Talk:Orlando, Florida

South via I-4: a trivial point, but...

Just a thought, the lead states in part:

"Walt Disney World Resort, which is located in Lake Buena Vista about 20 miles (32 km) south of Orlando city limits via Interstate 4."

It seems to me, in the interest of mind-numbingly picky accuracy, that speaking about a cardinal direction via an interstate ought only to reference the cardinal directions that are actual traversable on that interstate, from a signage point of view. In this case, it should state, "20 miles West of Orlando city limits via Interstate 4," as I-4 is an E-W interstate, not a N-S interstate, whatever actual direction one may be able to physically travel on it. In any event, Disney is much more properly Southwest of the city than either South or West. Just my two cents as an an obsessive-compulsive editor. Bradford44 (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

City parks?

I'm surprised there is no wiki article detailing the city's parks system. No time at the moment to make one, but figured I'd put forth the suggestion that one be made. 128.186.99.153 03:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

a picture

This page seriously needs a picture of the skyline of the city. spirobrewer 5:15 (American Central Time) 10 December 2006

Skyline pictures have been previously added multiple times by different users but are continously deleted for unknown reasons. I strongly suggest the addition of a current pernmanent skyline picture. Floridian06 (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous people

Are we now including the Orlando-Kissimmee Metropolitan Statistical Area with Melbourne, FL? I know many people tend to do this, but on paper Melbourne-Palm Bay-Titusville is another statistical area. Darrell Hammond and Carrot Top are NOT from the Orlando Statistical Area and thus should be removed and migrated to their respective cities/statistical areas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.151.12.8 (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

famous people section

Anyone else notice that the external links section is riding up on the famous people section, I looked at the page and don't really see why its happening. Did I miss something obvious? I don't want to just put a bunch of br's in to make it go down lower. Matthewvelie 06:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks like someone fixed it since. It was probably an error in the way the table was put together. --ssd 17:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Im not necesarily an expert on the matter, but I don't believe Marilyn Manson has any connection to Orlando, so I question his being in the famous people section. Anyone have any clue what the connection is?

This list has been migrated to List of famous people from Orlando, Florida. Dr. Cash 03:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

removing Barry university

There's a nice GIS map, but it wants some cookies. Barry is actually two streets away from the Orlando border at the time of this writing. The city's jerrymandered all over the place, they're likely to annex Barry if it's worth anything anyway. IMHO if you reMOVE schools from a list like this, you need to MOVE them to the correct city or make a list for the unincorporated parts of the county anyway. --ssd 06:27, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

More than two streets, at least a mile. I agree with keeping all the regional schools, as long as the text makes it clear that they're not actually in Orlando (as it now does). --SPUI 10:47, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Attractions

I have to question the value of including Kennedy Space Center in the list of Orlando attractions. It's nearly an hour's drive down the Beeline Expressway (a toll road) and in a different county altogether (Brevard vs. Orange). KSC may be easily considered "within driving distance" and possibly a popular destination to visit while in Orlando for other reasons, but the connection with the city itself seems tenuous at best. --DynSkeet 14:32, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's sort of an Orlando attraction by association, since Orlando is the closest big city to the KSC. --b. Touch 15:05, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. If we are going to say that then we are lumping the Melbourne-Palm Bay-Titusville Metro area into that same mix, which by all appropriate standards it is not. We should distinguish Brevard County attractions from Orlando attractions. If we are going to include this, then we may include it in Central Florida or Space Coast Area Attractions section, the latter being more preferable by the Brevard County Chapter Chamber of Commerce.198.151.12.8 19:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Climate

The warmest temperature ever recorded in Orlando is 100°F. Funny that - the warmest temperature recorded in Gravesend, England is almost a degree warmer, despite the fact that Gravesend has to suffer the temperate, changeable British climate as opposed to the sunny, subtropical weather system that Orlando and the Florida tourist industry enjoys. --Andrew 09:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Uhm, great. What the hell does that have to do with Orlando? Nothing.198.151.12.8 19:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sister cities Section -- Eiffel Tower

The Eiffel tower is not made of copper, nor is it covered in copper paint. According to the officical Eiffel Tower website, it is made of puddle iron. "This iron is the result of a special baking technique relying on swirling during the liquid phase to prevent the carbon and the impurities in the metal from associating. It was quite well used in the 19th century all over Europe." (http://www.tour-eiffel.fr/teiffel/uk/pratique/faq/index.html)

I don't know if the replica at Epcot is made of copper, but the real one is made of iron.

Also, the tower in World Showcase, supposedly a gift form France, was there when the park opened in 1982, ten years before France opened it's Disney park so why would France give this gift to Orlando? a quote is needed, because that doesn't seems to be truth.

Photo request

Seine-et-Marne is particularly notable to Orlando, as it is the home of Disneyland Resort Paris. As such, the Départment gave Orlando a 1:13 scale model of the Eiffel Tower that now sits in the France area of the World Showcase at Epcot. It is made of copper just like the original, but additionally painted in copper paint. Since the France area is supposed to represent Paris at the end of the 19th century, the paint keeps the tower at Epcot from oxidizing into the typical green color of the original Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty, also copper.

A photo of this scale model would be nice to have added to the 'sister cities' section, to accompany the write-up. The write-up could use a reference citation as well. Dr. Cash 03:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Better night photograph needed

The current (July 17th, 2006) photograph of the skyline at night isn't very good. It's blurry and not level. --4.235.81.23 09:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)Tim G

Spam, spam, spammity spam

I'm getting sick of having to clear out the linkspam in this article every few days. Wikipedia is not an advertising resource. Let's focus on adding encyclopedic content to this article, instead of a free ad for our favorite tourist guide. -- SwissCelt 11:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm in agreement that the orlandoguide link does not appear to be "official" and thus should be removed per WP:SPAM. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

OrlandoAreaGuide.com is the official Area Guide for Central Florida Investments...One of the largest investors in Central Florida and the Largest purchasor of Walt Disney World tickets. CFI owns an number of brand name hotels, resorts, restaurants and other stores accross the US. It is one the companies based in the South East U.S. I proposed that OrlandoAreaGuide.com be readded. It has some of the most detailed attraction informatino and is growing daily. It also has it's own Wiki. >User:geniusboy ^Talk 21:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Currently a user is continuously added a advertising link, clamming it is a cited source. I've been removing this link but the person seems rather stubborn and did not discuss why the link must be here. I feel that the external link section should be removed, and if possible, the article be partially protected. The user's edits are[1] [2] [3] [4]. Aalox 15:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Since our anonymous editor decided to try claiming it was viable under WP:CITE for stating where the Lynx bus line travels, I decided to go straight to the source and cite Lynx's website. I will be keeping an eye out for the readdition of this, as it is not a necessary link and is commercial in nature. The Dark 16:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhood sub-section.

I think that the "neighborhood" sub-section of the article is in need of more attention due to a few editors continuing to add unincorporated communities (outside the city limits), more commonly Conway, Dr. Phiilips, and Pine Hills. Yes, these areas have an Orlando P.O. address, but they do not lie within the city limits. --Moreau36 13:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

A large part of the problem is that the city limits look like abstract art. I'm not even sure if all the Waterford areas are part of Orlando proper. Mailing address alone isn't sufficient, since large parts of unicorporated Orange County have Orlando mailing addresses. I'm leaning toward the opinion that this is a rather useless list that's inaccurate and doesn't add to the article. The Dark 16:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Conway is the name of an officially designated neighborhood within the Orlando city limits. The Conway article mentions that parts of Conway have been annexed by the city, presumably the Conway neighborhood is made of these parts. The city GIS system could be used to generate an accurate list of officially designated neighborhoods.--HarryHenryGebel 12:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this sub-section needs an overhaul. http://www.cityoforlando.net/planning/deptpage/neigh_index.htm this link seems to be a comprehensive list of neighborhoods in the Orlando city limits, which the list in the sub-section should be limited to. riffic 04:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Below are all the neighborhoods listed in the drop-down on this page, this is an official list of neighborhoods in the city of orlando. if it isn't on this list it shouldn't be on the neighborhood subsection in the article. riffic 04:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

33rd St Industrial Airport North Audubon Park Azalea Park Bal Bay Baldwin Park Bel Air Beltway Commerce Center Boggy Creek Bryn Mawr Callahan Camellia Gardens Carver Shores Catalina Central Business District City of Orlando/GOAA Clear Lake College Park Colonial Town Center Colonialtown North Colonialtown South Conway Countryside Coytown Crescent Park Delaney Park Dixie Belle Dover Estates Dover Manor Dover Shores East

Dover Shores West Eagles Nest East Central Park East Park Engelwood Park Florida Center Florida Center North Haralson Estates Hibiscus Holden Heights Holden/Parramore Johnson Village Kirkman North Kirkman South Lake Cherokee Lake Como Lake Copeland Lake Davis/Greenwood Lake Dot Lake Eola Heights Lake Fairview Lake Formosa Lake Fredrica Lake Mann Estates Lake Holden Lake Mann Gardens Lake Nona Central Lake Nona Estates Lake Nona South Lake Richmond

Lake Shore Village Lake Sunset Lake Terrace Lake Underhill Lake Weldona Lancaster Park LaVina Lawsona/Fern Creek Lorna Doone Malibu Groves Mariners Village Mercy Drive Metro West Millenia Monterey Narcoossee Groves New Malibu North Orange Northlake Park at Lake Nona Narcoossee South Orlando Executive Airport ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT Orwin Manor Palomar Park Central Park Lake/Highland Pershing Pineloch Princeton/Silver Star Randall Park

Richmond Estates Richmond Heights Rio Grande Park Rock Lake Roosevelt Park Rose Isle Rosemont Rosemont North Rowena Gardens Seaboard Industrial Signal Hill South Division South Eola South Orange South Semoran Southern Oaks Southport Spring Lake The Dovers The Willows Thornton Park Timberleaf Ventura Vista East Wadeview Park Washington Shores Wedgewood Groves West Colonial Westfield Windhover

Radio Stations

Melbourne is not Orlando. WBVD can barely be heard in Orlando. It needs to removed and/or relegated to the Melbourne/Brevard County article.

Gainesville?

Is Gainesville close enough to Orlando to include famous people from that city? I don't think it is. Generally, if people from other cities are included at all on a city's article, it's limited to people from contiguous suburbs. I'm not sure Gainesville is considered a suburb of Orlando; in fact, I'm fairly certain residents of Gainesville would contend that assessment. -- SwissCelt 06:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. They should be removed.

(JoeCarson 12:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

Yeah, G-villes a 2 hour drive (but can be up to 4 on gameday)--Porsche997SBS (talk) 02:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

City limits population over 300,000?

Am I'm missing something here, but what's the source of the population leap other that the city recently annexed significat amount of densly-populated suburban land, which I haven't read anywhere. Please help out. At last look, the city's population is still over 200,000. --Moreau36 14:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Demographics

Somebody needs to fix the table of numbers in the demographics section. I am a new user and do not know how. Dachshund2k3 19:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Buena Vista

ISn't Disney in Buena Vista? It even mentions that The city is best known for the many tourist attractions in the area, particularly the nearby Walt Disney World Resort, which is in the Reedy Creek Improvement District (outside Orlando city limits). If it's outside city limits, Why is it mentioned? Therequiembellishere 22:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ask most people what city they think of when you mention Disney World and they will tell you Orlando. Most probably think it's in Orlando. It does not matter that Disney is technically outside of city limits, it is "in the area..." as the article states. (JoeCarson 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

It seems a little much to have two of the few pictures on the Orlando, Fl page be of Disney World. No, from a resident side, Disney is very much NOT part of the local culture despite it being true that Disney was the catalyst to much of the economic success of Orlando. UCF's ever expanding campus (including a new medical complex), and the ever expanding downtown should be focal elements of this page. Disney takes an hour to get to from some parts of Orlando. Further, only part of the property is even in the same county as Orlando (Orange). If we want Disney on the page, maybe it is better to show pictures of the Lake Eola amphitheater- which Disney helped to build, or the Space Mountain car which is on display in the UCF Engineering building. I believe Disney is helping to fund the construction of the new performing arts center, as well. It is a disservice for Wikipedians to present Orlando as simple background to the theme parks. That might have been true of the Orlando of yesterday, but the metro's 2 million + residents deserve better. Regardless of what some out of town tourist might think of Orlando, Disney is NOT in Orlando and culturally, you could live, work, play, and converse with many locals in many parts of Orlando without ever realizing Disney exists down I-4. Moreover, I have visited the Empire State Building but do I feel like I have enough expert knowledge on Manhattan to modify its Wikipedia page? No. Should this article be a projection of what Disney enthusiasts think Orlando is (I felt that way before I moved here!) or should it better represent the true culture of Orlando reflecting what it is like to actually live there? If you agree with the latter, we might as well be placed on Disney's marketing payroll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.107.70 (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Kind of a wierd fact for the Introduction

Quote from first paragraph: "The city is best known for the many great Bums,Escorts and..." I really dont think the city is known for its bums and prostitution. If you live there mabee, because I do, and everyone knows which streets to avoid, but I cannot see that is a well known fact, that should be included within the article. Or atlest not in the intro paragraph...KoRnOnThEeKoB 19:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Ya the entire opening paragraph is screwed up. Last time I checked the Mayor was not "McCheese." So if someone could create a opener thatd be great. Im going to delete the obvious grafitties. KoRnOnThEeKoB 19:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed the opening paragraph & removed the biased references to Orlando's homeless and gay populations. Donniewan75 16:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Crime

I was looking for crime statistics but the article doesn't seem to have any. Isn't this something that should be included for a major city like Orlando? KnightLago 03:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Skyline Photo

Can somebody add an Orlando skyline photo at the top of the page? It could use one.

The latest skyline photo was unexpectedly deleted. I request the addition of a new pernmanent skyline photo. Floridian06 (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm driving down next week. If I get in a good enough view of the skyline, I will definitely take one. 24.184.90.191 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the night-time panoramic shot? That was one of the best yet and it was removed. Floridian06 (talk) 12:49 14 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.47.133 (talk)

Cattle racing?

The third paragraph under history says early settlers made their living by cattle racing. Is this true, or a misspelling of "raising"? LamarChan (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Additional Counties...

While it has been established that Orlando is in Orange County it has been my understanding that part of the city spills into neighboring Osceola County. Can anyone confirm this and if so where and should it be included as part of the article. Simon Bar Sinister 04:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

This map, which is cited as a source in the Neighborhoods section, shows Orlando extending down to the county line, but not extending into Osceola County. Unless and until someone can cite a reliable source that the city does extend into Osceola County, the answer appears to be no. -- Donald Albury 11:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

City of Orlando limits extend as far south as the Lake Nona area south of Orlando International Airport, however, it does not extend into Osceola County. The metropolitan area of city limits only extend no further south than the north area of International Drive and Universal Orlando Resort. Everything south of Universal Orlando is in unincorporated Orange County. Floridian06 (talk) 12:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I was quite certain that the southern boundary stretched only to new the airport, but was surprised to find that it has been increased a lot in the past 20 years... but it does not enter Osceola County... though it does now reach the border. See the city's webpage map at http://www.cityoforlando.net/gis/pdf/AnnexationMap11x17.pdf JeopardyTempest (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

In its current state, this article is a mess. It is loaded down with many lists; per Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, wikipedia articles are not mere collections of internal links, and Wikipedia's style guide on embedded lists states Most Wikipedia articles should consist of prose, and not just a list of links. Prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, while a list of links does not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain. Therefore, lists of links, which are most useful for browsing subject areas, should usually have their own entries: see Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for detail. In an article, significant items should be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed.

Additionally, some of the lists are full of items which fail to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, particularly the media section, which has many obscure newspapers, magazines, and internet radio stations; the economy section, with a long list of companies which have a presence in the area; and the education section, with about a dozen redlinked or unlinked colleges. The tourist attractions section strays well outside the city of Orlando, and much of the content there would be better suited to either an article of its own or inclusion in Greater Orlando, which covers the entire Lake/Orange/Osceola/Seminole county area. The same can be said of much of the culture section, which contains a lot of information about the surrounding area, which doesn't belong in an article about Orlando itself, but rather the whole region.

This article is overly long; splitting off some of the lists would alleviate the problem, and some of the more comprehensive sections (history, sports) would be suitable as separate articles with a {{seealso}} link and a summary here in the main article. Horologium (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've glanced through the article a couple times. But before we do any major revamping, we can take out three sections right off the bat. First of all, the list of media should not be expanded into such a long list. I'm sure the Orlando radio and tv markets have naviboxes you may subst in. Second of all, the list of companies really do not improve the article, but merely adds indirect advertising, so IMO, it needs to be removed. Third, entertainment should be split off into another article altogether. Let's model this article after a FA-class city article like San Francisco. Horologium, lets make a list of things that should be spolit off into another article and work from there. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 20:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm also noticing that there are very few number of sources used in this article. While we're revamping we might need to either look up the uncited materials or remove some of the original research. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw that you fixed the mess with the TV and radio stations. I went ahead and nuked all of the unlinked (or mislinked) stuff in the newspaper section, and outright deleted the internet radio and magazine sections, since none of the entries in those two sections have Wikipedia articles. I did the same to the unlinked and redlinked universities. We should go through and remove all of the companies which are not headquartered in the city; it's still quite a list. Horologium (talk) 21:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding references, you are right. I see four references in the infobox, zero in the lead (not a problem), three in the history section, one in topography, three in climate, one in neighborhoods, four in Metropolitan Statistical area, three in Demographics and languages, one in culture, one in entertainment and performing arts, one in the entire Tourism section, none at all in the gigantic sports section, five in the Economy section, none in Education, two in Transportation, and one in Crime. Some of the sections desperately need more references, such as History, Culture, Entertainment, Economy, and Sports, and the NPOV nightmares in Transportation and Crime. Horologium (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and templated the light rail section in Transportation (NPOV and OR) and simply deleted the NPOV violation in the crime section. The bulleted list in the Economy section contains 20 separate claims that need to be verified; about 15 of them reference specific publications, but don't have dates or links. I suspect that many of them will have to disappear. Horologium (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, so I tried a couple different ways to edit parts of the article, but it just doesn't seem right at the moment, so I'm not going to deploy it. What I might end up doing will be to take each section, including the lead, and make it into my sandbox articles, and we can fiddle around with it as much as we like until we can agree on something. Does that sound ok to you? 68.126.191.20 (talk) 01:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

That is one option. However (and I speak from experience here, having tried something similar with the Florida article last year), if there is any sort of heavy editing done on the article. your sandbox will get buried (how's that for a mixed metaphor). Sandbox edits are useful for obscure articles, but there is way too much traffic here to effectively develop a sandbox revision, and many of the editors don't read the talk page and won't be aware of the project. Breaking the article up into easily digestible portions (separate articles for each section) might make the task that much easier, but we ought to look at the easy fixes first, and save the sandbox for copy-editing later on. Horologium (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

lol I guess Wiki logged me out on my last comment. I guess we should just make lists of things that we should break off. I think a split like See also: List of companies headquartered in Orlando, Florida like See also: List of companies headquartered in San Francisco, California would work pretty well. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 02:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Update: Y List of notable companies in Orlando, Florida created and economy section of main article shortened. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 04:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe the next big thing to take care of would be the list of attractions. The list should be a separate page while we deal with the other sections. Take a look at the different naviboxes on the bottom of San Francisco, California. I think we might be able to reproduce some of the same articles if we need to. Although we probably won't need a navibox for the attractions, it's a good place to fork the article and minimize the Disney/Universal dominance in the article. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 07:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Another thing that I've noticed is the economy section. I feel that the section is more of a section on Central Florida's economy structure rather than the economy of Orlando itself. It definitely needs some cleanup. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 22:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I've created a new article for sports in Orlando, Florida. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 16:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Suburbs

Having just modified the suburbs section, it seems the editor(s) who added Daytona Beach (and other cities) as suburbs of the Orlando area have no actual knowledge of the Central Florida area. The entire section could be deleted, as it cites no sources at all. It is so wrong it isn't even possible to correct.

This didn't stop me from trying. FX (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional material

Just saw that you have been reworking the article. Could you add material detailing the city "going green" and the extensive bike paths? These are notable and do not convey in the current version. Thank you for your help. ~ All Is One ~ (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)