Talk:New Order (band)

new order as indie rock? it's well placed in new wave band list, but when you see the info... "New Order are an English indie rock band "

This is a bit more complex - they certainly started as an indie rock band with synths (arguably even "post-punk"?), and even though many of their recordings were club hits in remixed form, the albums as released retain a definite "rock" sound. Possibly "New Order are an English rock group who fuse indie rock with dance music"? Rayray 09:25, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Do we really need a page for EVERY single? The three most notable ones - Blue Monday, True Faith and TPK already have non-stub articles that I started, although I didn't write most of the BM one. Adding stubs for them all is a bit OTT. Kiand 10:57, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

They're not so much stubs as they are short articles, as the point is to chronicle more the releases than the songs themselves. I think they're pieces of general interest (and consider that there is an article that lists songs by NO that don't have the title in the lyrics!), but then again, I'm the culprit in this case. ;) - hN

Has Gillian really left the band? I know she has to take care of her ailing son, but she does get to work with the band, if not tour with them right?

She's officially out, Phil's officially in; she's not on the new album.

Now the core members of Joy Division decided to change the name of the band if one of them were to leave the group. Did they choose to ignore this promise when Gillian left New Order?

New Order tracks which include the title in the lyrics

What a banal piece of trivia. Is this really necessary? Edwardian 07:50, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)Edwardian

It was a seperate page, to offest the fact that a full New Order section on the list of songs without the title in the lyrics could have been close to a hundred entries long; someone merged it without discussing it first... Kiand 17:49, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It might have been an intersting bit of trivia when it was RARE for New Order to directly label a song after something in the lyrics, but not any longer. Would anyone mind if I remove it? Edwardian 21:49, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)Edwardian

Considering I spent an hour or two checking it, I'd kinda like it to stay in some form, but as most of Get Ready and WFTSC have the titles in the lyrics, it could get a bit unweildy... If you can see some way of mentioning it but removing the list, go ahead Kiand 21:56, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the tracks from the two latest albums should be left out of the list, and just a note saying that most of them are named after lyrics be put under it? --Zilog Jones 01:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't want anyone to feel as though he or she has wasted his or her time, but I'm still trying to understand why this list is deserving of inclusion in the article. Just because a list of something can be made, that doesn't mean it should be included. Why not a list of all New Order songs with BPM = 120? Edwardian 01:40, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Because this is one of the more distinctive features of New Order. I suggest moving it back to its own page. --Hn 02:43, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

2nd that thought. The list distrupts the flow of the article. --Madchester 21:18, 2005 May 10 (UTC)

I think this deserves neither a full section in the article nor its own page. The trivia section is looking pretty skimpy - why not consolidate it into a short blurb there? --jiy 02:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rob Gretton

Who gives a crap about trivia? How can this article go 3.5 years before its first mention of Rob Gretton? Edwardian 07:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of trivia... the "New Order" name

The article states:The late Rob Gretton, the band's manager for over 20 years, is credited for having found the name "New Order" in an article in The Guardian entitled "The People's New Order of Kampuchea". FYI: Johnsons' 1984 book says "the article spoke of the 'New Order of Kampuchean Liberation'", Flowers' 1995 book says Gretton got it from a passage in an essay about a "new order of architecture", and Middles' 1996 book says Gretton got it from "a television documentary about Pol Pot". Edwardian 07:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Monday sleeve

"Blue Monday" is the best selling 12" single of all time, though because the packaging of the first pressing was so elaborate, resembling a large 5¼" floppy disk I think it was actually based on an even older format - eight inch or possibly eight and a half. Used to use them on a Honeywell Level 6 in the early eighties. BTLizard 12:14, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

    The 1983 Blue Monday 12" is definately modelled on a 5.25" floppy disk.

Just one word

Hi, changed just one word. The article had "current personnel ...". I just thought this was way to military discourse. So I substituted 'personnel' for 'members'. Still a neutral word. Just not so harsh. Any objections then change it straight back Cheers. --203.220.120.188 14:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]