Talk:Tate & Lyle

Can we add Domino sugar to make a list of brands?

How do GNR and BBC reckon T&L to be the UKs oldest brand? According to the article T&L was founded in 1921 out of two companies (the oldest Lyle being founded in 1865).

Either date is way too late as UK's oldest brand when you consider that Lloyds was established in 1688, Bank of Scotland 1695, Crosse and Blackwell 1706, Royal Sun Insurance 1710, Whitbread 1742, Wedgwood 1759, Yardley 1770, Bass 1777... and so on (in fact under brands, Wikipedia has a useful list of businesses going back to c1000).

Against this T&L is an also ran!

It can't even claim to have the oldest registered UK trademark as Bass had No1 on 1st January 1876. Perhaps what they meant was that T&L has the oldest pack design. Even so, I would have thought that the likes of Colman's mustard, Bass Light Ale and .. if not UK, bottled Guiness (and Camp Coffee until recently) could maybe beat that as well?). NeilW 17:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article is clear that it's the packaging from 1885: presumably the others have changed too much to qualify. . dave souza, talk 20:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article is confused as there is a difference between brand (of which many predate T&L) and the tin design (of which it may be the oldest packaging) Sadly the requirement of Wikipedia is verifibility and not truth or facts (which is a fundamental and monumentally stupid flaw) so the reference is permitted in the bizzare world that is Wikipedia.