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Date	Process	Result
September 6, 2008	Peer review	Reviewed
November 5, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

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Nomination for deletion

For the February 2005 deletion debate, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Scott Carson. The decision was to keep the article. jni 12:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Early career

At which club did Leeds spot him? The article says Workington Reds AND Cleator Moor FC. I don't know which is right. --Slumgum 22:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The official FA website says he was "picked up from local club Cleator Moor Celtic". [1]. The Workington Reds link is referred to on the Leeds United webpage and by the BBC. [2]. What is clear is that Carson started his career playing for Cleator Moor. Average Earthman 11:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking

Before editing the infobox to have a link for every instance of "Liverpool", please see WP:MOS-L.

An article is overlinked if "a link is excessively repeated in the same article; however, duplicating an important link distant from a previous occurrence is appropriate".

cheers, aLii 18:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All clubs in the player infobox should be linked as per WikiProject Football style guide. I also agree with Slumgum; partially linked lists look messy, so it benefits the article to include the link in the infobox. See Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. --Dan1980 19:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or one could choose to agree with this football player infobox style guide. I personally think that linking every instance looks messy, and that having the current one not linked highlights it in a way. I'm not going to revert you again, but I just want to point out that you aren't correct :)

It's something that really needs looking at and sorting definitively. It's no good having three different style guides. aLii 19:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Sorry, i accidentally messed up Carson's stats table (put leeds on again) i cant fix it, very sorry

England career

As Carson never played for England and is not listed on any of the statistics sites as an England international, is it correct to include him in the "England international footballers" category? Daemonic Kangaroo 05:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about this:

as an argument? The prose of the article talks about it somewhat too. aLii 13:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't deny that - my point is that he is the only player included in the category who has never made a single appearance for England. Perhaps in time he'll finally get the chance to put this right! Daemonic Kangaroo 16:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well now he has, against Croatia on November 21st, 2007. Although I still support him taken off as an England international - he let in three goals (two due to horeendous errors, and all due to lack of confidence). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.244.101 (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WBA

Sounds like Villa sent him packing, reality is that Liverpool and Villa were poles apart in their valuation of the player. Language used certainly wants attention.Londo 06 15:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth

I have changed his place of birth to Whitehaven. This is supported by the following sources:

Soccerbase [3]
Liverpoolfc.tv [4]
Englandstats.com [5]
4thegame.com [6]
Yahoo Sport [7]
Sky Sports [8]
FA.com [9]
Sky Sports football yearbook 2008-2009 p490
Football Manager 06 to 09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.16.78 (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only one source, a local news article,[10] has his birthplace as Cleator Moor. --Jameboy (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Scott Carson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I read through this article and did some copyediting. I have a short list of concerns:

"Carson made only four appearances in the 2005–06 season, all in cup competitions, and in March 2006, was allowed to move to Sheffield Wednesday, who had a goalkeeping crisis, on loan to gain more first team experience, and to him help challenge for a place in the England 2006 World Cup squad." - this would probably be better split into two sentences in order to avoid six commas in one sentence.
"However, with Carson the second choice to Reina and the signing of Charles Itandje in August 2007, Carson was loaned out again, this time to Aston Villa at a cost to Villa of £2 million." - this is a little awkward because of the lack of parallel structue between "Carson the second choice to Reina" and "the signing of Charles Itandje" - is it possible to reword one of those sections to make the sentence flow better?
Some of the print newspaper sources are missing page numbers. Is it possible to find them?

Other that these issues, the article is very well-written. I will place the nomination on hold for a week to allow these concerns to be addressed and/or discussed. Any questions and/or comments can be left here, as I have placed this page on my watchlist. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have attempted to address 1 & 2: let me know if further tweaks are required. Not sure about 3, as although my contribution was not insubstantial, User:Malcolmxl5 did the majority of the work on the article, and I think he added the print sources. I've dropped him a note to see if he is able to provide this info. --Jameboy (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He hasn't edited since 15 October, so I'm not quite sure what to suggest. --Jameboy (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if any of the printed references can be replaced with web ones. --Jameboy (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked over the citations in question. A few things I want to note about them: Because they are print sources, a reader would have to be in possession of the original source to verify them — the ability to verify them does not depend on the page number, although it would be helpful. Quotations have been provided from each of the print citations. An assumption of good faith may also come into play here, as a Wikipedia administrator is unlikely, although certainly not unable, to provide false information. Finally, the information cited is not contentious or defamatory. If Malcolmxl5 returns and is able to provide page numbers, that's great. As it stands now, though, I don't believe that their absent detracts substantially from the verifiability of this article.

With that said, I believe that the article meets the six GA criteria, so I am promoting it. Congratulations, and thanks for your hard work.

If you are able to review an article in return to help reduce the backlog at WP:GAN, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]