WELCOME!! Hello, Derek R Bullamore! I want to personally welcome you on behalf of the Wikipedia community. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you haven't already, you can put yourself in the new user log and the list of users so you can be properly introduced to everyone. Don't forget to be bold, and don't be afraid of hungry Wikipedians...there's a rule about not biting newcomers. Some other good links are the tutorial, how to edit a page, or if you're really stuck, see the help pages. Wikipedia is held up by Five Pillars...I recommend reading about them if you haven't already. Finally, it would be really helpful if you would sign your name on talk pages, so people can get back to you quickly. It's easy to do this by clicking the button (next to the one with the "W" crossed out) one from the end on the left. If that's confusing, or if you have any questions, feel free to drop me a ♪ at my talk page (by clicking the plus sign (+) next to the tab at the top that says "edit this page")...and again, welcome!--ViolinGirl♪00:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
hi there,
Just wondered if you could clarify what you consider reliable sources for this article.All the songwriting citations and rerences come from the record label the songs were released on so i'm not sure what your asking for.
Please explain and I can rectify it
Regards--Purplepickledonions (talk) 22:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, it is difficult to know where to start. Let me make one thing clear though - it is not what I am requiring. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style for some guidance on what the encyclopedia itself desires. Here is just one paragraph that is neither encyclopedic in nature, nor contains any in-line citations as to verifiability. Having also worked as postmen and bingo callers, at the turn of the millennium James and Tom re-formed Sugartown with new members, and with a new, poppier sound. They recorded a new EP titled "The Next Big Thing". The band gained management in America and were showcased and filtered through Universal. Again, with no joy, the band disbanded.
I am an inclusionist, but some articles need a strong editing stance that is more in line with Wikipedia generally, of a general encyclopedic style and nature, plus of some depth. It presently worries me that the article as it stands looks more like a fan club. I do appreciate lesser pop music artists suffer from a general lack of reliable citable sources. But, just as a starter, where did their birth dates come from ? Wikifying them, from a reliable source, would be a start. With best wishes,
Hello again,
I know their birthdays are correct because I know the twins personally and am currently trying to find a source to verify this fact but at present am not having much luck.
Im sorry if you feel this article reads like a fan club...I am not sure entirely how to re word it to make it sound more encyclopedic and therefore more acceptable to Wikipedia so maybe some help if you are willing to give it would be much appreciated.
This is my only article for Wikipedia as I have already had people trying to delete this article it was put to a vote and the result was keep as it was felt the Twins were notable enough to be recognied on here.
Sorry, I have just realised that I have not replied to you. I do understand your frustration, as all of us have to start somewhere on Wikipedia, and generally learn as we go along. The Five Pillars is worth reading, along with Editing Help. Please remember this is an encyclopedia dealing with hard facts not opinion, and not a fan site where the reverse generally applies. Also, take a look at The KLF - the nearest thing to perfection, at least for a pop music related article. Do not lose heart - there are thousands of articles far, far worse than James and Tom Martin. If at first you don't succeed .... Best wishes
I notice, after a short hiatus, that you are contributing again. Good - remember my advice from before though. Be Bold, my kind of pickled onion collaborator.
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Hi, I saw that you had made some edits to this article within the last year. Unfortunately, it was brought to my attention that the article had earlier been a copyright violation, so I reverted back to the pre-copyvio version. This has had the unfortunate effect of removing your subsequent edits, so I thought I would let you know that you might want to rewrite them, or expand the article. Best regards, — BillCtalk14:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the note. As far as I can tell, I have now reinserted my original edits. Regards,
Hi, just wondering if you've got any information on Halo James. Was trying to put together an article on this top-ten charting UK group but the internet is sorely lacking in high-quality sources. Chubbles (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am not much use this time, I'm afraid. They were a late 1980s/early 1990s UK pop band, fronted by Christian James (born 21 December1964). Charting discography as follows:
^Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. pp. p. 241. ISBN 1-904994-10-5. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
A sort of light weight throwaway pop act, who got thrown away ! Sorry,
I looked it over and cleaned up a lot of the formatting errors - lots of bad boldfacing and album title mistakes. Also removed informal tone and fixed a lot of wikilinks. I'll keep an eye on it for a while, please do the same. - eo (talk) 19:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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York - B - Main problems are lack of references and the lists, also the external links section would need a major prune before a GA review.Maybe ask for peer review when these are done? Bath, Somerset is an FA and a good role model.
Yorkshire and the Humber - Start. The article has been reorganised and expanded (some sections with no text are there on the source page but are commented out at the moment). It could do with more citations.
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The football and rugby editors have to be congratulated for keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. Also for getting Scarborough F.C. seasons to FL status during the month.
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Rated a B class article. Viewed 40,122 times in May, 2008. Only went below 1,000 viewings on one day, 10th, and achieved 1,600 on the 6th and the 20th. Overall total number of edits 1,818 with 46 in May, 2008.
Rated a B class article. Viewed 38,018 times in May, 2008. On 12 days there were over 1,000 viewings with a sudden peak of 4,200 on the 24th. Overall number of edits 2,269 with 88 in May, 2008.
Rated a B class article. The highest number of monthly viewings for our priority articles at 50,846 for the month of May, 2008. There were consistently over 1,000 daily viewings with a high of 2,000 on the 25th. Overall total number of edits 3,152 with 86 in May, 2008.
Rated an FA class article.Viewed 37,740 times in May, 2008 with usually over 1,000 daily viewings. There were 6 days when over 1,400 viewings were made then a low of 900 on the 10th. Overall total number of edits 2,550 with 44 in May, 2008.
Rated a GA class article and actively being worked on for FAC. Viewed 42,902 times in May, 2008. Consistently over 1,000 daily viewings with 2,000 viewings on the 12th. Overall total number of edits 2,434 with 241 in May, 2008.
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I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the invitation - you will see that I have enrolled. I have limited time, and would prefer to help to clean-up stubs and smaller articles to a decent standard (as a rule), rather than tackling potential A+ articles. What do I do next ??
Hello, you certainly know how to butter someone up ! Nice stub effort from you on Dickie though, and my efforts are now added for what they are worth. Take care,
Thanks Derek! If you would like to colaborate on any punk-related pages please let me know. I've just finished polishing up the 999 (band) articlee but it could do with a second opinion. All the best. Yozzer66 (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have edited the 999 page with wikilinks, formatting and a few additions. A minor polish, if you will allow. If you are talking about the, for me at least, true punk rock bands of the mid to late 1970s, then I'll have a go. I really am no expert, but have fond memories of seeing The Stranglers live at the Bridlington Spa in 1977 (I think). Does little more than show my age perhaps, but at the more cynical age of 23 (back then) it completely revived my interest in the absurd glories of pop music. You will find my feeble Wikipedia edits amongst the history of Wiki articles for most of the punk bands of that time. I am getting old ! Cheers,
Valuable edits to 999. Thanks. I DID mean the 'true' punk bands of the 1970s! I don't listen to a great deal of that era now. (I'm too busy listening to new stuff). However, like you, I do have fond memories. I was thirteen in 1979 so, whilst I love the early punks (esp. the Adverts, the Jam and the Buzzcocks), 'second' and 'third' wave bands like the Ruts, the Members and the Skids, together with post-punk groups like Echo & the Bunnymen, Joy Division, and the Specials, that were MINE (as oppose to my best mate's big brother's)!!! After X-Ray Spex, my next two 'projects' are Penetration and the Ruts. Any help would be appreciated. Yozzer66 (talk) 23:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good - no, very good. Drop me a line as you go along and I will try my best. My Hospital Radio broadcasting activities mean that I play at least one punk track ever week - sheer bliss. Of slighter more modern punk-ish stuff, I love Beastie Boys - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!)"; whilst Green Day's - American Idiot is an absolute masterpiece; with a dash of Social Distortion thrown in. Mind you, my real favourites include The Bee Gees, Eric Clapton, Wishbone Ash, Big Joe Turner, Billy Idol and .... oh hell, the list goes on and on. Eclectic, or what (or completely nuts, or what). Anyhow, I'm with you. If you want a second opinion, or whatever, you know where I am. Take care old boy,
Derek, I'm having great difficulty in finding out whether a number of punk and new wave Various Artists comps (circa. 1977, 78 & 79) charted or not. (Single artist albums are no problem). Is this something you could help with? Thanks. Yozzer66 (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and no is the answer! I have a copy of The Guinness Book of British Hit Albums - 7th Edition - ISBN 0-85112-619-7, which does list Various Artists compilation albums. However these are mainly listed via record label releases, or under an all-embracing 'Others' heading. The difficulty is that although the album title is listed, there is no artist and track listing. So, if you were to say, for a fictional instance, did Punk, Junk and all that Funk on Harvest Records chart - then I can look it up. Without this information, it might be much more tricky. It may be feasible via the Allmusic website - here [2] to tie up some of the missing information to make things easier - but it could labour intensive. Does this help ? Incidentally, as an aside, I played The Only Ones, "Another Girl, Another Planet" earlier this evening on my radio show - cracking track.
Derek, if you get the chance, could you have a look over the Radio Stars article? It was very poor before I got to grips with it. However, it could still do with the additional input of a sensible editor. Thanks in anticipation. Yozzer66 (talk) 23:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Had a look at the Radio Stars article - you have done a very good job. I tweaked it about a bit with more wikilinks, added another reference and some formatting corrections, but generally it will look much the same to you. I think you get to a point with these 'lesser lights' when there is nowhere else to go. Well done,
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I note that you've categorised the actor Julian Bleach as an English musician. I am not convinced that he is a musician at all; I think his role in musical projects is limited to that of an announcer, narrator or compere. Can you confirm his notable musical talent? See Julian Bleach talk page. Andrew Oakley (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, Andrew, I have no knowledge of Bleach's activities per se. I merely undertook an across the board exercise to rationalise those {Category:British musicians} to a more specific category, in this case {Category:English musicians}. You talk page comments are well made, and if you can not find a viable source, I suggest you do proceed to delete the musician connection altogether. Best wishes,
Cheers. I think the original person who categorised him as a musician did so solely because he had been an actor in a musical, which 99% of the time would have been a correct assumption, but in this case I suspect not - I think his role in the Shockheaded Peter musical was similar to that of Charles Gray, the narrator, in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, and Charles Gray certainly doesn't get categorised as a musician. I just wanted to check that you didn't have any further insight - I see now that you're just splitting British into the respective sub-nations. Thanks again, Andrew Oakley (talk) 12:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well done for the "Riot in Cell Block #9" link - I could not seem to find it, although I was fairly sure it existed. Are you looking at Sneakin' Suspicion for your next project ? Over to you. Cheers,
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Wikipedia DVD version 0.7
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The process of producing the list of articles for the DVD is currently under way and 43 of the project's articles are being
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Hello, Derek R Bullamore. You have new messages at IbLeo's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
I see from the talk page that like me, you hate this page as well. I've put a suggestion on the talk page. I don't think anyone's ever going to agree on criteria, so I reckon one of us needs to just go ahead and do something. I think my suggestion would bring the page down to a handful of artists, where we could do a brief summing up of the No.1 itself and follow-ups that failed (with a bit of research). It would surely make the article readable anyway. Anyway, see what you think. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have watched, and at times edited this page, and yes it presently reads like a shopping list, with no-one quite sure why that want to buy anything ! Part of the problem has been that one editor suggests doing it this way or that way (without often realising that it must be referenced and sourced). In other words using some formula that, more often than not, represents original research. At least your way forward is based upon a reliable, citable source (Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums) which is widely seen as the industry 'bible'. Also it is based upon the history of the 'official' UK Singles Chart, which can be easily researched and referenced. So far, so good.
To play devil's advocate for a moment, I see back in May this year you were advocating yourself some sort of amalgam of inclusion criteria, that differs from what you are now proposing; and herein lies one of the problems of gaining consensus ! Also, you state that the song, rather than the artiste is the one-hit wonder. I am not sure I agree with you - certainly the Guinness Book always lists the artiste first - reference [1]
^Gambaccini, Paul (1991). British Hit Singles (8th ed.). Enfield, Middlesex: Guinness Publishing Ltd. pp. p. 394-5. ISBN 0-85112-941-2. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
I do think that if you can cram your intended major edit with references galore, then other editors have less reasons to quibble. If these also include those within, and moreover, outside of the Guinness family of publications, then so much the better. I feel your 'example' on the talk page of the article would be a good starting point. Referencing adds considerable kudos and status that is frankly more difficult to argue against, rather than 'I think this is a good idea' approach, that many have adopted over the past six years. Whatever happens, you will face opposition, but certainly broadly would have my support. Personally, I would wait for others to comment before you proceed too far. As you have seen, despite the relatively small scale of the subject matter, it arouses strong interest and passion. Best wishes,
Hi there. Just seen your response, but you may have noticed that I've just gone ahead and done it. I know it mught be a bit over-bold, but what happened was, I started the article on my talk page with just the examples I gave, but suddenly found myself compelled to keep going. I really enjoyed doing it and looking up the information of each artist and song. Before I knew it, I'd done the whole thing and reflected on how much more readable it was (I know I shouldn't say that myself, but hey). I posted it anyway just to see what would happen and I can imagine it could still get reverted over the next few days as there were a lot of people contributing, but hopefully if it can last say 3 weeks it might stay there (maybe the the US equivilent article would follow suit with something similar). Yes, you were right about my agreement with an earlier proposal, but I came to reflect later that this indeed would be original research. As it is, these records reached No.1 -fact, they never had another hit - fact, and the Guinness Book of suggests this criteria (and let's not forget it was them who chose the original charts (from various different compilers back in the 50s and 60s), which are now universally accepted as THE charts). I could as you suggest cram it with references quite easily - a quick Google of each song would give plenty - it'd probably only take about an hour to cover the whole page, but I'll leave it for the moment to see what others think. On a final note, I actually did say that I considered the artist to be the One Hit Wonder (not the song). As it was, the listing had the song first then the artist which I felt was wrong, so we do agree there.
As I say, it could quite easily get reverted and I imagine people will come along and do that to teach me a lesson if nothing else, but then we're back to square one after six years of debate. Someone had to do something. Anyway, thanks for your comments. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough - I fully appreciate your stance, and we will both await developments with interest. Sorry I misread your position regarding artist/song, but you are right and we do agree. Best wishes,
Thank you for the comment regarding the Foundations article. I was actually a bit nervous about the edits I made considering the comments on the talk page. I'll work on getting it up to speed and if that stirs up the hornet's nest, so be it. I noticed no one has worked on it in quite some time so hopefully the POV warriors have moved on to greener pastures. If you have any info regarding the group, please feel free to chime in. PinkadelicaSay it...15:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have added in-line citations and references from my hoard of publications, and tidied up some typos and so on. At least it is a start. Over to you !
I've also heard the colours were supposed to be milk and alcohol, but can't find a reference to cite. Not sure the note about McCullough is relevant to the Be Seeing You article, as he only stood in for one European tour, and had left before they started writing the album, but have added McCullough to the main Feelgoods article - which needs a lot of amplification on the post Wilko years.
Seeing the band again next Friday - any questions you'd like me to try and ask? - oh sorry, that's original research isn't it? Arjayay (talk) 12:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Martin C. Strong's book The Great Rock Discography states (and I quote exactly): (7",7" milky,7" beer-colrd) for the single issue types. I reckon this is good enough to include as a citation. Do you ? You are probably correct about McCullough in the Be Seeing You article - particularly now you have included him in the main article on the band. Feel free to remove that sentence. Lucky you seeing the Feelgoods. I saw them in Warrington several years ago at my friend's 50th birthday party. He actually hired them as the star turn - cool or what !? You are right about original research, but finding cites, refs etc for some of the less well known bands is sometimes like finding hen's teeth. Actually I wish the Feelgoods own website was more definitive rather than largely fancruft. God - just a thought - you are not responsible for it, are you ? Oh shit ! Anyhow, give 'em my love on Friday.
I don't have Strong's book. Tony Moon doesn't give a reason (I've just checked) just the colours, and that the sleeves featured a bottle of Kahlua. (Kahlua is a brown coffee liqueur, often served with milk - which throws some doubt on the "beer" colour.) I'll remove McCullough and add the story of Be Seeing You's title No - the band's website is run by Gabbi in Germany - not me I agree about finding references for less well known bands, especially if you discount the band or fan sites - although these are acceptable if copied on Allmusic, despite the frequent mistakes. As you collect DoB's do you have one for Deke Leonard of Man? - although he is not a "pop" star. Arjayay (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can't help you with Deke Leonard - Man sort of passed me by at the time (don't know why). My 'Pop Star' title is somewhat misleading - the file includes Big Joe Turner, Ari Up, David Whitfield, Al Kooper and Buffy Sainte-Marie etc., etc. I've got Pete Gage's though ! Wasn't he once married to Elkie Brooks ?
Kahlúa, eh - I wonder why ? A favourite of the band's maybe ? Plus, you would not normally drink milk and beer, would you ? Might be worth exploring, but I bet finding a reference may prove to be beyond us. Keep beavering away. Best wishes,
Sorry, that was "the other" Pete Gage, who also played guitar with Geno Washington, formed Vinegar Joe & wrote "Happy Birthday Rock & Roll" with Mick Green (see [3] GAGES' PAGES) Arjayay (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that - every day a little wiser, eh. Have you seen Suntag's work on "Milk and Alcohol" ? Incredible and I live in hope he may spend more time on Feelgood related articles ! Incidentally, thanks for the Twenty Five Years of Dr. Feelgood album cover picture. Please note "Down at the Doctors" is now an article in its own right. Regards again,
