Talk:Toby Young

Huh? Cambridge? I read his semi-autobiography and he says a lot about Oxford and Harvard but when did he go to Cambridge? He already had two degrees and as far as I know he's not Dr Young! ZephyrAnycon 16:23, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

You dont win a first, oxford doesnt hold a prize draw, you earn one.

I’ve read everything about and by Toby Young I can find, and think he’s done OK. I mean for a man who’s so proud to be a famous failure, it’s not as though he’s a plastic spoon council estate scallywag - he’s highly educated, often published, well connected, well read and well traveled. Author, journalist, playwright, actor, pundit.... Come on Toby, be grateful for what you’ve got - you don’t have to be a millionaire to be one of life’s winners.

Explanation of changes by Tyoung8

You've asked me to explain the changes I've sought to make to my Wikipedia entry.

To begin with, I'm not making up the fact that I was a student at Trinity College, Cambridge. I was a graduate student there from 1988-90 and, during the same period, I was a teaching assistant in the Social and Political Sciences Faculty. Anyone wishing to check these facts can do so by calling both Trinity College and the SPS Faculty. The reason I didn't get a degree from Cambridge is because I was a PhD student -- first in the Philosophy Faculty, then in the SPS Faculty -- but didn't complete.

The changes I'm seeking to make to my page are as follows:

1. I want to delete "The Hon" from the beginning of my name. I style myself "Toby Young" and do not use the title. 2. I want to delete the summaries of both of my books in the first paragraph because, to my eye, it scans better without them. It's also too much information to be included about the books of a minor journalist such as myself. 3. I want to change "Conde Nast Publications' Vanity Fair" to Vanity Fair (magazine) for reasons of brevity. Again, I think it scans better as well as conforming to colloquial usage. No one refers to Vanity Fair as Conde Nast Publications' Vanity Fair. They just call it Vanity Fair. 4. I want to delete the final sentence of the first paragraph. Again, I do not use the title "Hon" so the fact that I'm entitled to use it is irrelevant. 5. I want to delete the sentence "At Oxford he started a magazine named The Danube, discovering his interest in journalism." Again, it's too much details for such a minor figure as myself. 6. I want to change this sentence "He then left for Harvard as a Fulbright scholar where he became a teaching fellow in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences and discovered Spy, the satirical magazine co-edited by Graydon Carter." to "He then left for Harvard as a Fulbright scholar where he worked as a teaching fellow in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences and became a devoted reader of Spy, the satirical magazine co-edited by Graydon Carter." My only reason is because that sounds better to me. To say I "discovered" Spy is a bit odd, as you don't really "discover" magazines. You read them. 7. While it's true that Charlotte Raven did compare me to Hitler -- she told the Independent on Sunday I had gone to ground "like Hitler in his bunker" because I would not return her telephone calls -- I'd like to exclude that because Wikipedia is so widely used as a reference source and, as a result, I've often been described, both in print and on television, as having been compared to Hitler. My concern is that, out of context, people may think it means I'm anti-Semitic. I find that upsetting for a number of reasons, one of which is that my father-in-law is Jewish and lost a number of close relatives in the Holocaust. 8. I'd like to change the reference to "The Modern Review" to the "Modern Review (London)" since that brings up the actual publication I edited, as opposed to a page with search results on it. 9. I'd like to change "The Evening Standard" to the "Evening Standard" since that brings up the paper I work for, ie, links to another page on Wikipedia. 10. I'd like to change "He has performed in the West End in a stage adaptation of How to Lose Friends and Alienate People and, in 2005, cowrote (with fellow Spectator journalist Lloyd Evans) a sex farce about the David Blunkett/Kimberley Fortier scandal and the 'Sextator' affairs of Boris Johnson and Rod Liddle called Who's the Daddy?[5][6]." to "He has performed in the West End in a stage adaptation of How to Lose Friends and Alienate People and, in 2005, cowrote (with fellow Spectator journalist Lloyd Evans) a sex farce about the David Blunkett/Kimberley Quinn scandal called Who's the Daddy?.[5][6]" My reasons: "Kimberly Fortier" has become known as "Kimberly Quinn", I think it's excessive to list all the characters in my play and makes the sentence somewhat unwieldy, and I think the fullstop should come after the footnotes, not before them. 11. I'd like to change the two sentences "Young is married to Caroline Bondy. They have two children." to "Young is married to Caroline Bondy with whom he has two children." Again, I think it scans better. 12. Finally, in the first paragraph I'd like to place the fullstop after Capote before the footnote, rather than after it. This is just standard correct punctuation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tyoung8 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

guy's a douche!

Sounds fair. I've made most of those changes (leaving a reference to the fact that you could be the Hon. but choose not to style yourself as such). I've also left in the info that you figure too obscure to be included - if someone's important enough to have a Wikipedia article, they're important enough to have it be complete. Sorry for the reversion difficulty. Geoff NoNick 15:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Images

File:TobywIanFergus.jpg

File:Me at Stage Door.jpg

Two images exist for this article; there was some brief confusion because both displayed the same. Image:TobywIanFergus.jpg and Image:Me at Stage Door.jpg. Tyoung8 uploaded the second image over the first, which may have cause some editors to see the image with a non-matching description due to page caching issues. I have reverted the image upload; the images should display as before. Unfortunately Image:Me at Stage Door.jpg does not have its source described correctly, so it might be deleted soon unless its copyright status can be clarified. Kusma (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

While it's true that I've made frequent changes to this page, it's not for reasons of self-aggrandisement, honest! I'm just seeking to create a simple and accurate Wikipedia entry for myself.

Admittedly, I prefer the picture I'm trying to put up here to the previous one of me with Ian Osborne and F. Gwynplaine McIntyre for reasons of vanity. By all means revert to the previous one if you must, but bear in mind that that one was attached to my page for reasons of self-promotion by F. Gwynplaine McIntyre. The photograph I'm trying to add was taken by Oliver Lim, but he has transferred all the rights in it to me and I'm happy for it to be reproduced anywhere. You can check that with him by emailing him on oliver.lim@btopenworld.com. What happens now? Do I make the changes I'm seeking to make or wait for a Wikipedia administrator to make them? Email me on tyoung@infohouse.com.

The instructions are at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Probably {{GFDL-self}} or {{PD-self}} are appropriate choices if you have all the image rights. Kusma (talk) 15:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I assume the abreiviation PPE is Philosophy, Politics and economics but can someone confirm and add the unabreiviated version as its not 100% obvious 3tmx 18:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Education

I'm sure that Toby was at Dartington Hall School in the late'70's early 80's when I was! Donebythesecondlaw (talk) 08:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)