Talk:Van Briggle Pottery

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Removal of commercial link

I certainly have no problem with the trend toward not allowing commercial sites to use wiki as a spam platform.

However, many commercial sources are used when they are obviously also legitimate sources of expert information. (Example: The Chicago Tribune is a commercial web site, yet a legitimate source of wiki information)

The links to free information and history pages on the commercial web site Just Art Pottery Just Art Pottery is another such example. The owner of the site is widely known as an enthusiastic collector of American Art Pottery, is very generous with information, is sought after as a public speaker on pottery, and is willing to help anyone who has questions about pottery. Yes, he sells pottery. That is not a crime. He is also an invaluable, reliable, expert resource on this topic.

I feel strongly that the links to the Just Art Pottery information pages should be restored (they were deleted). There is a fine line between blocking spam links, and having a knee-jerk anti-business bias. VanBrigglePottery 18:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article about Pottery, not about founder

Someone appears to want the article about Van Briggle Pottery to be redone as an article about it's founder, and redirected links from "Van Briggle Pottery" etc. to "Artus Van Briggle."

I suggest if the author of those changes wishes to write an article about Artus Van Briggle, that he do so without vandalizing other articles. There is certainly enough about the man's life to warrant a full article on it's own right, however this article about the oldest American pottery is about that institution from founding until today, not about the person of the founder.

significant impact on the Art Nouveau movement worldwide

Really? Please could someone give decent supporting references to this hyperbole. I challenge this claim as it looks to be suspeciously like fans promoting their own passion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.169.244 (talk) 16:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You "challenge this claim" of his fame based on what? Your sarcastic use of "Really" displays an oddly emotional quality regarding a simple historical subject. While it may be said that the author(s) of this article appear to be van briggle pottery "fans" - I counter that you appear to bear a grudge of some sort against either him or them. Are "fans" of VanGough forbidden from contributing? Are "fans" of Degas automatically suspect?

Here are just a few of countless references to Van Briggle's fame regarding the Art Nouveau movement. His pieces are displayed in museums worldwide as examples of Art Nouveau. He is credited with "putting Colorado Springs on the map" for that very Art Nouveau contribution.

http://antiqueshoppefl.com/archives/abrandt/briggle.htm "Van Briggle was a key figure in bringing the concept of Art Nouveau to the United States."

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9477794 "He was best known for his "Art Nouveau" designs and rediscovering the lost Ming Dynasty formula for satin matte glazes. He won numerous awards from prestigious organizations such as the Paris Salon, the Saint Louis Exhibition, the Lewis and Clark Centennial, and the Arts and Crafts Exhibition in Boston. Pottery pieces made by Artus Van Briggle are displayed in museums that include the Metropolitan Museum in New York City, New York, the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C., the British Museum in London, England, and at the Louvre in Paris, France."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,439201,00.html "Van Briggle's pottery created something of a sensation, winning awards at the Paris Salon of 1903 and the St. Louis World's Fair of 1904. But it's not easy to get a sense of the man who - more than anyone else - first put Colorado Springs on the international arts map." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.124.226 (talk) 00:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks as if User 86.153.169.244 has upset User 72.11.124.226! I'll don't wish to get in the middle but I can not find in any of the references given by User 72.11.124.226 anything to substantiate the claim of the pottery being a "significant impact on the Art Nouveau movement worldwide". Sure they praise the pottery and the man but where is it about the impact on the global movement? (and by the way when I followed the foxnews link it was about Bigfoot: did he work at the pottery :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.238.178 (talk) 03:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks as if there are a couple of individuals who intensely dislike the Van Briggle Pottery and are putting this particular entry under a microscope and trying their hardest, using the excuse of inappropriately applied rules, to reduce it to rubble. The above links are in regards to the person of Artus Van Briggle, who was indisputably foundational to the Art Nouveau movement. (Foundational = He was in at the beginning, his works were world-famous at the time, world famous to this day, displayed in museums worldwide as examples of Art Nouveau, and no serious art historian would deny those facts.) Only a disturbed person with a grudge would go to such lengths to remove any references to Van Briggle's contribution to the Art Nouveau movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.124.226 (talk) 23:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"... who was indisputably foundational to the Art Nouveau movement." No he was not. You have not been able to support this claim. I can not see any evidence of any intense dislike of Van Briggle Pottery, rather objection to fanboy hyperbole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.42.88 (talk) 17:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I've had time I have undertaken a few edits to remove some of the overblown text without removing content. It may also be worth commenting that at least part of the cause of the flare up from 72.11.124.226 could have resulted from his/her misunderstanding of what "foundational" means as it is not "his works were world-famous at the time" or "world famous to this day" etc.

split

This really should be two articles-one about the artist/founder, one about the pottery. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]