Talk:SIG Sauer P220

The p220 is chambered only in .45 caliber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Perhaps today it is; however, it was available in all of the chamberings mentioned at one time. I've seen examples of each, except for the .22LR conversion. D.E. Watters 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I would like to propose that SIG P225 be merged into this article, per WP:GUNS#"Target" versions; which states that variants of firearms that were only changed slightly from the original should be in the same article as the original. As the P225 is just a shortened P220, with a smaller pistol grip, it is not different enough to warrant its own separate article in my opinion.--LWF 05:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I support this, but not only the P225, the entire family, like we did with the Glock. Koalorka (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

That would kind of make sense, except that you don't know enough about Sig Sauer firearms. The P225 is a shortened version of the P226, not the 220. And the P220 may LOOK identical to the P226, and they are in fact close the same size looked at from the side, they're not the same pistol. Regardless of caliber, the P220 has a single-stack magazine with a slim-profile grip, while the 225 and 226 are double stack and "fatter" through the grips. Different pistols, although, yeah, they're obviously related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.128.53 (talk) 21:58, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

What is it they say about glass houses and throwing stones? You just confused the single-stack P225 with the double-stack P228. --D.E. Watters (talk) 22:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Phosphorous coated internals

Can someone confirm this? It seems to me the weapon would catch on fire... Could it be "Phosphatized", which is a corrosion protection treatment? Grabbi 22:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Price on private market

The "Bund" article doesn't say ex-army P220s cost 30 CHF! It gives this number for ex-army SIG 510 assault rifles - which may be correct. I myself bought one for only 50 CHF from an ex-soldier, the market for old army rifles in Switzerland is an extreme buyer's market, because there are so many around, a decreasing number of private shooters and export is virtually forbidden. But used pistols don't go from private to private for 30, rather 500-800 CHF! Please delete this wrong information, otherwise the article is nice.

Greetings from Switzerland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.239.46.63 (talk) 02:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I thought too that the price is very low, but that's what the paper reported. Every year, some 10,000 soldiers are discharged and many get (or got) a pistol for free, after all. I'll try and find the article again. If we find some other quote from a reliable source, we can put that one in. Sandstein 21:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I found the article and read it. http://www.espace.ch/artikel_434460.html It sais ex-soldiers have the possiblity to keep their weapon for an administrative fee (30CHF for a pistol, 60CHF for a SIG 510 rifle, 100CHF for a SIG 550 rifle or so...). As far as I know, that's correct. But that's not the private market but only the deal between the army and it's soldiers about the used weapon they served with for many years. From private to private, prices for used SIG 510 (Stgw57) rifles are extremely low because there's much more supply than demand for them. Prices for used SIG 550 and SIG P220 however are somewhere in the range from 600-1000 CHF, I know that from experience. The "Bund" article doesn't say anything about pistol prices on the private market, only that the 30CHF fee for the pistol is quite a bargain... In fact every officer/corporal/whatever (normal soldiers are not equipped with sidearms, only assault rifles) who gets the opportunity to privately own and freely sell a P220 for only 30CHF is an idiot if he doesn't invest that sum, because he will make at least 500CHF profit when giving it away. I guess the last paragraph of the article caused you to understand it wrong. Newspaper appear to be systematically writing about such things in a confusing way... I suggest you delete the "going rate on private market about 30CHF" and add the 30CHF to the sentence about the adm. fee, where it belongs. Greetings, 77.239.59.140 22:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right. On re-reading the article, the weapons dealer quoted (Guggisberg) does appear to be talking about the administrative fee, not the price, which would appear very low indeed. I'll make the change. Sandstein 06:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Can we please have some new up-to-date pictures of this handgun, the current images are of a quite dated (European) model. Hayden120 (talk) 11:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

P6 Skeleton (Hooked) Hammer

It's been back and forth on this page for a while over whether the hooked hammer is for a zip tie or to show if the gun has been dropped on its hammer.

I'm of the latter opinion. I've seen the Youtube video of the guy saying it's for a zip tie, but I've had former German police officers tell me that they had a big problem with them getting dropped on their hammers and damaging the firing pins/firing pin blocks, so my anecdotal evidence is at least as good as the other guy's.

I've been trying to contact Sig for some time to get an answer from them about this; could others do the same? I hate to see incorrect information on Wikipedia no matter who's right. Jwjohnson (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright I heard back from Sig:

"It was a requirement of the West German Police on all their pistols (regardless of manufacturer) to help prevent a discharge if the pistol landed on the hammer. The P225 already has internal safety mechanisms to prevent that, so P225 didn't have that hammer."

Hopefully this back-and-forth business is over now Jwjohnson (talk) 18:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)