Talk:List of Naruto characters

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Why Sasuke is

Why is Sasuke still listed under Protagonists? At this point, after all he's done and now knowing he wants to kill everyone in Konoha, he should definitely be taken out of this section. I don't see how there could be any debate about that. He's done nothing protagonistic in many many ages. And he's already listed in "List of Naruto antagonists" as part of Team Hawk, so having him here too can't be correct. Can't be both at the same time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 (talk) 01:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's still a main character, which is what the section is geared at covering. The section might need renaming to better reflect that. ~Snapper T o 02:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he is, but the two main lists are entitled protagonists and antagonists, not main characters and antagonists. Not to mention he's in both, so it would be entirely appropriate to remove him from the former. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.170.38 (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I suggested renaming the section "Main characters". Name aside, the current section he is in is most appropriate; Sasuke has always been a protagonist (main character), only recently becoming an antagonist (works against protagonist; not necessarily a main character). It's going to be somewhat confusing no matter where he's placed, and placing him with the rest of the original Team 7 is simply more accessible to readers. ~Snapper T o 23:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's shouldn't be one. Being a Main character doesn't mean you're a protagonist. His motives are the opposite of Naruto which makes him an antagonist. --Vehgah (talk) 19:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. By definition, protagonist simply means "main character", and antagonist means "those who oppose the main characters". As such, Sasuke, being a main character, is a protagonist. 174.130.12.242 (talk) 16:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tsunade....

Why is Tsunade here, but the Orochimaru and Jiraiya have their own articles?Moocowsrule (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

Because she does not reception info that all the other articles have.Tintor2 (talk) 02:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was alo not a creation and concept section either which all the other articles that have not be merged have as well. --76.66.182.242 (talk) 03:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's weird that the two Sannin who are dead (well one who is semi-absorbed/dead) have their own articles, yet the current Hokage doesn't. But if they didn't meet the criteria, then I guess it didn't deserve it's own article. But then someone should research that stuff about her. I think she deserves her own article, or Orochimaru and Jiraiya should be merged into this page. Moocowsrule (talk) 03:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

Importance within the series is entirely irrelevant to whether it has an article or not. If the character has enough coverage by independent reliable sources, then it passes WP:NOTE and the character will have an article. Both Jiraiya and Orochimaru have such sources and as such, are notable and should have articles. Tsunade's role in the series has zero effect on whether she has an article or not, and she has no such sources to demonstrate notability. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 04:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have said it differently. I meant someone should find more info about her. I was saying because she's a important character she deserves her own article, not that that's the only reason. I meant that that's one of the factors. Moocowsrule (talk) 06:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

There's not always information that's actually available. Please give examples of how she "deserves her own article". For now, it doesn't hurt to keep her here. 72.10.96.173 (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

>_<*... I need to work on explaining my ideas better... I meant if someone finds more info then she should get her own article.Moocowsrule (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

Months before the merge, I looked everywhere to look for reception. There was nothing of that. If you want to recreate that article I recommend you to make a sandbox of reception of Tsunade and then comment in the talk page. That is what I did when Rock Lee was merged.Tintor2 (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An idea

I've really scoured the Internet for reception information, but List of Naruto antagonists comes up short in that regard, as practically no reviews address the antagonists as a whole in any given spot. As such, that list gaining FL status is practically impossible, and this topic becomes impossible as well. Merging that list here has long been derided because we would exceed WP:SIZE, but given some examples of articles I've seen that have exceeded 100k simply because of the depth of the topic, I think we can ignore it here (say History of the Roman Catholic Church or Line of succession to the British throne). The character base is simply so large for a series this extensive that going over 100k is inevitable. As for the actual merge, the antagonists list has about 50k of mergeable content. That goes down to about 40k if you remove the Sound Four, and after an extensive copy-edit, I can see that going down to 30-35k (probably more actually, as we have a lot of detail on several of these characters). So yeah, unless someone can find some sources that I've missed, this seems to be the path we have to take. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is a good idea. I think it would help to define antagonists since it is a bit confusing if Gaara or Sasuke are antagonists (or at least readers have commented it in some talk pages).Tintor2 (talk) 17:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I detest this idea. List of Metal Gear Solid characters has little on the characters as a whole yet still manages FL status. It instead relies on out-of-universe info given for each individual character, something I'm sure the antagonists list could manage (especially since the third databaook apparently has design comments for every character). Further, antagonists are characters too, so to some extent you could rehash the Conception/Reception sections of this article. ~Snapper T o 19:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Metal Gear Solid characters is a fairly old FL that would not pass the current FLC process, and would have a good chance of being delisted if it was brought to FLRC. It's not the model to follow (relevant model was established with Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and so on from there), and the antagonists list will not pass FLC with random tidbits of reception under various characters (which is impossible in most cases considering that several of the Akatsuki characters are in no English media). Trust me when I say that I am very familiar with the FLC process (for obvious reasons). In any case, the conception in the antagonists list is bare-bones (most of the conception section replicates what is already present here in this character list), and the reception section is non-existant. There's not even much to say about the individual characters, who would get completely random mentions from odd sources if we follow the Metal Gear Solid character list model (making it look similar to Jutsu (Naruto) with the random IGN mentions, which is awful). I don't see the downsides to merging. It's not like the characters are being removed (I'm welcome to discussion on keeping the Sound Four, which seems plausible given that they have conception information), and there's no point to keeping the additional list if it's going to sit there. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 08:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am well aware of of your F/GA history. I am simply adverse to the idea of merging for the sake of merging. And yet I am even more adverse to thinning the character count by more than has already been done. If all the characters currently on the antagonists list survive the transfer I will be more agreeable to the idea. As an aside, there's some amount of reference overlap with the two articles (ex: Choji and Jirobo both reference chapter 190). Since references can make a considerable impact on an article's size, catching the duplicates should help with article size reduction. ~Snapper T o 19:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not proposing this for the sake of merging. If the antagonists list could go to FL, I wouldn't have a problem in keeping it, and I know that you're adverse against thinning the character count. Given the conception information for the Sound Four, I'm a bit more agreeable to keeping them, so to that end, we're keeping all our antagonists. Right now, copy-editing the character entries on the antagonists list down for the merge will IMO, significantly reduce the size of the merge, so let's do that and get to merging. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probley a good idea

Why dont we put each team on their own page ? Poohman0 (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Mercinary[reply]

Because not many of them have reliable coverage. If you could find a reliable source we probably could, but it would take up a lot of room. And don't you mean "probably"? Moocowsrule (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

YeaPoohman0 (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Whoever Put Chiyo Back In...

Tell me why in the world she's even close to being relevant. I thought Wikipedia isn't a list of indiscriminate information? 76.100.18.78 (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She is a main character... and what do you mean by "a list of indiscriminate information?"... that makes no sense... Moocowsrule (talk) 03:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule[reply]

It's not. If it was then there'd be an entry for that woman who loses her cat at the start of the series. An old discussion decided Chiyo was "major" enough to receive an entry. ~Snapper T o 03:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Tenten, Shino, Iruka and Konohamaru are worthy to be on this page, than Chiyo certainly is. She plays a larger role in the story than any of them, even if she was only in one story arc. I don't think there's really any question about the validity of characters on this list belonging here.Kuwabaratheman (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I really have a problem with this page. You allow characters who have only been shown in one arc, but won't allow so called "One-shot characters". If you're only concerned about size, as it appears from said discussion, why not just remove the entire other section? 76.100.18.78 (talk) 00:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I assume by one-shot character you mean Anko and the like? If you can give a compelling reason to add Anko, Ibiki, or any other infrequently-cameoing-higher-ranked-supplementary-character, they might very well be added. As to getting rid of the Other section, where then would we put Jiraiya or the nine-tailed plot device? ~Snapper T o 02:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... err... um... *looks* Oh, right, I had... yeah... eh-heh... at any rate, valid point. However, it may (may not) be worthy of note that Kishimoto himself has stated Anko is his favorite female character, as stated in the Naruto Anime Profiles, Volume 1: Episodes 1-37, on page 198. In addition, she has been playable in more Naruto video games than any other so-called side characters. Also, she has been seen in the anime more than other characters not seen past their arcs. She even had her own "filler arc", with an episode in it almost completely dedicated to finding out about her past.76.100.18.78 (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which says something about her surprisingly good fortune. Despite being basically forgotten by Kishimoto (read: 300 chapter [6 year] vacation), Anko has enjoyed the status of well-exposed lost potential. If she were somewhat more active in the series then her extra credentials would probably be enough. As it stands, more prevalent characters get shafted just to appease fiction-hating Wikipedians, and adding Anko would give reason to add all the missing characters from higher up on the food chain too. ~Snapper T o 03:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. Alright then, I suppose that it does make sense. Thanks for clearing that up. ... and personally, I agree she has wasted potential, but that's opinion... again, thanks for clearing that up.76.100.18.78 (talk) 00:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why there's no mention of Ichiraku Teuchi?

While I agree that he isn't a much seeing character, there are pretty much references to Ichiraku Teuchi and his ramen bar.

He is first time shown at the beginning of the manga and is mentioned (more than showed, true) while the manga and anime many times. One of anime fillers (169, if I'm right) give us ever some sort of his biography. In anime he has almost the same amount of 'screen time' as Konohamaru.

Also he is one of the most mentioned supporting cast character in fanfictions (and the writers often ask what's his proper name). --MEG (talk) 22:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the previous entry
Maybe a simple list (as sub-site / reference) with minor characters names (sorted via time appearance or alphabetically) would be informative and satisfactory enough for users? So no one would ask Why this character isn't on the list? Also, there's hard to say who is/will be protagonist or antagonist so I don't think that this division will be useful before the series ends (and event then). --MEG (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]