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Fox Box
When Did WCGV-TV Air Fox Kids/Fox Box? On Saturday Or Sunday?
- Always on their normal days and times, M-F for the weekday lineup, Saturday for the weekend. Nate 12:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In 1994
When Fox Moved To WITI In 1994, What Did WCGV Put In Its Place? Tomjerry9 22:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Early programming off
When WCGV first started, it actually did SelecTV 24/7. It was later that it switched to regular programming during the day and SelecTV at night. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- That's incorrect. You'll be able to read the story in my forthcoming book on Milwaukee TV history. SelecTV was never 24/7. In fact, that service didn't start until several months after the station went on the air. Nitelinger (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I had family with the service, we used to come over and watch it during the day. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 15:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- The station went on the air on 24 March 1980. SelecTV service started in late June of that year. Initially, SelecTV was on between 11:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m. weekdays, 2:30-4:00 p.m. on Saturdays, 2:00-4:00 p.m. on Sundays and between 7:00 p.m.-1:00 a.m. nightly. Perhaps you saw the afternoon showings. You might also be confusing SelcTV, which was a scrambled over-the-air pay TV service with TVQ, which broadcast 24/7, but required subscribers to purchase a small dish and decoding box to get HBO. It was a competitor in the market. Both disappeared once cable penetration became high. Nitelinger (talk) 03:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- No, not confusing it with TVQ, I know the difference between the two. And I'm well aware of the later schedule you describe. SelecTV as a service came on the air in '78 in three cities (including this one) according to one of the founders (who had lived in Milwaukee before heading out to LA to start up that location in '76). Maybe the discrepancy is coming from its involvement with 24. And I'm aware of your wonderful site and book, but I'm not aware what you're using as actual verifiable resources, etc. or what qualifications you have as an expert in this. Most of it appears written from a first person perspective interspersed with dates, etc. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 04:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- SelecTV did NOT start in Milwaukee in 1978. There was no station on which it operated, and the system required an over-the-air station. WCGV-TV did not begin broadcasting until 24 March 1980, and SelecTV began in late June. I too, interviewed the founder (probably the same one you mention). You're correct that SelcTV started in L.A. on KWHY-TV, but it did not start in MKE until June of 1980. Since you're questioning my sources (interviews, press clipping from the period, etc. -- all of which are in the notes in my forthcoming book), what are you using other than what appears to be a faulty memory? Nitelinger (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Questioning sources by someone claiming expertise is a standard practice on Wikipedia, not a personal attack. I suggest you maintain WP:Civility rather than shoot back personal attacks and claims on "faulty memory". You run a website (which I've enjoyed reading for some time), but again - that seems to be based on personal insight, with no previous verification on sources, etc. Just your word. That's not how Wikipedia works. And yes, I was going by interviews as well. But I don't see a point in continuing this discussion if you're going to get defensive on someone questioning your sources. Addressing the issue on this page was something I was taking out of passing interest on Wikipedia, I'm much busier in other areas here and this is low on my priority list. Have fun. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- SelecTV did NOT start in Milwaukee in 1978. There was no station on which it operated, and the system required an over-the-air station. WCGV-TV did not begin broadcasting until 24 March 1980, and SelecTV began in late June. I too, interviewed the founder (probably the same one you mention). You're correct that SelcTV started in L.A. on KWHY-TV, but it did not start in MKE until June of 1980. Since you're questioning my sources (interviews, press clipping from the period, etc. -- all of which are in the notes in my forthcoming book), what are you using other than what appears to be a faulty memory? Nitelinger (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- No, not confusing it with TVQ, I know the difference between the two. And I'm well aware of the later schedule you describe. SelecTV as a service came on the air in '78 in three cities (including this one) according to one of the founders (who had lived in Milwaukee before heading out to LA to start up that location in '76). Maybe the discrepancy is coming from its involvement with 24. And I'm aware of your wonderful site and book, but I'm not aware what you're using as actual verifiable resources, etc. or what qualifications you have as an expert in this. Most of it appears written from a first person perspective interspersed with dates, etc. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 04:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- The station went on the air on 24 March 1980. SelecTV service started in late June of that year. Initially, SelecTV was on between 11:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m. weekdays, 2:30-4:00 p.m. on Saturdays, 2:00-4:00 p.m. on Sundays and between 7:00 p.m.-1:00 a.m. nightly. Perhaps you saw the afternoon showings. You might also be confusing SelcTV, which was a scrambled over-the-air pay TV service with TVQ, which broadcast 24/7, but required subscribers to purchase a small dish and decoding box to get HBO. It was a competitor in the market. Both disappeared once cable penetration became high. Nitelinger (talk) 03:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Further, your earlier comment re: SelecTV going on the air in three cities in 1978 appears to be a faulty extrapolation of the reference you added to the SelecTV page here on Wikipedia. Nowhere does that article say that the service started in Milwaukee that year. It started in L.A. Bob Block would've preferred to have started here in Milwaukee, but his investors (one of whom I interviewed) wanted to start in L.A. Once that station was up and running (Remember the SelecTV system needed to broadcast on an over-the-air TV station.), they then expanded to other markets including Milwaukee. Nitelinger (talk) 06:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Wasn't stating it was from that interview, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. That reference was added on the SelecTV page to correct the loose statement there previously that simply stated "operations" started in 1976 with no actual broadcast date listed. Like I said, no point in continuing this conversation. Especially if you're going to continue to continue to make claims about what I am or am not saying or aware of as some sort of veiled retaliation for doing a standard questioning of your sources (which you rarely add in your edits going over your editing history, and the several you have appear to have been based on WP:OR such as this one). You can't use yourself as a reference here, that includes your site, your book, interviews you've personally conducted, etc. It violates a host of policies and guidelines. Good luck with all that, this is my last posting in this discussion. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Further, your earlier comment re: SelecTV going on the air in three cities in 1978 appears to be a faulty extrapolation of the reference you added to the SelecTV page here on Wikipedia. Nowhere does that article say that the service started in Milwaukee that year. It started in L.A. Bob Block would've preferred to have started here in Milwaukee, but his investors (one of whom I interviewed) wanted to start in L.A. Once that station was up and running (Remember the SelecTV system needed to broadcast on an over-the-air TV station.), they then expanded to other markets including Milwaukee. Nitelinger (talk) 06:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)