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Huggle not broken

A unified account seems to fix the problem. I went to Special:MergeAccount and after I could get in Huggle. --CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of other stuff is broken as well. For example, blocking. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 19:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Huggle not broken

A unified account seems to fix the problem. I went to Special:MergeAccount and after I could get in Huggle. --CanadianLinuxUser (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of other stuff is broken as well. For example, blocking. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 19:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archives: Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3, Archive 4, Archive 5, Archive 6, Archive 7, Archive 8 

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Feedback

Lists

I've noticed that Huggle has a whitelist why not create a blacklist that keeps track of users and ips with multiple vandalism reports against them or have been blocked in the past. Flagging edits by these users or ips would make it easier to catch repeat offenders. Being blacklisted wouldn't have to be permanent either it could have an expiration. Huggle works great for me and its working much better than what I had been using to counter vandalism. -Vcelloho (talk) 08:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error in huggle

I keep getting this message:

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: StartIndex cannot be less than zero. Parameter name: startIndex at System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy) at Huggle.Page.get_Owner() at Huggle.Queue.MatchesFilter(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessNewEdit(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Irc.ProcessIrcEdit(Object EditObject)

Then I press continue and huggle goes back to normal. It's a bit annoying, so could someone tell me what's going on?--res2216firestar 23:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been seeing this error as well, running 8.1. --JaGatalk 23:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ditto on 8.2 as well. It happens to me when i try and add custom edit summaries. It doesn't work and instead i have to rely on going advanced and the summaries are there saved across sessions. If i try and add it, it states it worked im my config. but when i open huggle again, its back to the default. Monster Under Your Bed (talk) 06:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bug?

I got this error report twice after clicking the next edit button on the main toolbar. Is it a bug? Below is the error report:

EventType : clr20r3 P1 : huggle 8.2.exe P2 : 0.8.2.0 P3 : 48f9b1e9 P4 : huggle P5 : 0.8.2.0 P6:48f9ble9 P7 : cea P8 : 145 Thanks. leujohn (talk, contribs) 13:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Messages

I found that he first time I opened Huggle when I turned my computer on, the messages when it first opens is not there. If I close Huggle and open it again, it works. Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks. leujohn (talk, contribs) 09:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been getting the exact same thing on any version past 0.7.12. It's just a blank white space. Sometimes it works, but most of the time, it doesn't. VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me 15:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with reporting

Huggle did not report 24.205.225.15 automatically when the IP had vandalised after a final warning. This happened to both me and User:Wysprgr2005. Trying to report manually (B) didn't work either. Any idea why this was? Chamal talk 03:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having the same problem. At final warning it's not auto reporting any more. When I look at the options in huggle it's set to auto but then when I go to save those options it gives me an error that it can't save the user configuration... Sionus [talk] 16:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting the local config files for Huggle seemed to work. At least so far... Sionus [talk] 16:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Policy change not yet reflected in Huggle

The newly implemented A9 speedy deletion criterion should be added to the next version of Huggle. It is about articles on non-notable albums released by bands that have no Wikipedia article, or whose article has been deleted, either via AfD or A7 speedy. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. We have tried to add the new CSD into huggle via the config (well rather gurch has) but for some reason it does not seem to be working. We will try to fix this up for the next release. Thanks for informing us of this change. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 15:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is I want to make it display as a subcriterion of A7 (because that's essentially what it is) but use A9, not A7, as the key. Seems when I came up with the config format I didn't anticipate wanting to do that so it doesn't work -- Gurch (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

login error

When trying to log in to meta: I'm getting the error, "Failed to retrieve user rights" . — xaosflux Talk 07:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as bug#116 — xaosflux Talk 01:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: same problem on commons: — xaosflux Talk 16:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New message bug

I got a message in Huggle telling me I had new messages, when it was actually MiszaBot III archiving some threads. That edit was not picked up in Wikipedia proper (i.e. in IE7) but was registered as a new message by the Huggle programme. It Is Me Here (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle currently treats any edit as a new message, as MediaWiki used to but no longer does -- Gurch (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bot edits are not treated as new messages in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 09:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This bug's back :(

Was just reverting vandalism on Huggle and saw an anonymous IP revert vandalism - [1]. (Not me by the way, although it did happen to me in the past).

Seems like this bug is back :(.

TheSuave 14:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that the reverter is in the same /16 block as the vandal... -- Gurch (talk) 14:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that too. An anonymous case of sockpuppetry perhaps? TheSuave 17:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Can someone explain to me why Huggle works on the computer at my parents house, but not mine (it use to). Do I need to change the proxy settings or what to get it to work? CTJF83Talk 05:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Operating systems? --Closedmouth (talk) 06:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
XP on both CTJF83Talk 06:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you have the ".NET Framework 2.0" on your computer? (if something like AWB works, then you do have it. otherwise check.) If you don't, there's a link to it on Wikipedia talk:Huggle/Download. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 14:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I verified I do have that. I don't understand why it use to work here, and now it doesn't. Any more help? CTJF83Talk 21:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hm... what's the error message (if there is one)? Calvin 1998 (t·c) 03:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a generic "Huggle has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." It happens on all 3 versions. CTJF83Talk 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No buttons that say "Show details" or anything like that? Hmm... Calvin 1998 (t·c) 23:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correct...I'm as perplexed as you are. Please help me fix it. I miss using Huggle! CTJF83Talk 00:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At what point does the application stop working? -- Gurch (talk) 07:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was around the time I switched to the newest version. I have tired the older version, and neither work. CTJF83Talk 23:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When you run it, does it get as far as displaying the login screen? If so, does it finish logging in before the problem occurs? -- Gurch (talk) 00:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can login but as it is, the green login bar goes up by 4, and then the error occurs. CTJF83Talk 00:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Try deleting the local configuration files (by default, C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Huggle) -- Gurch (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
7 and 8.1 don't work. 8.2 says "The remote name could not be resolved: en.wikipedia.org" CTJF83Talk 22:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be cool

If someone made a Linux alternative for Huggle. - Unpopular Opinion (talk) 15:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's one called VandalProof. Problem being that it's currently broken. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 17:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ok, thanks for the reply. - Unpopular Opinion (talk) 05:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think gurch just managed to make an edit using huggle in mono. Who knows, there might be a release in the future that will run under mono!! ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 11:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt it -- Gurch (talk) 07:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feature Request

Could it be possible to be able to view 2 queues at one time? One in focus so that the "Next edit" button only goes to edits in that one, and another one in the backround, such as a new page queue? It might sound absurd, but it might be a nice feature to some people. VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me 20:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might be able to have 2 queues rather than one (one left and one right). Then options to hide and show each queue individually and then the selection (what appears in queue) for each also. Then remove the option for which side the one queue at the moment is located on. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 20:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on what you mean by "in the background". All of the 'live' queues are updated all of the time, but to actually view one or select a revision from it you have to switch to it -- Gurch (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another feature

Would it be possible to use {{Subst:Blank|article}} specifically for page blanking? -- IRP ☎ 17:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can, though you have to do it manually. For most cases, though, the normal warning or at most the removal of content warning should be fine. Note that in the 'standard' series of warning templates, {{uw-blank}} redirects to {{uw-delete}} anyway -- Gurch (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to add the feature to the software? The warning looks like:
Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers.
If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please 
revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please [[Wikipedia:How to 
edit a page|edit]] the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for 
how to proceed.
-- IRP ☎ 20:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is implemented in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tag for speedy deletion function for eswiki

Just wondering that if it's possible to activate the "speedy deletion tagging" function for the es:wiki version of Huggle, I really like it and it is very quick. macy 00:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does es.wikipedia have a speedy deletion policy? I can't find it -- Gurch (talk) 04:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
es:Wikipedia:Política de borrado rápido --Closedmouth (talk) 09:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since I made that in portuguese wikipedia, I think I can help (although it can be a little tricky). Just give me some time. Mosca (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Mosca (talk) 10:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It can probably be made to work without creating all the extra templates for tagging -- e.g. to use
Destruir|1=Evidente vandalismo o falsedad
instead of
Huggle/DestruirG1
Also I don't know if they use the 'G1' style abbreviations on es.wikipedia but if not it might be a bit confusing to them -- Gurch (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, could be a little tricky to adapt. I did what I could although it's not the better solution. If you fix that, great. But may be Huggle has more urgent bugs. It seems es.wiki (like pt.wiki) don't use 'G1' style abbreviations. Fortunately their criteria are very similar to english criteria. Even if we don't understand codes like "G1" we understand speedy delete reasons. By the way, thank you very much for this fix in issue 95. That was annoying in other projects. Mosca (talk) 10:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Portability

Any chance HG can work portably? (I'm assuming not since the framework is most probably attached to the OS.) Also it says that an IRC connection is optional, does that mean that HG can receive the feed from elsewhere as well? -- Mentisock 18:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes huggle can also take the "feed" from Special:Recentchanges. But in this case it isnt really a feed it just reloads the page every few seconds. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 19:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've opened an issue in huggle's issue tracker on Google Code about config file locations that, if resolved, will reduce issues with running huggle from e.g. a flash drive. Unfortunately it won't solve problems with .NET being unavailable, but it will increase consistency of options like the startup "Messages" dialog between computers.
As an aside, I've gotten HG to run from a custom shortcut in U3; all you need is a shortcut creator (easily Googled). Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 20:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The CLI is not attached to any OS in principle, but in practise the only complete implementation of it is Microsoft's .NET framework. A cross-platform implementation exists (Mono) but it is only a partial implementation and so far I have been unable to make Huggle run on it on any OS other than Windows -- Gurch (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Frustrated Moan*

Sometimes, when I try to revert an edit, nothing happens. It takes a few seconds, and does not say that i have reverted anything. Maybe you could fix that. Thanks. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try looking through your contributions. Odds are you will see someone reverted the same time as you, and just barely beat you to the punch. Law shoot! 22:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the revision you are trying to revert to is identical to the latest revision, this will happen. In the next version I've added an explict message to this effect -- Gurch (talk) 07:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same Ptoblem as in version 7

I am facing the same problem as version 7. Whenever I click the blue arrow, I never go to the next page. Even though the "adress bar" lists the page title, I am still stuck on the page. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion notifications

I haven't gotten all the way through this yet, but I have included the information about the {{hangon}} template in the messages. Does it need some more formatting? Explain your thoughts. SchfiftyThree(Public) 15:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copying text from another template and expecting it to magically have the same parameters doesn't work. If you want a separate parameter for the discussion page name, that will have to be implemented in Huggle first -- Gurch (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Errors while running other programs

I recently noticed that huggle does not seem to work on my computer while I am running other .NET programs. If I try to rollback while I have another program running, I get the message "Reverting page: couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed respons from the server." Is this normal, and if so, is there something I could do to prevent it? Thanks! Firebat08 (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happens if you run two instances of Huggle at the same time? -- Gurch (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help

I have just got the rollback feature on my account and have downloaded huggle but when I open it, it says to check my user configuration page as huggle is not enabled. Can anyone help. Andy (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. You need to create a user config here (User:AtheWeatherman/huggle.css). It just needs to contain "enable:true" and then huggle should run. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 19:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quitting

Huggle keeps quitting for some reason. This has never done this until today; today is has quit at least 4 times in the last hour. Anyone else having troubles? Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 16:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I am unable to do use Huggle at all. It gives me an error message when I try to rollback an edit. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 16:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What does the error message say? -- Gurch (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I restarted my computer and have not experienced the error again yet. I will let you know if it happens again. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.NET?

Why the hell is Huggle using .NET? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be accessible by all. Relying on non-free software prevents that.

Because Wikipedia does not make, sponsor, help out, support, or even officially endorse huggle. The source itself, by the way, is free (both copyright-free and free of charge). The .NET Framework is also "free" in the monetary sense, although I don't think it is in the software sense. Oh, and Huggle uses .NET because Gurch programs in that language (and quite solely because of that reason). Calvin 1998 (t·c) 04:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huggle's source code is in the public domain; the CLI (of which the .NET Framework is an implementation) is an open standard; the .NET Framework itself is available under one of Microsoft's "Shared Source" licenses, which make the source code available but aren't considered "open source" under the definitions used by the OSI and others, as they impose additional restrictions, such as prohibiting derivative works and commercial use, making them more like Creative Commons' more restrictive licenses -- Gurch (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation to use open-source software at all levels of their organization. Huggle is not a project of the Wikimedia Foundation. Let me know when they start allocating a portion of their funding to Huggle development, and your argument may make some sense. Even then, though, Huggle is hardly essential for the access of Wikipedia, in the same way that the MediaWiki/PHP/MySQL/Apache/Linux stack is -- Gurch (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turn off new message notification

Any way to turn off the yellow notification bar that shows up whenever someone edits my talk page? I think its a bit distracting. I'd prefer checking for new messages manually through my browser. [[::User:Unpopular Opinion|Unpopular Opinion]] ([[::User talk:Unpopular Opinion|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Unpopular Opinion|contribs]]) 16:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

This is implemented in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible bug?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to drop a bug report, but it seems that Huggle is doing something odd when providing diffs when warning users. For example, here, if you click, the article and talk links at the top are all redlinks- this is because the diff includes a plus instead of a whitespace character. It seems that I'm not the only one doing that. A user recently wrote on my talk page reporting this and said it was confusing. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 21:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks for the speedy reply! —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filter on diff text?

Recently, I've found the Manage Queues facility very useful, especially the ability to match usernames/IPs by regular expression. Would it be possible to implement a regex filter on the content of the current diff? By leaving Huggle running in the background, this would be useful to find persistent spammers who are using dynamic IPs to insert the same or similar text on various pages, like this and this, which could be spotted with a regex. I have a vague idea that this has already been requested and you've said it isn't possible, but I've looked back to September and can't see it.  —SMALLJIM  00:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not impossible as such. The problem is that, at least on the English Wikipedia, loading every diff for every revision isn't really feasible, even with whitelisted users filtered out. Because of this, Huggle only loads a few diffs in advance, so the filter would only be run on those. Options to force loading of all diffs and/or change the preloading limit for individual queues might be possible, but has other problems, not least of which is its unfriendliness to the server end of things, which Huggle places a very high demand on as it is, especially if one were planning to run such an arrangement in the background -- Gurch (talk) 01:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. I was forgetting that the IRC feed doesn't include diffs and they have to be fetched separately. What I didn't make clear was that I wouldn't want to look at all diffs, only those coming from the known IP range, i.e. it would be used in conjunction with the username filter. The recent ranges I've been working on have been throwing up a handful of edits a minute at most. Maybe it could be implemented but limited to a /10 CIDR block or something? It would be good if it could go "ping" or pop up a messagebox when it matched too! Just some thoughts, really - I suppose I'm trying to use the tool for something it wasn't designed for.  —SMALLJIM  14:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Implemented in the next version:
* Option for each queue to load diffs for all revisions in that queue when it is active.
* Revision content filter for each queue. Diffs will be loaded for all revisions that match a queue's other filters, then diff content will be checked and the revisions shown in the queue only if the revision content filter also matches.
* Option for each queue to show a notification in system tray each time a revision is added to that queue, if "show tray icon" option in System -> Options is enabled.
Gurch (talk) 06:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! Thanks for adding this. It sounds excellent and I look forward to trying it out. Your first bullet point worries me a bit though, because it sounds like it would have the potential to cause the excessive server load that you were concerned about. What am I missing?  —SMALLJIM  21:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing. Just don't enable it for the "All edits" queue. Or at least, don't expect me to accept any responsibility for the consequences if you do -- Gurch (talk) 22:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glitch

EventType : clr20r3 / P1 : huggle 0.8.2.exe / P2 : 0.8.2.0 / P3 : 48f9b1e9 / P4 : microsoft.visualbasic / P5 : 8.0.0.0 / P6 : 4333d6d8 / P7 : 35e / P8 : 36 / P9 : system.invalidcastexception

This happened right after I moved on to the next diff after making this edit. I am adding this to the bug tracker as we speak. — neuro(talk) 09:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zing. — neuro(talk) 09:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Block?

I haven't used Huggle in ages and have just installed the new version. The old command of Report a User (B) does not switch to Block a User when I operate the command in Huggle. Has the command changed?¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Temporarily disabled as it's defaulting to "do not allow user to edit their own talk page" and hence preventing incorrectly blocked accounts from posting {{unblock}} requests. – iridescent 00:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see...Better start hitting R instead of Q on the 5th revert :/.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Standard practice seems to be let it report to AIV rather than keep flipping programs to block; then, every so often hop over to AIV and clear out a batch of someone else's reports (to cancel out the additional strain you've put on the long-suffering AIV-monitors). Seems to work. – iridescent 00:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AIV reporting

I have noticed that sometimes, even when a user has not been reported or blocked, huggle does not issue an AIV report. I have checked my preferences and reporting is enabled. I am adding this to the issue tracker.--Res2216firestar 17:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to do that. If they have been warned in the past minute or so, they wont be warned again. You can see this in the logs. 211.30.109.24 (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback?

When I try to log on, it gives me a message saying "Use of Huggle on this project requires Rollback.". Is there a specific thing I need to do to enable rollback? Lazylaces (Talk to me 19:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to have the rollback user right, which is required to run huggle in order to prevent abuse. You can request it here. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback

Lists

I've noticed that Huggle has a whitelist why not create a blacklist that keeps track of users and ips with multiple vandalism reports against them or have been blocked in the past. Flagging edits by these users or ips would make it easier to catch repeat offenders. Being blacklisted wouldn't have to be permanent either it could have an expiration. Huggle works great for me and its working much better than what I had been using to counter vandalism. -Vcelloho (talk) 08:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error in huggle

I keep getting this message:

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: StartIndex cannot be less than zero. Parameter name: startIndex at System.String.InternalSubStringWithChecks(Int32 startIndex, Int32 length, Boolean fAlwaysCopy) at Huggle.Page.get_Owner() at Huggle.Queue.MatchesFilter(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Processing.ProcessNewEdit(Edit Edit) at Huggle.Irc.ProcessIrcEdit(Object EditObject)

Then I press continue and huggle goes back to normal. It's a bit annoying, so could someone tell me what's going on?--res2216firestar 23:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been seeing this error as well, running 8.1. --JaGatalk 23:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ditto on 8.2 as well. It happens to me when i try and add custom edit summaries. It doesn't work and instead i have to rely on going advanced and the summaries are there saved across sessions. If i try and add it, it states it worked im my config. but when i open huggle again, its back to the default. Monster Under Your Bed (talk) 06:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bug?

I got this error report twice after clicking the next edit button on the main toolbar. Is it a bug? Below is the error report:

EventType : clr20r3 P1 : huggle 8.2.exe P2 : 0.8.2.0 P3 : 48f9b1e9 P4 : huggle P5 : 0.8.2.0 P6:48f9ble9 P7 : cea P8 : 145 Thanks. leujohn (talk, contribs) 13:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Messages

I found that he first time I opened Huggle when I turned my computer on, the messages when it first opens is not there. If I close Huggle and open it again, it works. Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks. leujohn (talk, contribs) 09:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been getting the exact same thing on any version past 0.7.12. It's just a blank white space. Sometimes it works, but most of the time, it doesn't. VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me 15:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with reporting

Huggle did not report 24.205.225.15 automatically when the IP had vandalised after a final warning. This happened to both me and User:Wysprgr2005. Trying to report manually (B) didn't work either. Any idea why this was? Chamal talk 03:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having the same problem. At final warning it's not auto reporting any more. When I look at the options in huggle it's set to auto but then when I go to save those options it gives me an error that it can't save the user configuration... Sionus [talk] 16:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting the local config files for Huggle seemed to work. At least so far... Sionus [talk] 16:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Policy change not yet reflected in Huggle

The newly implemented A9 speedy deletion criterion should be added to the next version of Huggle. It is about articles on non-notable albums released by bands that have no Wikipedia article, or whose article has been deleted, either via AfD or A7 speedy. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. We have tried to add the new CSD into huggle via the config (well rather gurch has) but for some reason it does not seem to be working. We will try to fix this up for the next release. Thanks for informing us of this change. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 15:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is I want to make it display as a subcriterion of A7 (because that's essentially what it is) but use A9, not A7, as the key. Seems when I came up with the config format I didn't anticipate wanting to do that so it doesn't work -- Gurch (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

login error

When trying to log in to meta: I'm getting the error, "Failed to retrieve user rights" . — xaosflux Talk 07:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as bug#116 — xaosflux Talk 01:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: same problem on commons: — xaosflux Talk 16:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New message bug

I got a message in Huggle telling me I had new messages, when it was actually MiszaBot III archiving some threads. That edit was not picked up in Wikipedia proper (i.e. in IE7) but was registered as a new message by the Huggle programme. It Is Me Here (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle currently treats any edit as a new message, as MediaWiki used to but no longer does -- Gurch (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bot edits are not treated as new messages in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 09:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This bug's back :(

Was just reverting vandalism on Huggle and saw an anonymous IP revert vandalism - [2]. (Not me by the way, although it did happen to me in the past).

Seems like this bug is back :(.

TheSuave 14:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that the reverter is in the same /16 block as the vandal... -- Gurch (talk) 14:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that too. An anonymous case of sockpuppetry perhaps? TheSuave 17:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Can someone explain to me why Huggle works on the computer at my parents house, but not mine (it use to). Do I need to change the proxy settings or what to get it to work? CTJF83Talk 05:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Operating systems? --Closedmouth (talk) 06:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
XP on both CTJF83Talk 06:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you have the ".NET Framework 2.0" on your computer? (if something like AWB works, then you do have it. otherwise check.) If you don't, there's a link to it on Wikipedia talk:Huggle/Download. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 14:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I verified I do have that. I don't understand why it use to work here, and now it doesn't. Any more help? CTJF83Talk 21:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hm... what's the error message (if there is one)? Calvin 1998 (t·c) 03:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a generic "Huggle has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." It happens on all 3 versions. CTJF83Talk 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No buttons that say "Show details" or anything like that? Hmm... Calvin 1998 (t·c) 23:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correct...I'm as perplexed as you are. Please help me fix it. I miss using Huggle! CTJF83Talk 00:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At what point does the application stop working? -- Gurch (talk) 07:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was around the time I switched to the newest version. I have tired the older version, and neither work. CTJF83Talk 23:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When you run it, does it get as far as displaying the login screen? If so, does it finish logging in before the problem occurs? -- Gurch (talk) 00:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can login but as it is, the green login bar goes up by 4, and then the error occurs. CTJF83Talk 00:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Try deleting the local configuration files (by default, C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Huggle) -- Gurch (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
7 and 8.1 don't work. 8.2 says "The remote name could not be resolved: en.wikipedia.org" CTJF83Talk 22:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be cool

If someone made a Linux alternative for Huggle. - Unpopular Opinion (talk) 15:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's one called VandalProof. Problem being that it's currently broken. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 17:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ok, thanks for the reply. - Unpopular Opinion (talk) 05:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think gurch just managed to make an edit using huggle in mono. Who knows, there might be a release in the future that will run under mono!! ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 11:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt it -- Gurch (talk) 07:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feature Request

Could it be possible to be able to view 2 queues at one time? One in focus so that the "Next edit" button only goes to edits in that one, and another one in the backround, such as a new page queue? It might sound absurd, but it might be a nice feature to some people. VandalismDestroyer | Talk to me 20:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might be able to have 2 queues rather than one (one left and one right). Then options to hide and show each queue individually and then the selection (what appears in queue) for each also. Then remove the option for which side the one queue at the moment is located on. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 20:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on what you mean by "in the background". All of the 'live' queues are updated all of the time, but to actually view one or select a revision from it you have to switch to it -- Gurch (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another feature

Would it be possible to use {{Subst:Blank|article}} specifically for page blanking? -- IRP ☎ 17:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can, though you have to do it manually. For most cases, though, the normal warning or at most the removal of content warning should be fine. Note that in the 'standard' series of warning templates, {{uw-blank}} redirects to {{uw-delete}} anyway -- Gurch (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to add the feature to the software? The warning looks like:
Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers.
If it is a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalised, please 
revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please [[Wikipedia:How to 
edit a page|edit]] the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for 
how to proceed.
-- IRP ☎ 20:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is implemented in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tag for speedy deletion function for eswiki

Just wondering that if it's possible to activate the "speedy deletion tagging" function for the es:wiki version of Huggle, I really like it and it is very quick. macy 00:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does es.wikipedia have a speedy deletion policy? I can't find it -- Gurch (talk) 04:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
es:Wikipedia:Política de borrado rápido --Closedmouth (talk) 09:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since I made that in portuguese wikipedia, I think I can help (although it can be a little tricky). Just give me some time. Mosca (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Mosca (talk) 10:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It can probably be made to work without creating all the extra templates for tagging -- e.g. to use
Destruir|1=Evidente vandalismo o falsedad
instead of
Huggle/DestruirG1
Also I don't know if they use the 'G1' style abbreviations on es.wikipedia but if not it might be a bit confusing to them -- Gurch (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, could be a little tricky to adapt. I did what I could although it's not the better solution. If you fix that, great. But may be Huggle has more urgent bugs. It seems es.wiki (like pt.wiki) don't use 'G1' style abbreviations. Fortunately their criteria are very similar to english criteria. Even if we don't understand codes like "G1" we understand speedy delete reasons. By the way, thank you very much for this fix in issue 95. That was annoying in other projects. Mosca (talk) 10:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Portability

Any chance HG can work portably? (I'm assuming not since the framework is most probably attached to the OS.) Also it says that an IRC connection is optional, does that mean that HG can receive the feed from elsewhere as well? -- Mentisock 18:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes huggle can also take the "feed" from Special:Recentchanges. But in this case it isnt really a feed it just reloads the page every few seconds. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 19:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've opened an issue in huggle's issue tracker on Google Code about config file locations that, if resolved, will reduce issues with running huggle from e.g. a flash drive. Unfortunately it won't solve problems with .NET being unavailable, but it will increase consistency of options like the startup "Messages" dialog between computers.
As an aside, I've gotten HG to run from a custom shortcut in U3; all you need is a shortcut creator (easily Googled). Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 20:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The CLI is not attached to any OS in principle, but in practise the only complete implementation of it is Microsoft's .NET framework. A cross-platform implementation exists (Mono) but it is only a partial implementation and so far I have been unable to make Huggle run on it on any OS other than Windows -- Gurch (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Frustrated Moan*

Sometimes, when I try to revert an edit, nothing happens. It takes a few seconds, and does not say that i have reverted anything. Maybe you could fix that. Thanks. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try looking through your contributions. Odds are you will see someone reverted the same time as you, and just barely beat you to the punch. Law shoot! 22:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the revision you are trying to revert to is identical to the latest revision, this will happen. In the next version I've added an explict message to this effect -- Gurch (talk) 07:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same Ptoblem as in version 7

I am facing the same problem as version 7. Whenever I click the blue arrow, I never go to the next page. Even though the "adress bar" lists the page title, I am still stuck on the page. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion notifications

I haven't gotten all the way through this yet, but I have included the information about the {{hangon}} template in the messages. Does it need some more formatting? Explain your thoughts. SchfiftyThree(Public) 15:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copying text from another template and expecting it to magically have the same parameters doesn't work. If you want a separate parameter for the discussion page name, that will have to be implemented in Huggle first -- Gurch (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Errors while running other programs

I recently noticed that huggle does not seem to work on my computer while I am running other .NET programs. If I try to rollback while I have another program running, I get the message "Reverting page: couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed respons from the server." Is this normal, and if so, is there something I could do to prevent it? Thanks! Firebat08 (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happens if you run two instances of Huggle at the same time? -- Gurch (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help

I have just got the rollback feature on my account and have downloaded huggle but when I open it, it says to check my user configuration page as huggle is not enabled. Can anyone help. Andy (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. You need to create a user config here (User:AtheWeatherman/huggle.css). It just needs to contain "enable:true" and then huggle should run. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 19:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quitting

Huggle keeps quitting for some reason. This has never done this until today; today is has quit at least 4 times in the last hour. Anyone else having troubles? Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 16:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I am unable to do use Huggle at all. It gives me an error message when I try to rollback an edit. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 16:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What does the error message say? -- Gurch (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I restarted my computer and have not experienced the error again yet. I will let you know if it happens again. Eric Wester (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.NET?

Why the hell is Huggle using .NET? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be accessible by all. Relying on non-free software prevents that.

Because Wikipedia does not make, sponsor, help out, support, or even officially endorse huggle. The source itself, by the way, is free (both copyright-free and free of charge). The .NET Framework is also "free" in the monetary sense, although I don't think it is in the software sense. Oh, and Huggle uses .NET because Gurch programs in that language (and quite solely because of that reason). Calvin 1998 (t·c) 04:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huggle's source code is in the public domain; the CLI (of which the .NET Framework is an implementation) is an open standard; the .NET Framework itself is available under one of Microsoft's "Shared Source" licenses, which make the source code available but aren't considered "open source" under the definitions used by the OSI and others, as they impose additional restrictions, such as prohibiting derivative works and commercial use, making them more like Creative Commons' more restrictive licenses -- Gurch (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation to use open-source software at all levels of their organization. Huggle is not a project of the Wikimedia Foundation. Let me know when they start allocating a portion of their funding to Huggle development, and your argument may make some sense. Even then, though, Huggle is hardly essential for the access of Wikipedia, in the same way that the MediaWiki/PHP/MySQL/Apache/Linux stack is -- Gurch (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turn off new message notification

Any way to turn off the yellow notification bar that shows up whenever someone edits my talk page? I think its a bit distracting. I'd prefer checking for new messages manually through my browser. [[::User:Unpopular Opinion|Unpopular Opinion]] ([[::User talk:Unpopular Opinion|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Unpopular Opinion|contribs]]) 16:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

This is implemented in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible bug?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to drop a bug report, but it seems that Huggle is doing something odd when providing diffs when warning users. For example, here, if you click, the article and talk links at the top are all redlinks- this is because the diff includes a plus instead of a whitespace character. It seems that I'm not the only one doing that. A user recently wrote on my talk page reporting this and said it was confusing. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 21:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks for the speedy reply! —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filter on diff text?

Recently, I've found the Manage Queues facility very useful, especially the ability to match usernames/IPs by regular expression. Would it be possible to implement a regex filter on the content of the current diff? By leaving Huggle running in the background, this would be useful to find persistent spammers who are using dynamic IPs to insert the same or similar text on various pages, like this and this, which could be spotted with a regex. I have a vague idea that this has already been requested and you've said it isn't possible, but I've looked back to September and can't see it.  —SMALLJIM  00:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not impossible as such. The problem is that, at least on the English Wikipedia, loading every diff for every revision isn't really feasible, even with whitelisted users filtered out. Because of this, Huggle only loads a few diffs in advance, so the filter would only be run on those. Options to force loading of all diffs and/or change the preloading limit for individual queues might be possible, but has other problems, not least of which is its unfriendliness to the server end of things, which Huggle places a very high demand on as it is, especially if one were planning to run such an arrangement in the background -- Gurch (talk) 01:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. I was forgetting that the IRC feed doesn't include diffs and they have to be fetched separately. What I didn't make clear was that I wouldn't want to look at all diffs, only those coming from the known IP range, i.e. it would be used in conjunction with the username filter. The recent ranges I've been working on have been throwing up a handful of edits a minute at most. Maybe it could be implemented but limited to a /10 CIDR block or something? It would be good if it could go "ping" or pop up a messagebox when it matched too! Just some thoughts, really - I suppose I'm trying to use the tool for something it wasn't designed for.  —SMALLJIM  14:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Implemented in the next version:
* Option for each queue to load diffs for all revisions in that queue when it is active.
* Revision content filter for each queue. Diffs will be loaded for all revisions that match a queue's other filters, then diff content will be checked and the revisions shown in the queue only if the revision content filter also matches.
* Option for each queue to show a notification in system tray each time a revision is added to that queue, if "show tray icon" option in System -> Options is enabled.
Gurch (talk) 06:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! Thanks for adding this. It sounds excellent and I look forward to trying it out. Your first bullet point worries me a bit though, because it sounds like it would have the potential to cause the excessive server load that you were concerned about. What am I missing?  —SMALLJIM  21:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing. Just don't enable it for the "All edits" queue. Or at least, don't expect me to accept any responsibility for the consequences if you do -- Gurch (talk) 22:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glitch

EventType : clr20r3 / P1 : huggle 0.8.2.exe / P2 : 0.8.2.0 / P3 : 48f9b1e9 / P4 : microsoft.visualbasic / P5 : 8.0.0.0 / P6 : 4333d6d8 / P7 : 35e / P8 : 36 / P9 : system.invalidcastexception

This happened right after I moved on to the next diff after making this edit. I am adding this to the bug tracker as we speak. — neuro(talk) 09:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zing. — neuro(talk) 09:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Block?

I haven't used Huggle in ages and have just installed the new version. The old command of Report a User (B) does not switch to Block a User when I operate the command in Huggle. Has the command changed?¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Temporarily disabled as it's defaulting to "do not allow user to edit their own talk page" and hence preventing incorrectly blocked accounts from posting {{unblock}} requests. – iridescent 00:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see...Better start hitting R instead of Q on the 5th revert :/.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Standard practice seems to be let it report to AIV rather than keep flipping programs to block; then, every so often hop over to AIV and clear out a batch of someone else's reports (to cancel out the additional strain you've put on the long-suffering AIV-monitors). Seems to work. – iridescent 00:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AIV reporting

I have noticed that sometimes, even when a user has not been reported or blocked, huggle does not issue an AIV report. I have checked my preferences and reporting is enabled. I am adding this to the issue tracker.--Res2216firestar 17:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to do that. If they have been warned in the past minute or so, they wont be warned again. You can see this in the logs. 211.30.109.24 (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback?

When I try to log on, it gives me a message saying "Use of Huggle on this project requires Rollback.". Is there a specific thing I need to do to enable rollback? Lazylaces (Talk to me 19:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to have the rollback user right, which is required to run huggle in order to prevent abuse. You can request it here. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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