Talk:Scott Sonnon

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This article was nominated for deletion on September 6, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

PoV allegation

It is obvious this article is biased and written by a fan or a group of people affiliated with the man discussed. Therefore the POV tag has been added.

It is more obvious that this ongoing slagging of the individual is being conducted by the group (www.russianmartialart.com) wishing to defame him. It's obvious they're disputing this literal history in order try and somehow discredit the individual in question, as they have an obvious history of doing so just be doing a google search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B-ham (talk • contribs)

Please do not speculate on other editors' motives, see WP:AGF and WP:NPA. The article reads like an advertisement, and quotes exactly zero external verifiable sources for any of this. It needs to establish the notability of the subject using verifiable reliable sources. And the adspeak has to go... I tagged it with a couple of cleanup tags to show the article is work in progress; that should give the article a bit of time so we can see if there is any hope it can be improved. Weregerbil 06:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

False, I originally wrote the article (but it looks like it was originally deleted and recreated since I last checked) and I'm not affiliated nor a major fan (though I do like some of his ideas). I mean honestly, you don't accuse fans of Shakespeare for writing the Shakespear article. Furthermore, anyone can edit in criticism. Tyciol 20:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Student of Systema?

The article says he studied under Alexey Kadochnikov, the founder of Kadochnikov Systema, therefore implying that he studied Kadochnikov Systema, and yet Sonnon himself says in this interview: "have no idea what any "Systema’ teaches and, frankly, I don't care" therefore he didn't study systema. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.17.135.140 (talk) 04:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

When Sonnon says this he is referring to Ryabko's Systema. He also makes it clear in the article that he in fact trained ROSS; which as we all know branched out from Kadochnikov Systema. The point he is trying to make is that his work is unique. However, the fact still remains he has a connection to Systema. --Mista-X 03:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it propaganda?

I do not like the article about mr. Sonnon. IMHO I think wikipedia is paying too much honor and fame to a normal guy. He is not an Olympic athlete, a famous actor, a scientist, a war hero. He is just a martial trainer... --jackjack 20:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A normal guy? He's a world champion in two different martial arts, a multiple time USA National Team Coach, multiple time author, producer, Ultimate Fighting Championship conditioning and sport psychology coach, an inventor with multiple patents in strength equipment, a prolific publisher featured in many magazines and covers, an inductee into the martial art hall of fame and the fitness hall of fame. That's hardly normal. --B-ham 1 November 2007 (UTC)

All of those things may be true, but the notability criteria here requires reliable sources to substantiate those claims ... find some citations independent of the subject's own website, i.e., from responsible, main-stream publications ... see Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Citing sources if you are unclear about the concept of Attribution ... Happy Editing! —72.75.79.128 (talk · contribs) 21:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The references above did indeed have independent literary sources cited in the wiki before it was blotted out. I understand (now) that attribution must be independent of the wiki topic, but not only were those points erased, but all points even those with properly Wikipedia:Citing sources. Can it be repaired? --B-ham 1 November 2007 (UTC)

MENSA

The source on this is from the subject's website; so a better source is needed. --Mista-X (talk) 04:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted all non-sourced claims, including the MENSA reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.255.141 (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the MENSA reference yet again. Why is this non-sourced information being added? Who is editing this page?MMAEditing (talk) 09:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mensa

The Mensa reference has been readded with an improved, third-party reference. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 22:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sonnon's master of sport

Russkisambofederation, Sonnon's own site says Honourable Master of Sport, which was awarded by the AASF. If you have information that proves the contrary over this, please present it before undoing my revisions with seemingly no forethought. HolJah (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]