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Billy

I just have to say that Ada Lovelace is hot. What does this have to do with the above? Nothing. Which is exactly the same as your progress on it lately. Get to work! :P Ottava Rima (talk) 16:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey...

I had no idea things would get so out of hand the other day. Glad you haven't decided to leave over it, and hope it doesn't dampen your sense of fun - I'd miss that. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget about us - we're waitin for ya over at Caspar David Friedrich......your turn.....Modernist (talk) 04:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pushing for Panic of 1907 to get on the Main Page. I don't like promoting my own stuff, but it always is pretty cool to see it up there. --JayHenry (talk) 01:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Cats

Hmm, I received a two-disc tribute to The Cure called Perfect as Cats in the mail today. This looks like it might be good. Thankfully no one dares attempt to outdo the Dinosaur Jr cover of "Just Like Heaven", because it is obvious that they would fail. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I saw Stereolab tonight. It was quite wonderful. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It's getting close to Halloween. What will be on your playlist? WesleyDodds (talk) 09:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Sig

Ouch, that hurts :) Well, I'm sorry, but It doesn't look right without bold, I don't see how it is annoying, I have had this signature and format with my old ones the same way. You mean No Way Out (2004) FAC.--S_RX 22:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Bury the hatchet

(copying over) The block was an honest mistake, the unblock note was a pity, and my over reaction was a bigger pity. I have a bad temper, and I flew at you, and yes I did misjudge the timeline. And I apoligise. If you accept this as sincear, I would hope we can let this behind us with no hard feelings and move on. Wikipedia is supposed to be fun, a hobby, but its easy to get mired, burned out and too involvd in detail that at the end of the day just doesn't matter. We both have the best interests of the project at heart, and I realise our squabbling does nothing at all towards that aim. And yes, no I cant spell. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like nothing more than to wipe any tarnished slate clean and move on. Thanks for your note; I apologize again for causing a mess. Tan | 39 22:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant to see there's no hard feelings over this. – How do you turn this on (talk) 22:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree; thanks Tan for letting this go. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Funerary art

.. thanks for the kind words. If you want to, you can nom it. It really needs an Africa section, though. I think it will not pass without one. There's already more than a little material on the article's Talk to start one...

Plus other folks need to be consulted.. johnbod certainly! and madman...

This is one case in which I would appreciate a co-nom nod.... The prob with this nom is that it certainly needs at least two co-noms (me and john) and maybe three (madman). It'll be a crowd up there... If you wanna nom it, then you have the privilege of working out the details. ;-)

Later! Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 23:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for the support, every step of the way.... I have a boring meeting to go to. I'll ping the other two and point them to our talk pages.. Later! Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 01:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy minimalism

I wasn't "accusing" anyone of anything. Why are you taking this personally? The article was completely unsourced and it read like original research. Those tags aren't "pointless." They let other editors know what work needs to be done and more importantly, they let readers know that an article is not up to standard. All I saw was a deletion of quite useful tags with a flippant edit summary. So I reverted it. Now you've added some sources. The system works. Cheers. freshacconci talktalk 01:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

You are severly missing the point of a collerabative project. "Accusing" is exactly how thoes tags read; please be more aware of the effect of your actions. Why not add the refs your self instead of tagging and runing. And to remind you, you did say this is origional research, which goes to show how much you know. In my openion thoes tags are a cancer, and extreamly disharntining to the people who write the articles. Cheers. Ceoil ^sláinte 06:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

(YO!) Templating the top of an article with "may be O.R." and "may need references" and "may need more references" without discussing these ideas is intellectually feeble. The article "may be" original research?; so may every other. If you can't provide an argument (in terms of knowledge, in terms of time expenditure), then find a different way to contribute to Wikipedia. These templates were meant to be used sparingly for quite unusual cases. Then they somehow turned into the most counterproductive (article-related) hobby on Wikipedia, ever. Above all, using a canned edit summary that says the edit was by a program called "Friendly" is just too fucking much.

Hope you're doing fine Ceoil. You didn't respond to my brief email. I know, I'm community leper now. Erase me message from your page if ye feel dirty. Whiskeydog (talk) 06:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I replied last night, Whiskey. Were working on Friedrich at last, about half ways through the bio, dreading the legacy section, as usual, ha ha. How arre things with you? Ceoil ^sláinte 06:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I just checked after I wrote that - replied. Keep up your good works. I can't decide whether you or JanHenrí deserves a barnstar more, and I only have this single one..... Whiskeydog (talk) 07:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh you tease. Me! Me! Ceoil ^sláinte 07:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The problem is firefox provides handy buttons so that you can visit a page, scroll in 1-2 seconds, and make a snap jungement, hit 1 button; bam Origional research! And your off to the next article, whith a higher edit count. Jesus Christ. Ceoil ^sláinte 06:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/No Depression (album)

Just wanted to let you know that I copyedited the article, hopefully addressing your concerns at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/No Depression (album). Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 02:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Telling Wesley to ignore 3RR warnings:

Is a bad idea. Do you want to see him blocked? Don't go starting trouble, sweetheart. It's just not worth it from your perspective. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 18:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Have we ever had any communication at all ever? Judging from your block log you're quite popular with all the admins! Little sugar dumpling! Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 19:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

If that witless shit the best you are capable of; have fun with it. Baiting in such a obvious way is the mark of an inexperienced and clueless troll. Ceoil ^sláinte 19:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Call me a troll again and I will block you. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 19:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I do apologise for the perceived "baiting". It was a good faith 3RR warning to Wesley (See this). If someone you had never had any contact with asked someone else to ignore you, right when it's imperative not to be ignored, it's not going to make you feel good, is it? I do apologise for swearing and losing my temper etc. For the record, I had heard absolutely nothing about the fiasco with the previous block and was not rubbing it in or anything like that at all. I do hope you accept my apology, friend. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 20:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Pedro :  Chat  20:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I dont buy it. "I had heard absolutely nothing about the fiasco with the previous block and was not rubbing it in or anything like that at all". Only a fool would accept that; ahem you did say, Judging from your block log you're quite popular with all the admins! Little sugar dumpling! Dont treat me like a child that can be sated with sugar and empty words after a deliberate baiting and a muscle orientated block warning. There is not a hint of sincerity or regret in the above. Please. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

"I do hope you accept my apology, friend", well if that isn;t salt on an open wound I dont know what is. How is this person an admin? Ceoil ^sláinte 21:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, honestly, I never heard about it at all; I don't frequent ANI. All I did was check your block log as I would do any user I am having a dispute with. As for my apology, I meant it honestly and with the utmost sincerity. I wouldn't be an adult if I couldn't apologise like one, which I have done. I understand that I am not without impunity and the ANI discussion helped me calm down. Ceoil, by believing my apology to be insincere you are showing signs of extreme bad faith. I have apologised, what else do you want? Why can't you just accept that I have apologised honestly and move on? It's not like you were without fault in our disagreement also. Can we just forget about this like the adults we are? Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 21:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Btw, about "friend", I often refer to people as "friend" or "buddy", I mean it just as much as its connotation implies. :-) Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 21:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Stop already. Your bullshit is not welcome here. I'm no fool, and if you think that kind of explination is enough, well pity you. Ceoil ^sláinte 21:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

He's being nice to you, dude. You're getting into incivility and beating the dead hose. Suigetsu

If you think he's being nice to me you are seriuosly naieve and taking asf to its depressing letter of the law. Its a civility code; it doesnt mean we have to ignore facts. Your right of course about beating a dead horse; no matter how many times this happens admins will always close in to protect each other; which is fine but to protect they will blame; which is were the likes of me comes it to it, with six or seven blocks now, and little matter how daming the evidence in my defence. And here you are to enflame and bait. Nice. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Ceoil, you have email from me. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 22:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Appreciated. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Comedy

[1] Nah - You can call me what you like! Seriously - can't we ask Pat (Scarian) if we can all work on this together without an ANI blood fest? I know it hurts, I think Scarian's made some bad "threats" and I think you made some bad responses. It happens, it's no big deal. I read the whole block thing the other day as it happens so I'm aquainted with that. Let's all take it of ANI and thrash it though? Please? Pedro :  Chat  20:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Look guys, I really apologise by User:WifeOfPedro needs assistance and RL is (marginally!) more important - I'll drop a note to Pat and make a couple more edits but may not be around for several hours after. Pedro :  Chat  20:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Your block log

Your block log is obviously full of half-truths and has been causing you some trouble lately. To help rectify this, I've placed a small corrective note there stating that none of the previous sanctions against you were warranted, and that all of them were overturned by the community. Hopefully this will mean that you'll never have to put up with another admin looking at what you do here only superficially and getting the mistaken impression that you're some sort of troublemaker - and if we're lucky, also stop the vicious cycle of you getting blocked over and over again... just because you've been blocked before. :/ Let me know if you need anything else. east718 // talk // email // 22:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thats a very nice gesture and hugely appreciated east718. For what its worth, I hold no hard feelings against the earlier blocking admins; in fact to a man they turned out to be all good guys. I dont see any conspiracy, but I do think the culture on an/i is to protect and minimise, and that can be harsh on the recieving end. Its a natrural reaction of course, we all know each other, but as I say it can be harsh to take it on the chin. I was advised by T Knott to let this go for tonight, and thats advice I'll take, and eill do. But again, that was a swell thing of you to do. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

And I was left with no choice to weigh in, although I twice asked for time, simply because I was trying to meet a midnight bot deadline. Well, anyway, thank you so much to East718, even though I wish I could have had a chance to explain to some admins how it feels to be judged based on a faulty block log, and to please stop being so insensitive to how that feels to a regular editor. They fuel Ceoil's hurt, and further enrage, every time this happens by refusing to understand what it feels like on this side of the fence. They forget the power they have with that block button. This is one of the reasons that I choose to remain on this side of the fence: I don't want to ever forget how vulnerable one feels when attacked by a group of "we admins watching you". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I specifficaly asked that it be left open. So i'll reopen. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I am disapointed that you guys think so little of those with the administrative technical abilities. I think maybe I will rectify part of your issues with us "big bad admins" who are "on one side of the fence". It's a shame that your faith in human nature has become so tainted by this website that you can only lump all in to one mould. Pedro :  Chat  23:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Done. If you honestly think every admin on this website is biased, corrupt, evil and closes ranks you can get rid of this one with just one additional signature. Pedro :  Chat  23:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Pedro, to be fair I observed much earlier that I rescpect both you and wisardman, so dont play that card or the observation will become moote. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Ceoil, it's a but unfair I agree - I'm trying to make the point that this admin v. non admin thing is so wrong and I really hate it. I'm not trying to be pointy, I'm just frustrated that "admin abuse" seems to be directed at all admins every sodding time. Apologies. Pedro :  Chat  00:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Point taken, Pedro: to a good and fair admin, it also feels awful to be lumped, just as it feels awful to be lumped with trolls vandals and socks because one has a block log. I will try to be more sensitive whenever I refer to admin abuse. Now please remove my name from that list: I cannot ever imagine an issue with you. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

[2] Tis done, at your express desire (although to be honest your intimation I am doing the wrong thing would put you in as much stead as any editor on that list Sandy) Pedro :  Chat  00:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• I don't mean to lump, Pedro; it's certainly not true of everyone (I'm not even sure it's true of most). But it's true often enough that it continues to come up, so something should be said to raise awareness. Each time this happens, it has become worse because of insensitive responses to how it feels to have a block log like that. The equivalent to me is the following: every time I hit the archive button on a FAC, to "fail" someone's FAC, I still get that feeling. The day I can press that "fail" button easily is the day I need to stop doing the job. Too many of the ANI responses indicate that too many admins don't understand how it feels to have a block log (unfairly) like Ceoil's. I would never request removal of your rights, Pedro; I've seen nothing from you to warrant that. Please do remove me from that list, as I have no issue with you whatsoever. Like Ceoil, I also have no issue with the past admins who blocked him. My concern is the insensitivity that comes up on AN/I threads when something like this occurs. And that Ceoil was proven right in only a week: someone assumed things about him based on his block log, as is bound to happen if we don't find a way of dealing with it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

You know, it is possible to be attacked whether you're an admin or not? I've seen it happen. There's over 1600 admins here; they aren't all one big gang out to get you. They're also human; people make mistakes, people are dicks, etc. I can understand the perceived idea that it's "admins against non-admins" but that's not the case really. Yes, admins have a block button, but it doesn't mean they are all out there to block people they don't like. Most admins do a brilliant job, we should be thankful we have such hardworking editors. And Sandy, you do a brilliant job on FAC, which we should all be thankful for. Not everyone is a bad guy. I think we should get back to the encyclopedia; whether it's writing articles, or otherwise, we all do a good job here in some way. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

But ye have the buttons, How do you, and we dont. And its becoming increasingly more common where the buttons are turned on us. And when we complain we are told to effectivaly, go away. I fully agee that most admins do a brilliant job, but some are bullies, and it would seem we dont have right to call them. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

HDYTTO, have you followed Ceoil's contribs for the last week? Not only did he get back to work on articles, he went out of his way to extend olive branches and put all this to rest. That it happened again, in only a week, means we need to pay attention. I am sorry, but I do NOT want to lose Ceoil after losing Yannis. No one is saying everyone is bad, on any side of the fence, but admins have the power of the block and they should be sensitive to how it feels to be put in Ceoil's position. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't tend to follow people's edits other than my own. I'm pleased he let it rest. And admins have the power of the block, but it doesn't mean they're all out to get us. I gave Ceoil some advice privately about how to deal with this already, as I don't want to encourage further drama on the wiki. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Sandy, perhaps you could ask some future RFA candidates who intend to use the block button about how they would deal with a situation like this, and to ensure no one gets hurt if there's a next time (which I sincerely hope there isn't). Because you are right, there are far too many admins who will block first, ask questions later, and perhaps it needs hammering in. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I apparently still haven't expressed myself well. Everyone makes mistakes: what happened to Ceoil has been a series of mistakes. I am concerned about the insensitivity shown after the mistakes, and no question on RfA will sort out insensitivity. I know who the mature editors are, the sensitive and capable, and when I encounter them, I nominate them at RfA. You can't teach maturity, and you can't assess it by piling on more questions at RfA. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, what exactly do you intend to do about it? – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me How, but how do you do know that I did'nt try and mend broken fences[3]. But you have given me good advice, and I'm inclined to listen to you, even if you dont seem to have sympathy or a grasp of the bigger picture. Thats fine; I see you as a good guy, and I know you have a lot of integrity. Meet Sandy: who has more integrity than most wrapped up. Pity ye have to fight when effectively ye are on the same side, just different perspectives. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not fighting, just disagreeing :-) Though she has a lot more experience than I do, perhaps I ought to listen to her more! And btw, I do sympathise with you, even though I might not be as obvious in doing so as others. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. Let it go. God sake. Ceoil ^sláinte 00:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Apparently your words are dangerous and have the power to corrupt. Speaking of which, I'm finally going over to Ireland to spend those American dollars of mine. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, I must say it's funny that almost all of the blocks you've received are due to the fact that people don't understand you're joking (I'm particularly thinking of the good-natured "incivility" on friends' talk pages). I don't care; you can say insulting things on my talk page all you want. I'll even put up a notice. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool about visiting Irl. If you decide to visit Cork be sure to give me a bell and I'll take you on the tear. Problem might be though that you woun't wont understand our thick Irish brouge; remember Tommy Tiernan, well we actually do talk like that, like!. Ceoil ^sláinte 01:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

My "Ceoil advisory" is now up. I suggest you tell your other Wiki-friends to do the same, or else I can expect you to get banned again in two months for calling someone a cunt while working on a painting Featured Article Candidate. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Consider this an apology for the perceived hostility that transpired at your thread today, both from me and other people. Pat's behavior was inexcusable, and I perfectly understand losing your cool as a result (it's not justified, but it's understandable). Please don't take this as sarcasm, either; it's a rare moment in which I'm being sincere. Suigetsu