get the client on the website of World of Warcraft. After Blizzard realized that persons used the client to connect to illegal test servers, the file was moved to another location.

fr:Wyll 17:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Joke?

"The Death Knight is not considered a pet class because of this." It's quite obvious to the absurd. They already announced that it's a HERO class.

I think by "pet class" they meant heavily focused around a permanent or long-term pet, like Hunters and Warlocks, it's a reasonably common term when discussing this style of game (e.g. in WAR White Lions and Squid Herders are referred to as pet classes). But I agree it's a poor sentence and have removed it. --Stormie (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Learn terminology, OP. The clarification that it isn't a pet class fit well, considering that some people may be confused as to whether or not the class can be played as such due to the inclusion of summonable ghouls. The sentence, or some form of it, should definitely be added back to the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.10.1 (talk) 16:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That sentence seems confusing. Please clarify your point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.97.233 (talk) 05:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My point is that the first comment was pure ignorance. Some mention of the Death Knight's playability as a pet class needs to be added back into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.10.1 (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you require Burning Crusade to install WOTLK?

Do you need The burning Crusade to play this game? Or just World of Warcraft?>63.166.254.137 (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard hasn't said a thing about it. Good chance you'll need Burning Crusade for it though. Also, scroll up. Already quite a lengthy topic on this.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.10.1 (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard has stated that level 68 is recommended as the minimum starting level for Wrath of the Lick King, so since you can't get past level 60 without Burning Crusade... --Intentionally unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 00:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, had to edit title, it was starting to tick me off. Grimreape513 (talk) 16:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If the they announced the expasion,then its expasion to the game but not a separate game.

Expanded Talent Trees

Many WoW database sites like Thottbot and Wowhead have brought out new talent trees for all classes(including Death Knight) except Paladin and Hunter, but I suspect they will bring those out in the very near future. At this stage it may be purely speculational but most sites appear to agree on them so I don't think they are too far off the truth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.240.101 (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

As fun as the 51-point talent calculators are, they're not official yet, and any sourcing is bound to be flawed. Even the sites that do have the major talent calculators have disclaimers on them. CredoFromStart ^talk 15:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Blizzard just announced a while back its official calculator tree for all the classes included the Death knight, since its official it can be sourced.209.169.244.29 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Achievement System

Something should be added about the new Achievements system that they just announced. I'm at a loss at where to put it myself, encyclopaedic writing style has always eluded me =( - Dinnerbone (^Talk/_Cont) 14:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't waste your time. Wikipedia has gotten so far behind WoWWiki in WoW and Warcraft info, Wikipedia has become a joke when looking for almost any Warcraft-related info. See Achievements at WoWWiki. --Intentionally unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please do. WoWWiki is your source for WoW gameplay info. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. They're not intended to contain the same content. --Stormie (talk) 01:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

WWoWiki is not just a gameplay source, hence the extensive lore info. So, your statement is both false and misleading. The main difference now concerning WoW is that Wikipedia is a poor substitute for WoWWiki. --Intentionally unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Release date

According from a interview by Shacknews Blizzards CEO Mike Morhaime says that The expansion will come out this year, but it won't be during july to september. That leaves an release window between October to December. Source:http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53963 89.160.65.215 (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ive been hearing multiple reports and rumors in game that the WOTLK release date will be in Early November, around the 8th. Ill have to do some digging to search on it. Grimreape513 (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Beta

I'm wondering how much information about the beta we want here. With no NDA, it leaves the gates wide open to document things about the beta here, but it can only be verified by people in the beta so it isn't an openly verifiable source and as a beta things are still open to change. I have added a few details that I consider to be encyclopedic about the when and how of the beta but am unsure what to add beyond that. Also, I wanted to make note that beta.worldofwarcraft.com has some documentation of the beta which is publicly available and can be used as a reference for some additional information that might be worth adding.Ajh16 (talk) 14:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

New factions including the Speartusk...

Yay! WoW info on Wikipedia sux horribly and then they lock the pages!

There is no Speartusk anything in Wrath of the Lich King supported by any sources or any evidence in the beta. It should be removed. Likely, it should be Tuskarr. --Intentionally unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 19:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I did read on the WoW WotLK website that they will add a werewolf-like faction and murloc-like faction that will be the equivalent of the aldor and scryers for the new expansion.

Can you please link on the site where this murloc/worgen reference is? im having trouble finding it myself, also, dont forget to sign your posts. Grimreape513 (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

As i looked on WoWWiki, i DID see mentions of something called "Oracles" which look like horribly mutated murlocs.. Im gonna dig deeper later... Grimreape513 (talk) 16:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Another Death Knight question

So do people that have a 55+ toon prior to WotLK coming out get a Death Knight, or do you have to level a NEW character to 55 after the expansion is released? Applejuicefool (talk) 18:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The former, according to wowwiki:Death knight, but this talk page is for discussion of the article, not the game, if you have questions I suggest you try either the official WoW forums [2], or if you don't have an active account, somewhere like VNBoards [3]. --Stormie (talk) 22:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my intent was not to discuss the game, but to help clarify the article. This particular point is not made clear in the article, but pending my checking out the wowwiki source, I'll make that clarification. Thank you, Applejuicefool (talk) 13:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Clarification on WOTLK#Release of content patch

It says;

• New class spells and talents
• Stormwind Harbor
• Barbershops in capital cities
• Zeppelin towers outside of Orgrimmar and Tirisfal Glades
• Two brand-new Arenas featuring challenging new layouts, terrain hazards, and moving obstacles
• Guild calendar
• Hunter pet skill revamp
• New profession: Inscription

I'm pretty sure that there were Zeppelin towers outside Org and UC before. – Jerry^teps 13:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think they may be new zeppelin towers which will handle the route to Northrend. But don't quote me on that. --Stormie (talk) 03:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

System Requirements

PC:

   * Windows XP SP3 or Vista SP1 (Windows 2000 no longer supported)
   * Pentium 4 1.3 GHz or AMD Athlon XP 1.5 GHz (up from 800 MHz Intel/AMD). Dual-core recommended.
   * RAM: 512 MB/1 GB for Vista, same as before. 1 GB/2 GB recommended.
   * Video: GPU with hardware transform and lighting and 32 MB VRAM, same as before. Recommended 128 MB VRAM.

Mac:

   * Mac OS X 10.4.11 (10.3 no longer supported)
   * PowerPC G5 1.6 GHz or Intel Core Duo. G4s are no longer supported. Intel 1.8 GHz recommended.
   * RAM: 1 GB, up from 512 MB. 2 GB recommended.
   * Video: Hardware transform and lighting, 64 MB VRAM. 128 MB VRAM recommended.

[4] [5] --LouisSama (talk) 04:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)