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User:D Yankov

Hi, Katze. This gay has predominantly disruptive edits on Bulgarians. Any sources or references, only blind reverts in his POV-pushing and constant deleting of well sourced info. Also any comments or explaintions. Please, look here: Revision history of Bulgarians, User contributions of D Yankov , User talk:D Yankov. Danke. Jingby (talk) 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"This gay"? Hmmm. I guess you meant "guy". Anyway, I'll have a look later, not much time right now, but thanks for the notification. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, I apologise. My English language is not the best. This was really mistake. Jingby (talk) 19:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse mе, but he did it again in the same insolent manner. [1] Jingby (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse mе, but he did it again whithout any explaination. Jingby (talk) 09:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image talk:Bih 1991.jpg

Future, seeing at how you were somewhat involved with Image talk:Bih 1991.jpg (then went to Talk:Bosnia and Herzegovina/Image discussion Bih 1991.jpg and now for some reasons is continuing at User:Rjecina/Bosnian census), do you have anything you add to the ANI discussion? (other than to stay away) -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inflammatory usebox

Hi !

Since you have insisted on deletion of templates [2] and about Operation Storm made by myself... I think that this userbox is inappropriate accordingto such criteria: here

This user is a supporter of the heroic Bosnian army who defended Bosnia (with minimal weapon capacity) for three years against the well armed aggressors of Serbia and Croats in Bosnia.

Don't you think so??? --Añtó| Àntó (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So???--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image deletion from 2008 Greek riots

I have already cited (citation 14) the web site that's discussing this issue and publishing the image: [3] The specific website isn't "another independent" news site. Its director Stelios Kouloglou had a special programm at the greek national TV (Reportaz xoris synora) but the channel directors decided to cut it off. It's all about a series of censorship incidents going on in Greece. That's why we need to inform people about what is happening. The photographer of the picture, Kostas Tsironis (friend of mine since 1998) was fired from the newspaper that he was working for. It is a picture that at these moments is very important to be seen as there are many issues about the police authority abuse. I am investigating right now to find more sourses that are publishing the picture. The photograph was originally published at the greek newspaper "Eleutheros Typos". Please consider undoing the deletion. Thank you--Biris (talk) 10:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of things. First, the image is copyrighted (non-free), so unless you provide proof the photographer has released it under a free license it cannot stay on commons, where you uploaded it. You could conceivably upload it here on en-wiki under "fair use", but then for a proper justification you'd need to show that the image as such is a major topic of public debate in reputable news media. A single website will not be enough. Also, this will only work if we then get a completely neutral text to go with it, summarising what is known about the scene it shows and how reliable sources have interpreted its significance. You personally seem to be editing with a clear political agenda here, and I must strongly ask you to set that aside. However important you may consider your political concern here, promoting those is not what Wikipedia is about. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting in contact with the photographer so that he can upload the picture properly. There is no political agenda here. The respect of human rights is above any political orientation. This is what is happening in Greece right now. About the concept of reputable news media; Here there are more sources: [Yahoo news|http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//081208/481/04bcda866abc43299c870224816cd5f8/]Yahoo News! [Indymedia|http://athens.indymedia.org/] the known independent news media. [Cosmo.gr|http://www.cosmo.gr/News/Hellas/223582.html] this news online channel has an 15.000 Alexa Ranking. It is a popular news source. Additionally the impact of the image at the blogs is important too. [4] [5] The facebook group [6] that supports the director of TVXS has 37.000 members Thank you--Biris (talk) 11:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't that the one who decided one day to criticise Vladimir?--Michael X the White (talk) 12:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

gia poion milas? poios katekrine ton Poutin? about who are you talking about? who critisisez Putin? Probably this is another story--Biris (talk) 12:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Putin aside, okay, that's a couple of news outlets that have carried the photograph, but mostly just as a random general illustration of the situation. The only source I've seen that specifically discusses the scene and the image is the cosmo.gr one. And that isn't really claiming the scene is of some special significance for the riots as a whole either. It's nowhere close to justify us saying something in our article like: "A photograph showing a policeman pointing a gun at demonstrators made the rounds of the media on 11 December, sparking further public outrage..." It just doesn't seem to have reached that degree of importance within the overall scheme of things (yet). As for the story about the sacking of the photographer, no notable coverage whatsoever. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The photograph is also commented at Yahoo news (associated press) and at the rest of sources cited above as related to the riots. Visit Indymedia. The photograph has been managed and published by international news agencies. What provoced the whole situation on Sunday was that a policeman killed (we don't know yet if it was by accident or if it happend on purpose) the 15 year old boy with his service gun. At Cosmo.gr we can see how the specific photograph is related with these events; the guns are still present and i think that this is more than significant. We are talking about a democratic country!!( the country that invented democracy). The object of the picture is the policeman with his gun. This describes the reasons that people are fighting against and reports the authority abuse as a core issue of the current situation. I agree to change the descriptive text in the article. But i think it's crucial to include the photograph.--Biris (talk) 12:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't answered yet and i insist that the picture is demonstrating a very important aspect of what is happening in Greece right now. I'll also like to ask if you consider that the rest of the pictures that already are in the page have reached that degree of importance within the overall scheme of things. Actually the picture of the policeman aiming his gun at the demonstrators explains a lot the reasons why the people's rage is amplified. These days the main target of the demonstrators were the police stations all over Greece.--Biris (talk) 20:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I need to explain a bit more, I see. The big difference is that the photograph you are proposing is "non-free", which makes it a problem for us. Please see WP:NFC for our policies on this. A photograph that is copyrighted and not licensed for free re-use by anyone and for any purpose can only be used in Wikipedia under very special conditions (many of them self-imposed and more restrictive than required even by copyright law itself), in order to ensure that our project's content remains maximally unencumbered by copyright problems. Part of those rules is that we would use a photograph only if we have something substantial to discuss about the image itself, as a piece of news in its own right, and its presence is indispensable for understanding the topic; also, that discussion of course is then subject to our usual principles of NPOV, good sourcing, not giving undue weight to marginal issues and opinions, and so on. That's why I insisted we should consider it only if there is some very substantial amount of explicit discussion of this photograph in the mainstream press, something I'm still not seeing. – As for the other images we are now using, they are different because they are all freely licensed. That means we can just use them at will, for mere illustration, as many as we like, showing whatever topic we find interesting. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comfort women

nice edit.

seems fine to me.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Korea under Japanese rule

Good work.

Thank you.--Bukubku (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletation about war crime is not. You know there are many Korean Army officers and Bureaucrats. They were volunteer. During WW2, Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs was a Korean. and he was sentenced as crimes against peace by allies. Korean had Japanses nationality and they had civil right same as Japanse. There were Korean politicians in Japanse Parliament. Most Koreans cooporated with Japanse at the time. Korean was assailant same as Japanse for Chinese. Present article seems weighted.--Bukubku (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We could discuss to what extent that may be relevant to the article (personally, I don't quite see how it is, it's just another case of the rather obvious Japanese POV tactics here at Wikipedia, of trying to somehow deflect from Japan's problematic past by sharing the blame on the Koreans) - but be that as it may, I mainly reverted your edit because the English was too poor. I would ask you to generally reconsider what you are doing in this project. It's the English wikipedia. We do generally welcome people with a less than perfect command of English, there's a lot of useful stuff a person like you can fruitfully do here. But negotiating the intricacies of making a contentious article NPOV is not really one of them. My impression is your overall contribution to this project has not been helpful. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my too poor English. This is true, sorry. And I understand your opinion. However I don't think so. Before I edit, the article was written as "political figures engaged in modernization with foreign diplomacy were assassinated by the Japanese"[7] This is big not. If someone wrote as all European were killed by German, you must feel not good. It is same.

However I appreciate to your edition of Infobox. Thank you.--Bukubku (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Empress Myeongseong

Hey, you are misusing your admin privileges

Wait a minute. We haven't finished improving Anti-Bosniak sentiment article and you deleted it. Bosniak (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a valid AfD against this article, and the page you recreated was still recognisably the same article as the one that got deleted. Such articles get speedy-deleted. If you want to propose an improved new article, I recommend you prepare it in a user space subpage of yours, and then open a WP:DRV to overturn the AfD and allow recreation. But you will need to show you have understood and met the concerns that were brought against the article at the AfD and which caused its deletion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recognizably the same? Show me how? Bring the evidence. PS: I filed the complaint against you here [8] but they will probably do nothing, because you are administrator. You guys are running the show here on Wikipedia and censoring articles you don't like. Bosniak (talk) 08:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

local Slavic vs. Slavic Macedonian vs. Macedonian.

Hello Future Perfect. I would like to seek your advice regarding the classification of "local Slavic" and what it actually means. It seems that the only purpose of the article "Slavic dialects of Greece" was to create a "pseudo-language" making the "local" language seem dissimilar and unrelated to the linguistic term for the language and a term used by many speakers of the language. Their are reverts such as this one, which is unlike wikipedia protocol and has actually gone to extreme lengths just so that the word "Macedonian" does not appear in the area for secondary names. It seems that some users such as User:157.228.x.x are so desperate that no other name apart from the Greek one appears to have reverted every single second name on the territory of Greek Macedonia by "local Slavic" and removing the Aromanian names completely. See [9], [10] etc. The "Slavic dialects of Greece" have focused solely on Macedonia dispute, as Bulgarian is freely used in sections where "local Slavic" should also be, according to the claims of Greek wikipedians, see: Xanthi, Myki, Greece, Kotyli etc. What are your comment on this? Would we be able to create a protocol on the subject? Or will this very Strong POV continue to dominate this encyclopedia? PMK1 (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you see this "strong" POV ? When we were trying to explain to you why it's the most neutral term you kept claiming that "we're talking about linguistics", to my understanding there's not much linguistics in this to discuss. The local Slavic dialect is first and foremost a dialect and has been just that long before its modern classification following a convenient point of reference set by politics. From a pure lingustics POV i don't think there's much scientific weight to that decision (not that they could be called Chinese dialects). "local Slavic" links to a very informative article that includes the modern ethno/socio/["i'm a linguist, why should i give a shit"]-linguistic approach, makes a historical description and talks about the groups that use the dialects. POV pushing would be to link the names only with a language that emerged from and played a leading role to your nation's building process. The names are there because they are notable, and why is that ? cause the region was and still is inhabited by Slavic-speaking populations, Greeks, Macedonian Slavs and Bulgarians, simple. If you were really that much into the linguistic view one should expect from you to propose linking each name with the specific dialect's article.--Zakronian (talk) 07:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i agree with you. I have tried on a number of occasions of linking the title to pages such as this, this and this one but have been reverted. Users will not accept this change either. What are you essentially talking about, the Macedonian dialects in greece form a major part of the Macedonian language. The POV is classifying the "dialect" which is one of the dialects of the macedonian language as something other than what it is. We do not link the Ohrid page to the Ohrid dialect for example, nor do we link tetovo to the polog dialect. We link to the Macedonian language, this process should be not different in greece in areas where Macedonian is spoken. It is strong POV to classify the names anti not-Macedonian when they in fact are. Do not forget that one of the dialects upon which the macedonian language is based can be found in Greece, the Prilep-Bitola dialect. This is also spoken in Greece, in this case would the dialect also not be Macedonian? This is what the rest of the world knows and believes, it is a linguistic fact. Wikipedia should be based on upon facts found in this world, not the propoganda which the Greek government and agencies have led many people to believe. PMK1 (talk) 10:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Well user talk pages are not intended for lengthy debates...) I just want to say that you shouldn't rush to tell who did propaganda to who and who lives with it and by it. Unless if you have got a number of reliable sources supporting that the Greek government actually did propaganda. The Balkans are anyway filled with only dialects of Slavic.--Michael X the White (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is one issue where I'm really not sure what best to do. The issue should really be not so much the ideological baggage of the terms, but finding the most accessible and simple term for outside non-initiated readers. The problem is, most common terms are either too wide or too narrow in scope. If you say "Local Slavic" (no matter where you link to), you are implying that it's a specific dialect form, linguistically different from the nearest standard language. Which with most of these names won't be the case. That term is factually too narrow. The names that we end up citing, in most cases I guess, are not really dialectal forms, they are the forms of standard Macedonian/Bulgarian, in the standard Macedonian/Bulgarian ortography. The local dialect as such has no orthography at all, so it would be difficult to quote a name in it. -- On the other side, if you say just "Slavic", you have the reverse, it's too wide. "South Slavic" is pedentic, and opaque for the non-linguist reader. "Macedonian/Bulgarian" would be okay, but is still a bit cumbersome. In many cases, I personally have no doubt that "Macedonian" would in fact be the most relevant language name to assign, being the closest existing standard language with any claim of relevance to the people/locations involved; certainly in the Western Macedonian areas (Florina etc.) But then of course, we'll get all the furious resistance of the Greek POV team (and personally, I am rather convinced it is just that: purely POV-driven stonewalling, with very little actual merit.) I could live with a compromise of [[Macedonian language|Macedonian Slavic]]: the link target is the standard language article, where interested readers will actually get the relevant linguistic info; the display text has the advantage of being sufficiently vague that one can read it either as a language name or just as a descriptive phrase ("Macedonian Slavic" = "the varieties of Slavic languages spoken in geographical Macedonia"). Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Rollback Status

Hi. I've been doing some heavy New Page Patrolling, and would like to become more active with Vandalism Patrolling. I would also like to be able to use Huggle. Would you consider granting me Rollback privileges to be able to more effectively maintain articles? Thanks for your consideration. --OliverTwisted (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I suppose you are aware of the rules, right? (Like, using it only for obvious vandalism. If in doubt, better not to use it.) But you seem a reasonable and trustworthy editor, so I expect you'll use it well. Have fun, and thanks for helping with the vandalism. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I plan on only using it only for obvious vandalism. I'd rather avoid having to edit the URL to provide an edit summary. Better to have and not need, than vice versa. Cheers. --OliverTwisted (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. By the way, do you know this:

//rollback test
importScript('User:Ilmari Karonen/rollbacksummary.js');

It combines rollback with custom edit summaries – using that, you could in principle even use rollback for normal reverts, you just need to enter an individual summary, but it's still just as fast as normal rollback. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. Installed the script, and will test it safely tomorrow. Thanks for the ultra-quick response. --OliverTwisted (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Vandal User 78.157.9.88

Please, look here: [11] Jingby (talk) 15:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to transmit large file

Hi, I would like to send you a pdf file of a publication that is not available electronically, on ethnicity and migration in Greece. Is there any protected page or email address to which I can post it to you? It is copyright, so it has to be a personal transmission. Xenos2008 (talk) 02:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Xenos2008 (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks! Interesting stuff. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Danke

Danke fuer deine Hinweisse, aber kannst du helfen, der neutrale Standpunkt diesen Artikel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Greek_riots) zu schildern.

Prospatho, file, prospatho. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you were right about the account my ip changed like that....