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Welcome!

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GTA Mini game

Hey, i just wanted to let you know i responded to your post in the discusion about the hot coffee mod. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hot_Coffee_minigame_controversy#This_Is_Completley_Insane

Stubs

Firstly, please use four tildes (~~~~) to sign your "talk" edits. This way people won't have to search to figure out who is talking to them. As for your question, you can simply add the tag {{stub}} to the bottom of an article to indicate it is a stub. You can look at WP:WSS to find more stub template you can use that are more specific. Also, WP:STUB details the stub guidelines. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for articles to work on?

Hello, Zachorious. I'm SuggestBot, a Wikipedia bot that helps new members contribute to Wikipedia. You can learn more about ways you can contribute and find articles you might like to work on by going to the Community Portal. I hope you find this useful. -- SuggestBot 13:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Republics vs democracy

I have created an article to discuss this very point and you would be interested in. It is Wikinfo:Classical republics and democracy contrasted. I hope you enjoy it and please give me any feedback that you may have. Thanks. WHEELER 18:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]



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I was actually trying to get that pic on the Longsword page. Can anyone help me do this? I'll post the copyright info. Zachorious 16:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Negroid and Caucasoid

Please do not edit the pages that are currently undergoing revision under Caucasoid and Negroid. It is considered an act of vandalism.--Gnosis 00:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although I agree with what you are saying in some respect. The terms are obsolete. I have a degree in anthropology and the terms are not widely used or accepted. When we spak about these terms we must realize they were written with a racial slant. You are taking this a bit too personal. Although I agree with you with respect to how the articles look I would suggest you give it some time and let him do what he is doing and if it is something that should change we can debate it at that time. To be honest my only suggestion was to add the line obsolete to each term and keep them seperate. I am not in total agreement with what is being done but it is interesting to see how they will be merged. Understand that what you are doing is considered vandalism because there was no discussion previously before you decided to change the article. Do not take it as a personal assault on you. Frank left numerous discussions as to what he was doing and would do and there weren't very many objections. I remain neutral at this point. But the terms are considered obsolete by my peers. --Gnosis 01:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason these terms are being used is because they were used previously by anthropologist. Forensic Anthropology is a field derived from Anthropology. Look at this link : http://medstat.med.utah.edu/kw/osteo/forensics/ . Although I'm not a fan of using links to prove points when you follow this link and click on race it clearly shows that these terms are in regards to race. The problem I have with race and these terms, is that they are using these terms to describe a person's race, which in returns refers to their skin color. The reason why these terms are not used is not only because they are considered offensive but they do not determine the color of skin of an individual. There are Africans with dark skin with European features and Europeans with African facial features and even Asian features for that matter. It has been disproven as an exact science and you can't distinguish between these groups based on being African or European or Asian. All of these groups have individuals that share similar bone and cranial structures so this doesn't prove color of skin it only proves racism which in itself refers to a meme. This is why these terms are obsolete not for the mere fact that they are offensive as Frank wishes to point out. They are also not accurate, which makes the science of Anthropology in itself somewhat false in regards to this aspect. I am interested in seeing what Frank does in regards to the merger but it is more important to state why these terms are obsolete.--Gnosis 02:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Caucasian Agenda

The anthropology textbook is a recent credible textbook whose only "agenda" is promoting objective anthropological knowledge. It is a modern (2003) textbook distributed at UCs for their classes. Just because Caucasian is used by some anthropologists, doesn't mean it's objective or true. The agenda of the Hindunet website which was listed is probably not objective in their anthropological work. Forensics has an unscientific definition of Caucasian. It is their hypothesis that Europe, North Africa, The Middle East, and South Asia share certain craniofacial measurements. This is unscientific for two reasons: they don't share the same craniofacial measurements, so the application is arbitrary and individuals or populations who fall into the "Caucasian" craniofacial indeces are not considered Caucasian. This last arbitrary clause shows the usage is not objective. The indeces themselves are arbitrarily set without an absolute standard. The Human Species textbook is right about the term not being used anymore, because it is not objective. The textbook says all racial classifications are opinions. --- Dark Tichondrias 03:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a way to resolve conflicting sources, I think it could be true that forensic anthropolgy uses the term Caucasian, but most anthropolgists do not use the term (as gathered from the quote). --- Dark Tichondrias 21:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm struck by the possibilty that Tichondrias may be confusing forensics with Phrenology. I'm not in the field, but to me it seems reasonable to use the (admittedly somewhat old-fashioned) terms "negroid" and "caucasoid" to refer to statistically measurable clusters in a Hamming metric space of human DNA; contrast the terms "Afro-American" or "WASP" which are socio-political. The former is a topic in Genetic Anthropolgy more than cultural. In the Hamming space it would be reasonable to say (to give a merely plausible example) that Shaka Zulu is "more negroid" than Tiger Woods because one is closer in the hamming meetric to a cluster center, than the other; which is different from saying that one person is "more Black" than another. The difficulties with the terms "negro", "black", and so on, is the ambiguity between socio-politcal content vs scientific content. Articles where science and politics overlap can be very challenging to edit. Good luck :-) Pete St.John (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most Anthropologists would say they are Caucasoid (if they're Coonists)

It is both true that most anthropologists today do not believe the term Caucasoid has scientific objectivity and most anthropological research would say they are Caucasoid rather than Negroid or Mongoloid. Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, Austrailoid, are part of Carleton S. Coon's racial classification system. These categories are adhered to by his supporters. Because these terms are all part of the same classification system, it is doubtful that an anthropologist would classify them as Negroid (a Coonist classification) rather than Caucasoid (another Coonist classification), because it is defined by his system.

Also, I do distinguish between race/cline. Clines are different than races. Everyone is genetically related so there are no distinct races. Furthermore, everyone is genetically related by degrees or clines, so racial classification along genetic clines is useless and arbitrary. --- Dark Tichondrias 17:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No E-mails

I do not feel that there is something we are unable to discuss on Wikipedia. I don't have my e-mail listed because I do not want people sending me viruses or other personal attacks. -- Dark Tichondrias 19:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act

You once asked when we were going to put up info on Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act. Well, I've completed explaining it as best I can, the article can be found here. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Senate Terms

You asked on the Discussion page for the US Senate about why senators have a longer term than even the president. I wrote what I think might be the explanations. Interlingua talk email 03:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black People

The issue of whether or not he has an elfin nose seems rather peripheral to the subject of the article, doesn't it? =D -- Saaber 15:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mediterranean race

Can you please provide evidence that South Asians were ever categorised as part of the "mediterranean race". Please do not quote David Frawley, who has no standing as an anthropologist, and who can't even spell "Mongolian". Paul B 10:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hard and soft drugs

"How can they qualify when they have addictive properties and health risks in that case?"

You can argue the same thing for ice cream, fried chicken, and chocolate. All are psychologically addictive and carry health risks, but obviously, we don't add those. You argument is null and void. Like I said in the talk section my rationale about it still stands "I am moving the nicotine and alcohol sentence to the "soft" section. Like the other soft drugs, it is very hard to overdose on either alcohol or nicotine. --ProdigySportsman 21:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Earth

Was this edit[1] sincere? I only ask because it seems to me to be a joke. If it was sincere it will need a citation. I see you are a very helpful editor, this is not meant as any sort of discouragement. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 23:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sections

I had already created a section to discuss this issue, your ignoring that and creating a new section struck me as hostile. We need to keep the discussion in one section, SqueakBox 18:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, SqueakBox 18:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking pipes rename

Before renaming or moving a Wikipedia article, as you did with Smoking pipe, please use the article's Talk page to discuss whether or not the Wikipedia community agrees with the move; otherwise this may trigger edit wars, break article links, or cause other problems. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia has guidelines to help identify how an article should be named; if you are unsure whether or not to perform a page move, please consult Wikipedia:Requested moves for further help. Thanks! Frotz661 06:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, seeking advice, second opinion etc.

Hi its me from the sex tourism laws proposal. Is there any private messaging service or chat on this system. Been having a little trouble with an editor or at least im looking for a second opinion about something... Dont really know anyone on here well (other than the one I seem to be offside with) Regards, and bye for now and I will look forward to catching up. Thanks hope you can help. Anyway some quid pro quo - help me out and I will definately get that article started besides I need a sponsor or the other party might come in and reek havock with reverts on me methinks) is there any kind of editor/admin ranking system around here too. Thanks again, guess I will wait to here from you regards again, Mattjs 20:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Anarchists" should vandalize anything structured like wikipedia

You know, the whole retarded little rebellious stage is supposed to end when you grow into adulthood and abandon your whiny, teenage angst. You are not an anarchist; an anarchist would not support a structured online encyclopedia with rules and whatnot. An anarchist would basically vandalize the shit out of everything. You are just one of the millions of losers that claim to be anarchist/libertarians because it makes you look intelligent and important. --72.177.212.69 09:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see. So you yourself are one of those anarchists that believe anarchism is about vandalizing and destroying anything with a structure. So you are one of those anarchists that goes around and thrashes small businesses of people thinking that is anarchist. Honestly man, you don't know a thing about anarchism if you think anarchism is about vandalizing anything with structures. That my friend is teenage "anarchism", ie your the type that things anarchism is about throwing bricks at buildings. True anarchism is against all forms of coercion, not voluntary structured institutions. Zachorious 16:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchy means no government. No government means no police, fire department, military, running water, and electricity. Stores will be looted, putting small businesses out of business, the poor will plunder the rich, business criminals will run off with their companies' money, stock prices will plummet thrusting the economy into the worst economic depression in history, and without any kind of military, the country would quickly be taken and divided up by other countries without any opposition save for a few disorganized Nationalists. --72.177.212.69 05:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to know much about anarchism, do you? Read about it on wikipedia at least! Anarchy doesn't mean "chaos" as you are saying it is. And no government doesn't lead to "chaos". A true anarchist society is a society where people are free to do whatever they want, as long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others, or voluntaryism. "Police" and the "Military" will exist in an anarchist society in the form of private protection agencies and anti-government militias. Fire departments, running water, electricity, ect. will exist in privatized forms. I hope you read more on anarchism and libertarianism and come to your senses. Zachorious 07:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicely put, Zachorious! Connör 19:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no government, then nobody can really stop anyone from infringing on the rights of others. Private law enforcement and militias would have insufficient manpower to effectively prevent crime because the majority of people would rather get rich quick by looting, embezzlement, etc. than risk their lives fighting for a lost cause. Let's say, for instance, the American government somehow collapsed and everything that was provided by the government suddenly ceased to exist. Every country in the world could use some extra land and resources. The United States would be completely powerless and would immediately become occupied by various foreign countries bickering over who annexes what. Our current Armed forces wouldn't stand a chance against China's, what makes you think a disorganized group of private militias would? Hence, anarchy is completely stupid in this day and age. --72.177.212.69 22:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well the first American Militia (Continental Army) defeated one of the most powerful empires of the time: the British Empire. This army was made up by volunteer groups.....in the fashion an anarchist militia would form as. Now about your chaos theory, I think it is largely based on a false collectivist Divine Right of Kings model, where the natural state of nature of man is chaos. But is this really so? First of all taking up a violent lifestyle is risky. In a pure free market people will find ways to non-violently settle disputes. It would be counterproductive to fight it out when things can be solved peacefully.

I don't understand how you think private police and voluntary militias wouldn't be able to have sufficient manpower. Do you realize how inefficient government police is already? They first of all have no incentive to do a good job other than keeping their job, while a private police would have the incentive to provide the highest quality service at the lowest possible price in order to compete in the free market. Everyone knows how superior private detectives are for example than even the most seasoned police chief. Private security firms always tend to respond faster to crime when called upon than our current government police. This shouldn't be a surprise either, that is how the free market works. Look at how superior private health care is compared to government health care. Government health care is flogged in inefficiencies. And what is health care? In economics it is defined as a service, just like defense or protection. Not to mention the fact that there are so many different forms of protection (ie full-time bodyguard, part time patrol, ect.). I think you really need to read up more on just libertarian anarchist theory, but on economics itself. Economics is a science remember, and it equally applies to all goods and services in human society. But a good piece that describes how a private police, courts, ect. can function; I suggest you read this chapter in the "Libertarian Manifesto", by Murray Rothbard;

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/newliberty11.asp

Also read this thread on anarchism.net I found;

http://www.anarchism.net/forum/forum_entry.php?id=7274

Zachorious 21:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TL;DR.

YHBT, lol. --72.177.212.69

Too bad for you then.....guess you'll forever remain in the dark, lol. Zachorious 03:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fight on, fellow anarcho-capitalist. EVCM (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may keep the article as it is even if it is misleading, have a great day. --FateClub 00:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)--FateClub 00:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not wish an edit war. I not a fighting person. I moved NA to above Oceania in order to be alphabetical (E as in Eurasia before ...oh, I need to move Africa.) Why not put continents with no countries, such as SA? Proposal 1. Oceania is not a continent though I have seen references to Australia/Oceania. This is OK to you? Proposal 2. Wikipedia is not God. However, the wikipedia article for Eurasia says it's a LANDMASS and refers to it as a combination of 2 traditional continents, Europe and Asia. From a geological standpoint, I agree with you. I think it might even have to do with racism or at least diverse cultures that made Europe and Asia separate continents. How about using the term Europe/Asia instead?VK35 22:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both sound okay to me. Zachorious 15:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive libertarianism

I've left a question for you on that templates talk page. --Northmeister 03:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cannabis

I understand that you are pro-weed and all, but I tried to keep the wording that I changed simple. No need to say "in some users" when the heading says "side effects may include" this and that. And by the way, no need to notice you before I edit an article, because it doesn't belong to you. Cheers, #29 (talk) 07:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pop-ups question

"Using pop-ups" is what I did. Click on the link in the edit summary and you'll see what I mean. It's just a tool that helps me revert changes faster.

I reverted it because it is highly POV-pushing. As Nummer29 said above, there is no need to re-emphasize "in some users" when it says "side effects may include." As far as lack of concentration being a rare side effect, I don't know what the heck you are talking about... that's not what happened when I went to college, hehehe....

As it is, none of the side-effects there (even the ones you didn't add) are sourced, so it's sort of a crappy article. I could revert you again, but is the article really any better the way it was? Not really. It's all a bunch of speculation and original research. We can all talk about our own experiences, but that's bullshit when it comes to an encyclopedia article. --Jaysweet 19:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Green Beret casualties

Hi , according to www.icasualties.org there are 44 Green Beret KIA in Afghanistan and 24 KIA in Iraq till now , this include only active duty army i.e.(1,2,5,7,10 SF Groups) excluding Army national guard i.e. (19,20 SF Groups ) . --Jonybond 15:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. Zachorious 17:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perennial Philosphy

Zacorious, perhaps you'd be interested in addressing my question about ambiguity at the discussion page for Perennial Philiosophy? I'm not sure if the section after mine was intended as an answer. You just strike me as both interested, and comprehensible on my wavelength, so maybe you can help me out. The irony that my question may itself be perennial in or the other senses, or both or neither, is kinda funny but not by itself satisfying :-) Pete St.John (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Giuliani

Please do not remove Rudy Giuliani from charts, templates or galleries and/or state that he has withdrawn because that has not yet happened. Thank you for your cooperation.--STX 04:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I never removed Giuliani. Zachorious (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I made a mistake.--STX 04:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Psychoactive Drug Chart




Mazatec

Your instance that the Mazatecs use peyote is very un-helpful. R. Gordon Wasson and others traveled to Huautla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huautla,_Oaxaca and studied the Mazatecs. Wasson devoted his life to this endeavor. You have never been to Oaxaca and you refuse to read anything in the huge body of scientific literature about this subject (none of which supports your claim that the Mazatecs used peyote). You won't even read the wiki articles about R. Gordon Wasson, Maria Sabina or the one about peyote that clearly states that it doesn't grow anywhere near Oaxaca. You won't be confused with the facts but you think that your complete speculation that has absolutely no basis in reality is good enough to be included in an on-line encyclopedia. I see that your main avocation is engaging in edit wars in subjects of which you are ignorant and that you are an expert in taking drugs. Getting high and engaging in wild speculations is no substitute for study and drug-induced speculations have no place in a knowlege-based endeavor like wikipedia. Senor Cuete (talk) 17:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)Senor Cuete[reply]

You don't seem to realize that the burden of proof is on you ;). Find a citation....otherwise don't waste my time! Zachorious (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Gordon_Wasson

  • Forte, Robert. Entheogens and the Future of Religion. San Francisco: Council on Spiritual Practices, 1997.
  • Furst, Peter T. Flesh of the Gods: The Ritual Use of Hallucinogens. 1972.
  • Riedlinger, Thomas J. The Sacred Mushroom Seeker: Essays for R. Gordon Wasson. Portland: Dioscorides Press, 1990.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon, Stella Kramrisch, Jonathan Ott, and Carl A. P. Ruck. Persephone's Quest: Entheogens and the Origins of Religion. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1986.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. The Last Meal of the Buddha. Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 102, No. 4. (Oct. - Dec., 1982). p 591-603.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. The Wondrous Mushroom: Mycolatry in Mesoamerica. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1980.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon, et al. The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries. New York: Harcourt, 1978.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. Maria Sabina and Her Mazatec Mushroom Velada. New York: Harcourt, 1976.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. A Review of Carlos Castaneda's "Tales of Power." Economic Botany. vol. 28(3):245-246, 1974.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. A Review of Carlos Castaneda's "Journey to Ixtlan: The Lessons of Don Juan." Economic Botany. vol. 27(1):151-152, 1973.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. A Review of Carlos Castaneda's "A Separate Reality: Further Conversations with Don Juan." Economic Botany. vol. 26(1):98-99. 1972.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. A Review of Carlos Castaneda's "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge." Economic Botany. vol. 23(2):197. 1969.
  • Wasson, R. Gordon. Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality. 1968.
  • Wasson, Veronica, and R. Gordon Wasson. Mushrooms, Russia and History. 1957.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sabina

  • Álvaro Estrada, María Sabina: her Life and Chants (ISBN 0-915520-33-8)
  • Álvaro Estrada, Vida de María Sabina: la sabia de los hongos (ISBN 968-23-0513-6)
  • Benjamin Feinberg, "The Devil's Book of Culture: History, Mushrooms, and Caves in Southern Mexico" (ISBN 0-292-70190-X)
  • Enrique Gonzáles, Conversaciones con María Sabina y Otros Curanderos (ISBN 968-20-0158-7)
  • Rita Guerrero, "¿Qué nombre le ponemos?", Chapter 3 of the History of Santa Sabina
  • Michael J. Harner, ed. "Hallucinogens and Shamanism" (ISBN 0-19-501649-1)
  • Jerome Rothenberg, ed. "María Sabina: Selections" (ISBN 0-520-23953-9)
  • Eric Zolov, Refried Elvis: The Rise of the Mexican Counterculture (ISBN 0-520-21514-1)
  • John W. Allen, María Sabina: Saint Mother of the Sacred Mushrooms (ISBN 0-9631518-9-4)
  • John W. Allen and Jochen Gartz: Teonanácatl: A Bibliography of Entheogenic Mushrooms (ISBN 1-58214-099-5)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huautla,_Oaxaca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote

Senor Cuete (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)Senor Cuete[reply]