Talk:Plantation economy
Don't merge it! Rename it!
Why doesn't someone just rename it to "American Plantation Economy" or "History of U.S. Agriculture" or something? I haven't found such an article of that specific nature yet... like authors are just walking around the main issue... Every country has its own discrete agricultural history anyway. To give insight into America's would just be more accurate and academic... no?
removal
removed the words ", as determined by Dr. Stearns, a leading expert in world history" -- who? cite, please? -- Anon.
Merge proposal
oppose merge proposal with sugar plantation. There is much potential expansion of this article, especially if it is widened from the current narrow definition. See related content in Plantation. Imc 21:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Why only Virginia?
If this article is only going to talk about only a specific state, then the tittle should be changed to Virginian Tobacco Plantations. Other states produced tobacco in equal, if not higher, numbers than Virginia and they should also be include. For example, I know that Kentucky has historically been known for thier tobacco crops. Although the state (commonwealth) didn't have as large of plantations as mentioned they still had them in operation. The inclusion of states like Kentucky, whose number on cash crop was tobacco, would contribute greatly to the validity of this article. Enigma 09:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Maryland should be mentioned as well, since it's early economy depended on tobacco and slavery. Starting in 2001 the state has paid farmers not to grow tobacco, which has lead to almost 8 million pounds in reduced tobacco production in the state.
Tobacco plantations in colonial virginia - that should be the name
This articles has the best title in the world! The title is completely misleading. What about plantations in other parts of the U.S., what about the Caribbean, South America, other places in the world?
What about the different types of plantations? Sugar and tobacco is it? And the different ways they were run, like the blues (music that has fundamentally transformed American music) comes from the South because there plantations tended to be very large. Slaves lived in big groups and so were able to retain much of their African culture in their quarters where they wer left alone for the most part.
Think of the huge impact the culture American slaves developed on plantations has had on our culture today. KarenAnn 14:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Plantations Size & Slave Ownership
Some important data should be better understood. In the article the # 385,000 was given for persons owning slaves and on using the no.s given , that amounted to only 3.8 % of the Southern population owning slaves (that 3.8 % calculated using the articles no.s and percentages).
That is my point , I would have estimated that only 1/2 of 1 % of persons in the South owned slaves ever, or at any time in their family history. Also, there is a huge difference in size. Most plantations, if they were in fact even a plantation, had none or few and most all the slaves were owned by larger, not 100 or 500 acres, but 2,000 to 40,000 acres plantations.
And the no. of slaves depended on the crop, with labor intensive plantations as rice plantations having 15 to 20 times as many slaves as a cotton plantation (20 to 50 for cotton versus 500-800 for rice).
And so what I'm attempting to pass on is that while some farmers with smaller farms of 200-500 acres might have had 1,2,3 slaves - almost entirely, the slave population was owned by the larger, largest plantations and those plantations owners were more like 1/4 of 1 % of the Southern population. And that very small % of the population were the rich, ultra rich.
While most all other persons in the South were small farmers - as most all are famliar that the states e.g. of Ala, Miss were mostly divided up into 200 acre farms that were granted via auctions. And those small farmers never had any slaves.
And so the venting and railing e.g. v. Southerners e.g. for slavery misses the point that overwhelmingly persons in the South had nothing at all to do with slavery as most all (95 - 99 1/2 %) of the South's population never owned any slave nor did their ancestors. 76.192.0.248 (talk) 03:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC) massa wassa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.192.0.248 (talk) 03:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Southern Plantation Economy
Auto bot removed these two links, don't know why ; they are from PhD generated educational film of 1950's but still good.
gullah gee gah 76.192.7.105 (talk) 08:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
We're missing Hawaii...
WHY!!!!WE'RE MISSING HAWAII!!!! Where's Hawaii in this article? Hawaiian sugar plantations were pretty important to Hawaii's economy for a long time, and many Japanese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, etc. immigrants ended up working in the sugar plantations. For references, Strangers From A Different Shore by Ronald Takaki is a good place to start. 169.229.121.94 07:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Quote from the Sugarcane Wikipedia article: "Sugarcane production greatly influenced many tropical Pacific islands, most particularly Hawaii and Fiji. In these islands, sugar came to dominate the economic and political landscape after the indigenous societies had been invaded by Europeans and Americans, who promoted immigration from various Asian countries for workers to tend and harvest the crop. Sugar-industry policies eventually established the ethnic makeup of the island populations that now exist, profoundly affecting modern politics and society in the islands." 169.229.121.94 07:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Link to site talking about Hawaii's Sugar industry: http://www.hawaiiag.org/harc/HARCHS11.HTM 169.229.121.94 07:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
The system in Hawaii involved non-slave laborers, and harsh overseers called lunas. Could someone please write a bit on Hawai'i? 169.229.121.94 02:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
GB/USA
Virginia,Maryland,Hawai...all are USA,if you want to add them i suggest to resume them all in a United States section,and if you want to deepene the subject create a plantation economy in the USa.
The article currently deals only with USA,it would be usefull to ad sections for central and south america and africa,since this where also colonies,and the base for colonies tends to be an monoexport economy of intensive plantations.Even after independence some countries still maintain a plantation economy,examples include:Cuba (sugar cane),most central america (banana),historical:Venezuela (used to be the worlds mayor cacao producer in colonial times, 1500-1810),etc.--Andres rojas22 22:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
pwopls be wokins haaaaaaaard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.97.97.217 (talk) 02:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)