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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by JHK (talk | contribs) at 05:48, 25 January 2002 (Joining Michael. No longer giving explanations unless I feel the urge.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

What is SRI Sacrum Romanum Imporium or Holy Roman Empire (Heilig Roemisch Reich Deutscher Nation)

Aside from the equally bad spellings of HRE in Latin and German, there is no reason for both in the entry. It's just being redundant. I removed the redundancies, including the bogus Prince Elector thing. ALL the Margraves of Brandenburg were Electors, it was not a special title -- there were seven: Abps. of Trier, Mainz, and Cologne (I think), M. of Brandenburg, Count Palatine of the Rhine, and two other laymen -- the Duke of Saxony, I think and I can't remember the last one.


As for the link, I left it, but again, I implore people to be more critical of this type of source -- I commented on this one in particular at great length on another of Helga's pages....JHK

HJ, the 'turned it over to Jesuits' is unforgivably vague. turned over his duchy to be ruled by jesuits? turned over religious instruction in his duchy to jesuits is the likely answer. -- MichaelTinkler

I never saw your earlier note, I'm afraid, but Brandenburg/Prussian? history isn't so obscure that it has to be gleaned from selective interpretation of contemporary illustrations (flatly contradicted by their own accompanying text - uncited, of course), obscure references to nominal titles, or unnamed encyclopaedias (which?). Why would Johann Georg, a Lutheran ruler, hand his dominions to the Jesuits? Would this revolutionary transformation in the religious balance of central Europe not have registered more forcefully in the historical record than appears to have been the case?

To David Parker

(With all the ramblings of the professors I almost did not see your note either). The rulers at that time switched back and forth several times.8o percent were protestant. But there were Calvinists and all kinds of other reformers. Under the Habsburgs the Anti-Reformation brought the Catholics back to appr. 50/50 in Germany. Many Hohenzollern were Calvinists and always had to get along with the emperors , who headed the Catholic Anti-Reformation. [Albert I of Prussia]? was Lutheran.Johann Georg and his brother Johann Sigismund took on reformed religion in 1613. The way it is written in wikipedia now is fine, because today it does not make much difference any more.

Frau Jonat


Please discontinue contributing historicle articles if, as you say, "because today it does not make much difference any more." It does matter. It also matters that the movement you call the Anti-Reformation is actually called the Catholic Reformation or,up until about 20-25 years ago, the Counter-Reformation. I'm sorry that you consider our attempts to help you avoid the egregious errors you seem hell-bent on making, "ramblings." It was my hope that you were truly interested in making useful, historically valid contributions. Apparently, you are only interested in writing what you want to write and propogating views of history that are yours and yours alone. That being the case, I no longer feel obligated to offer courtesy explanations when good sense and demonstrably better knowledge compel me to edit the utter crap with which you choose to pollute this site. JHK


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