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Thanks for your contributions to the Wikipedia, 68.8.17.19! However, I have some issues with your edits to this article, so I'm going to put the disputed parts here and hope we can talk it over.

"...their base forms have hands featuring two thumbs and a single finger, but many are genetically engineered with lobsterlike claws with their gun barrels lodged within."

I would like to know where in the Metroid games it is confirmed that the three-fingered ones are definitely the originals and the clawed are definitely mutations.

" Kraid (a general), Ridley (the leader), and Mother Brain (who is little more than a defensive system)."

I would really like to know where all that is confirmed. From what I've read, this seems to be fan speculation. I do know that according to Metroid Prime, there is some sort of higher command that even Ridley answers to – it was they who ordered his cybernetic enhancements.

"It is stated that Samus has a particular disliking for the Space Pirates after one of their raids orphaned her."

Where was this stated?

That's about all I really take issue with, but I reverted the whole article to save time. Hope for a response from you or anyone. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos

Explanation on the changes:

The thing about the claws and gun barrels comes from Prime and Prime 2. You find the pirates have the ordinary hands, but there's some experimental claws in tanks in Prime--and by Prime 2, they have the actual claws attached.

As for the status about the leaders: No, that's NOT speculation. EXACT QUOTES FROM ZM: "Ridley is the leader of the space pirates." "...Mother Brain, the mechanical life form that controls Zebes' defenses." Prime's manual states the thing about Kraid being a general.

As for the orphaning thing? The e-manga, which IS canon, contrary to popular belief, shows the pirate raid that orphans Samus.

And for the comment about ZM and the claws? Well, that one IS speculation, but it's the only possible explanation that I can think of, as the claws are shown to be in development in Prime, yet they have them in ZM. Thus, they were probably prototypes.

Trust me on this, I have this weird OCD-type thing that gives me some odd obsessions, one of which is space pirates. I study them constantly, and know every nuance of how they work. Hell, I'm known as SPAP to my frineds--Space Pirate Addicted Person.

Thanks much, that's all I wanted. ^_^

I think all we need to hopefully be in agreement over this stuff is a little rewording. Give the sources - say "In the e-manga it is stated that Samus..." and that because the claws are in development in Prime, they're most likely the mutations/enhancements. By the way, where in Prime can they be found? I'd like to see for myself, sounds interesting. Can you post it to my talk page, please?

Kraid, Ridley and Mother Brain... well, maybe their jobs and so on should stay in their personal articles? If readers are interested, they can click for more info on them. Personally, I think ZM and Prime are contradicting each other a little bit... after all, there's apparently someone Ridley answers to in Prime, at least.

Speaking of ZM... I say it should be noted that it's a possible storyline glitch, with your speculation afterwards - makes sense to me. If anyone has any other ideas, they can add them.

Would that be satisfactory? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:16, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

The claws can be found in a giant tank in Lab Hydra (or was it Aether?). There's a tank with parts from failed experiments, including a giant Ki Hunter abdomen, an Elite Pirate torso, and a claw-gun. They're barely visible once the lights go out, but quite prominent before this happens.

As for Ridley in Prime having a commander: My opinion is that High Command takes over whenever Ridley is incapacitated, and since Ridley was awakened prematurely, HC hadn't submitted to him yet.

Cool, will check that out at some point. ^_^ As for the Ridley theory, sounds good. I still think their jobs within the Space Pirate fleet should stay in their respective articles, though.

Anyhow, what d'you think of the rewordings?--Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:27, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

Okay. I edited it a bit, containing ONLY canon information, so please don't undo those changes. ^_^ I'll leave the data about the leaders alone, you're right, they should go in their own sections, and I clarified the source on a few other things... any more qualms?

Nope, looks awesome! Glad we could come to an agreement! I just did a minor little thing fixing the link to Kraid's article. Thanks much and welcome to the Wikipedia. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 20:14, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Quantum assault cannons?

Could someone specify when this name was mentioned? Is it in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes? If so, I apologise – I'm probably not getting that one until Christmas. Just curious. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 21:53, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, it's in Prime 2.

Thanks much. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:23, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Copyright

How do you add a {{screenshot}} to the picture page??

Easy. Just go to the picture itself, which you can do by either clicking on the picture in the article or typing the filename into the searchbox and searching for it, and click the edit tab on the picture. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 05:52, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Elite's picture.

Having a copy of Metroid Prime, I can say that the picture of the Elite Pirate looks nothing like one. An Elite Pirate in Metroid Prime is of the three-fingered variety, and iis blue. The picture is also missing the shoulder-mounted missile launcher. I'll try to find a suitable replacement though. -Gamer01

You will not find a replacement. There ARE no accurate pictures of them. And by the way, they're black, not blue. See, originally they were designing them like in SM, hence the claws. But they changed to the new design, including the elites. That picture is from when they had claws and such. The most accurate picture of them is on nintendo.com, but it's HORRIBLY wrong. We need a pic from SM or something, there are absolutely no accurate pictures from the first prime game. Period. Unless you go for screenshots. Trust me, I've been looking ever since the game came out, you WILL NOT find an accurate official pic.

Well, while we have to put up with this one, why not just note it's a piece of concept art, and that the final design was different? I've changed the cpation to read something alogn these lines. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 05:58, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

About the page move...

Okay, yes the article is mainly about the Zebesian Space Pirates at this point, but space piracy is a concept in other sci-fi works. Metroid just seems to be the only one where all the pirates are ever called is... Space Pirates. So, I think there may be a compromise we can make here – move the article and its edit history back to Space Pirate, then manually move the Metroid stuff back to Zebesian Space Pirate, with a short blurb back at Space Pirate and a Main article: Zebesian Space Pirate note. Also, of course, noting that that's what whoever does the manual move is doing in the Edit Summary box. That way, we have an article on the stock sci-fi term and the Dr. Who space pirates, and the Metroid Pirates can be happy at their new Wikihome. How's that sound? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:27, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

That sounds cool, but i think "Zebesian" is just taking up space cause not all Metroid space pirates are from Zebes. So just change it back to "Space Pirate."--Zxcvbnm 04:25, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, what about Space Pirate (Metroid) or Space Pirate (video game species) or something? I'm not too bothered either way, but perhaps the giant Metroid Space Pirate article needs to be siphoned off somewhere. At any rate, I do believe I'll move the page back to Space Pirate for the time being. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 04:44, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Not sure why my comments are missing (and it's annoying because it's now the third time I've tried to explain this, first was right as Wikipedia crashed, second was just a few minutes ago but didn;t get saved), but here we are again: A) The original article had next to no content on space pirates in general, and the lead sentence was atrociously bad. More than 99% of the article is specifically about some minor game I'd never even heard of and clearly didn't belong there. B) Apparently we agree that there should be a page devoted to space priates in general and not just this game, and that should carry the generic descriptive title. This is good. I started work on that. C) Reverting and moving back was a bad call. The history and comments of the old page are solely about the Metroid game, so need to be attached to this article. Moving the page back and then cutting and pasting most of the text serves no useful purpose other than to screw up the history and comments. D) Sparky went ahead and made these changes without waiting for me to answer the "How's that sound?" question. Nothing is more rude than asking a question when it's obvious you have no intention to actually listen to what the person you are asking says. Either do it and don't ask, or ask and wait. E) When the page was reverted you also re-added several grammar errors and so forth I had fixed. You should be more careful. Blind reverts are bad in general because of just that reason... Not to mention the revert was pointless in the first place. DreamGuy 06:50, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry. You're right, it was too hasty of me to move the page back after only a couple of days. As for the revert, it was a rather drastic way of calling attention to the matter. Again, probably a bad call. I apologise for my hastiness. Perhaps I shouldn't be making big edits when I really should be in bed. ^^'

Good work on the disambig, anyhow. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:24, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't so much the "only after a couple of days" as the fact that those couple of days included a day when the entire site was down and one where Watchlists weren't working, so the only way I could have seen the comment is if I'd individually checked all of the pages I'd ever added anything to manually to see if changes were made. But anyway, no biggee. I think we had the same basic idea even if the way we wanted to go about doing it was different. DreamGuy 20:57, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Guns or claws?

Where is it stated that Space Pirate guns are genetically engineered deals and not just interestingly designed handheld weapons?

Quantum assault cannons?

More questions from the Sparky.

Copyright

Elite's picture.

About the page move...

Guns or claws?