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Hello, FangedFaerie! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 04:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Re: Adoption

I'll be happy to adopt you. If you would like me to write a little "wiki course" for you, I'll get on it on soon as possible. Otherwise, basically if you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask me and I should answer within a few hours. Thanks for picking me! :) Thingg 02:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: deletion

Yeah. Sometimes, there just isn't enough info out there on a subject. I've been working on some articles relating to islands in the Bering Sea, and I've run into the same problem of very little info several times. btw, if you want the second article deleted, you should create an entry at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion by clicking the red link in the tag on that page. (here it is so you don't have to go to that page: red link) If you don't know how to list an article for deletion, instructions are located here. It looks like someone else already listed it for deletion here. Regards. Thingg 14:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rescue

Yo, fantastic work on Thomas Muthee, it's always great to see a worthy article rescued. Keep it up! the skomorokh 13:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! :) Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 14:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please double check those sources

"October 2005, during which he prayed over Sarah Palin, who was mayor of Wasilla at the time" seems to conflict very much with the Sarah Palin article which state she was mayor 1996-2002. Other than that your version seems fine to me. Hobartimus (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, will change. Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 21:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Palin Pic

Hi, After taking into consideration the feedback from other editors regarding the Carson City image at Sarah Palin, I have created a new version with the intent of pleasing those who have contributed to the discussions. The quality of the image has been significantly improved. I would appreciate your opinion here: [[1]]. Thanks, IP75 75.25.28.167 (talk) 20:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

I read that you are new at Wikipedia. I am also new, and my first article was creating Wasilla Assembly of God, and on Wasilla Bible Church and David Brickner. All of them were instantly deleted, and there was a huge piling on by many experienced Wiki people at once using tehcnicalites to delete all of the articles. A tactic was to have multiple people make false acusations against me in such a volume that other people would see these and then ignore anything I wrote. So I had to learn pretty quickly. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. I am a mathematician, so not the best at a lot of things, but feel free to ask. One thing I learned is that to leave messages for someone, edit their talk page and at the very top put two' of these "{", then the word "talkback", then a striaght up and down line "|", then your name "FangedFaerie", "another two of these "}", all with no spaces. This alerts the person that they have a message on your talk page. I left you one to cut and paste at the top of your page, and it should create an alert for you to look for this message. Does "fanged" refer to wolves, like those hunted in Alaska from the air? OK, Im off to read the Muthee article you wrote. Tautologist (talk) 03:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks for the info! And the screenname has a long history, but I find it easiest to say, Think miniature gargoyle. :) Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 16:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Muthee

I wanted to drop you a note off talk-page and reiterate that I don't think you've done anything wrong. I think you've developed a well-sourced article that doesn't take fantastic insinuations at face value, but reports them critically. Other participants have not shown that circumspection, and that has prompted the dispute that you see at Wasilla Assembly of God. The fact that you can take a contentious topic and do that with less than two weeks of effort on Wikipedia is a credit to your impartiality--many people who join Wikipedia to work on controversial topics are politely termed "POV pushers"--partisans, in other words.

I see you have obtained a mentor. That's always a good first step. One piece of advice: do find an uncontroversial article or two to which you can contribute. It's a much less stressful part of Wikipedia editorship, and one that every editor should kick back and enjoy. Cheers! Jclemens (talk) 04:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism on John McCain

No worries. I was pretty appalled when the rollback results came up and I saw what I'd inadvertently reinstated. -- Zsero (talk) 07:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Nader presidential campaign, 2008

Hi, FangedFaerie, I'm having difficulty with a user pertaining to this article. Requesting your help, thank you, EagleScout18 (talk) 01:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you thank you thank you good Faerie :) EagleScout18 (talk) 03:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nader

I just listed the source of the interview as the Houston radio station, I didn't touch the number, Nate (chatter) 04:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NO problem about the numbers. But when they are official, let's put the proper percentage in, as there 1 is nearly twice .54. 71.139.23.95 (talk) 17:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nader's use of the term "Uncle Tom"

What brought national attention to Nader's criticism of Obama on election night was not the criticism itself, that Obama serves corporate interests. Nader made that charge repeatedly in the election campagin. What brought so much attention to Nader's comments that night was his callous use of the term "Uncle Tom." Therefore, I think we should restore the "Nader used the term Uncle Tom when questioning the kind of presidency Barack Obama will engage in" that you removed. It really was extraordinary for a major presidential candidate to use this perjorative term which is so offensive to African-Americans. The FOX news asshole couldn't help but seize on it. Your edits make it sound as if he was the callous one, not Nader. 71.139.23.95 (talk) 18:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that my edits removed any context. Why is it necessary to say how often the interviewer mention "Uncle Tom"? 71.139.23.95 (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You wrote on my Talk page, "I oppose repeated mention of the wikilinked "Uncle Tom" term, and would prefer to keep the info simple and reflective of sources. Regards." We agree. I, too, think it should be simple and mindful of sources. Warm regards. 71.139.23.95 (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing the repeated mentions of "Uncle Tom." I am trying to clean up this paragraph. For example, why take the subject of the paragraph -- Nader's use of the perjorative -- out of the introductory sentence? What was controversial was not Smith's grilling of Nader, but Nader's use of the term. Why the "Mr. Nader"s and "Mr. Smith"s? Nowhere else in this article is Nader's name preceded by "Mr." I propose the following paragraph, which I think satisfies all editors. It establishes the time-line for the events, puts Nader's "politically bigoted" stuff in parentheses (it is parenthetical to the main subject of the paragraph), and clarifies what the "spoiler" thing is about. I think it gives Nader a chance to defend himself and describes what happened. What do you think. Warmest regards. 71.139.23.95 (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On election day, Nader used the term "Uncle Tom" with respect to Barak Obama. In a radio interview, Nader stated, "To put it very simply, (Barack Obama) is our first African-American president, or he will be. And we wish him well. But his choice, basically, is whether he is going to be Uncle Sam for this country or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations."[1][2][3] In an interview later in the evening, Fox News correspondent Shepherd Smith asked Nader to comment on his statement. [4] Smith called Nader "irrelevant" and a "spoiler." (Nader has referred to the notion that the spoiled the 2000 presidential election for Al Gore s "politically bigoted.")[5][6] The candidate called Smith a "bully," asserting that the suffering of the "African-American, Latino and White" poor are "a reality, not show business" or "celebrity politics." Smith inquired if Mr. Nader "wished he'd used a phrase other than 'Uncle Tom.'" Nader responded, "Not at all."[7][8].

Wiki-Love

Great work! EagleScout18 (talk) 01:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's this about? The issue is resolved. The addition has consensus. Right now the opposition is just stubbornly edit warring. AzureFury (talk | contribs) 06:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thus my request. This has been going on for a week now. Perhaps a formal mediation request will make everyone pause and think, even if the request itself is refused. Regards. FangedFaerie (Talk | Edits) 06:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How do you reckon it has consensus? Counting up the !votes on the RFC it seems pretty even for and against. Doesn't sound like a consensus to me. -- Zsero (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That whole 3RR issue

Thanks for the AIV report, but these wasn't a vandal case. In the future, 3RR might be a better choice. Oh, and if you're interested, see this on how I'm handling the issue. Thanks, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 07:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Keep up the good work, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 07:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Molloy, Tim (2008-11-05). "Video: Ralph Nader Racial Obama Remark". TVGuide. Retrieved 2008-11-05.
  2. ^ "Nader Criticized for 'Uncle Tom' Reference During Obama Discussion". MyFox Houston. Fox Interactive Media. 2008-11-05. Retrieved 2008-11-05.
  3. ^ http://www.dailypaul.com/node/71853
  4. ^ http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/11/07/rn-statement-on-tru/
  5. ^ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=25077288
  6. ^ http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/26/exclusive-interview-nader-responds-to-spoiler-claim.html
  7. ^ Fox News Grills Ralph Nader on Obama/"Uncle Tom" Remark - Today's Our News: Our Take | TVGuide.com
  8. ^ http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7797777&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1