Talk:2008–09 Australian region cyclone season

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2009: Atlantic - W. Pacific - Central and East. Pacific - N. Indian - S. Hemisphere

January

07P.CHARLOTTE - Category One Tropical Cyclone

Best status from NRL: 35kts 996 MB

Best status from TCWC Darwin/Brisbane: 45kts 987 hPa

97P.INVEST first appeared 2009-01-08, 0430z @ 16.1ºS 139.5ºE.

Tropical Low [1002 hPa] from TCWC Darwin 2009-01-08, 0400z @ 17.0ºS 139.0ºE.

POOR from ABPW10 2009-01-09, 1500z @ 17.0ºS 139.8ºE.

Weak Tropical Low [999 hPa] from TCWC Brisbane @ 16.9ºS 139.5ºE.

Tropical Cyclone Charlotte, Category One from TCWC Brisbane 2009-01-11, 0000z @ 16.2ºS 139.4ºE.

TCFA from WTPS21 2009-01-11, 0100z @ 16.2ºS 139.6ºE.

JTWC designates as TC 07P 2009-01-11, 0900z @ 16.7ºS 140.0ºE.

Landfall near Gilbert River Mouth from TCWC Brisbane 2009-01-11, 1800z @ 16.8ºS 141.2ºE.

Final advisory from JTWC 2009-01-11, 2100z @ 16.5ºS 141.3ºE.

Tropical Low, Ex-Charlotte from TCWC Brisbane 2009-01-12, 0000z @ 17.0ºS 141.7ºE.

Darwin TWO

2009-01-08, 0400z

2009-01-09, 0400z

Brisbane Tropical Cyclone Advices

01 // 02 // 03 // 04 // 05 // [06] // 07 // 08 // 09 // 10

11 // 12 // 13 // 14 // 15 // 16 // 17 (FINAL)

High Sea Warnings

2009-01-12, 0600z // 1200z (FINAL)

Tropical Cyclone Technical Bulletin

2009-01-11, 0000z // 0600z // 1200z // 1800z (FINAL)

JTWC Tropical Cyclone Warnings

01 // 02 (FINAL)

91S.INVEST -

Best status from NRL: 15kts 1010 MB

91S.INVEST first appeared 2009-01-11, 1930z @ 12.4ºS 121.7ºE.

Location Of Advisories

Tropical Cyclone Three Day Outlook Jakarta \\ Perth \\ Perth \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Tropical Cyclone High Seas Warning Jakarta \\ Perth Cyclone 1 \\ Perth Cyclone 2 \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Tropical Cyclone Technical Bulletin Perth 1 \\ Perth 2 \\ Darwin \\ Brisbane

Main Pages Jakarta \\ BoM \\ JTWC

Archives BoM \\ Jakarta

JTWC:

ABIO10 \\ ABPW10

Cyclone 1 \\ Cyclone 2 \\ Cyclone 3

Unisys Archives

Best track

Subtropical Low

Gary Padgett during his Summuary has mentioned that there was a Subtropical Low in TCWC Perths AOR during July. Is it worth adding it to the article??? Jason Rees (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, that link is to a forum, which is uncitable, and second, unless an agency monitored it/said it was something, then we can't mention it. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1) Whoops wrong link this is the one i meant to put down 2) Padgett says that BOM did monitor and release warnings for it but im not sure weather they designated it as a Subtropical low or anything so ill check it out via WX Tropical in a bit Jason Rees (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update Ive now Checked and theres nothing on WX Trop Jason Rees (talk) 00:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

from Billy's TC technical remarks: The future motion of the system may be determined by the development and movement of a low currently in the Gulf of Carpentaria. This system is expected to track steadily west over the base of the Top End of the Northern Territory and reach the NT/WA border on Tuesday night. NWP portrays this sytem as having enough strength to erode the peripheral ridge to the east of 03U/05S and this is likely the primary reason for the change in model forecast motion to west southwest on Wednesday and Thursday.

They're saying this is the third system this season.. - グリフオーザー (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So i wonder wats the second system - Bernard???? Jason Rees (talk) 20:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is this way:

1-Subtropical Low
2-Anika
3-Billy

--क्षेम्य Tranquility 20:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think its that way round Irmela but just so we can clairfy the situation ive sent an email to the BoM asking about the Tropical Cyclone Numbering.Jason Rees (talk) 00:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal Forecasts

I have added Boms predictions to the article after webciting them. Jakarta on their website say they will issue one but im not sure as to when they will issue it. Do TCWC MORSEBY issue one at all? Jason Rees (talk) 03:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TC System Numbers

From BoM

Hello Jason,

Sorry about the delay in my reply - we have been busy with warning centre operations.

You are correct that for this season, tropical depressions in the Australian region have been numbered as follows:

01U - Bernard

02U - Anika

03U - Billy

04U - Gulf of Carpentaria low

The subtropical low in July was not included in this season's list.

The ID numbers are assigned numerically in the sequence that they are required and the sequence reverts back to 01U during the intervening dry season. For example, an unnamed system around 29 July 2007 was assigned the first ID number for the 2007/08 season.

I hope this information helps.

Regards, Ian.

Ian Shepherd,

Senior Meteorologist, Severe Weather Section

Northern Territory Regional Office

Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology Jason Rees (talk) 04:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

I see my move to "2008–2009 Australian region cyclone season" was reverted. Due to consistency reasons it should be "2008–2009". First of all, that's the most common way of naming articles on en.wiki, and secondly it avoids misunderstandings. There is plenty of ways to write dates, and with many of them it might look like the "09" points at the month September (month 9). --Eivind (t) 22:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

using 2008-09 is common use by all the RMSC except for RSMC Réunion that does write storms indentification as 20082009. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UTC guideline?

I've not found any guideline stating that UTC must be used. I have also commented on a userpage and have yet to see a reply. Local times and dates should be used and maybe have the UTC time and states in brackets, IE: 10:30am AEST, January 12 (23:30 UTC, January 11). If Hurricane Katrina can have local times then I can't see why an Australian article can't have local time rather then just UTC. Bidgee (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have within about 5 minutes of me searching taken find it. The article WPTC Style guidelines clearly state that all articles should be in UTC. Jason Rees (talk) 23:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia ferry disaster

Tropical Cyclone Charlotte didn't cause the disaster. The Australian says the high waves were caused from the "annual monsoon season and a full moon"http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24903444-2703,00.html. AP says it was caused by a Cyclone of the "coast of Sulawesi Island" (Which is incorrect as the Cyclone was located in the Gulf of Carp) http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hgt7wlKmz9E1Fc2d9dRoZLq8fs7wD95LNKVO0 and other news outlets just say rough seas. guardian.co.uk along with some other outlets are incorrect with there reporting but seems that The Australian have it right. I have to go to work so I can't reply until later on. Bidgee (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It might be worth waiting a bit to see what really is the reason to this disaster. Seems like some disinformation by the media. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 20:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep i would agree with Brudder Andrusha, though from wat i have seen the ship was nowhere near the GOC.Jason Rees (talk) 21:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt it was even caused by TC Charlotte[1] since she stuck to close to the SE coast of GOC. One media report doesn't mean it's right and should be posted. For now it should be removed until it can be confirmed that it's correct. Just to add the AP states "in a cyclone"[2] (With that it can't be TC Charlotte since it's too far away), BBC has nothing about a cyclone[3] and the Gulf Daily News (Bahrain) states it was struck by TC Charlotte[4](totally incorrect since Charlotte was no were near Sulawesi as clearly seen by the BoM link and google will give you the distance). Bidgee (talk) 05:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

earthquakes/aftershocks in Indonesia? -- グリフオーザー (talk) 23:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

naming system

This is a bit out of context yet i disagree with the naming system, i think a worldwide naming system for cyclical storms should be used(much more social and involved) or at least a system that makes clear what kind of system the storm is, now its only names, names, names, etc. It wouldn't even be so hard to have informationbearing names. That would be an effective way to give warning on longer term, so if you are not yet sure if something will happen, Katherina , katherina, isn't that when Bush took the money for the dikes?24.132.170.97 (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]