Talk:Pinkerton (album)

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Audience change

I removed this part of the article: Guitarist Brian Bell noticed a difference between the audience during the Pinkerton tour and the Blue Album tour, "We saw our audience change from intelligent, hip-looking people to complete jocks who just came because they saw the video. That's the price you pay if you want to make a living at this."^[1] because the exact quote in the book is as follows; "Looking back on the band's frenzied 'Blue Album' era in late 1996, Brian marveled at Weezer's unexpected ascent. "We saw our audiences change from intelligent, hip-looking people to complete jocks who just came because they saw the video. That's the price you pay if you want to make a living at this."

He is referring to the " 'Blue album' era" audience, not the "Pinkerton era" audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.89.199 (talk) 08:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article

Do my eyes deceive me? Is Pinkerton finally a featured article? Yay! My hard work paid off! cowbellcity45 talk 18:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Half Japanese

"It has been rumored that the first verse of "El Scorcho" contains references to the band Half Japanese." I have never heard of this rumor. I highly doubt this is a reference to this band. The song goes "goddamn you half japanese girls, do it to me every time." Just judging from that. I can safely guess it has nothing to do with the band Half Japanese. I'm removing it. User: wikiwonka12

I'd like to change "Rolling Stone's readers" to "Rolling Stone's barking stupid readers" ... but instead I'll just note that here. -- Twang 4 Jan 07

Trivia

I'm going to integrate the miscellanea section per WP:TRIVIA --AW 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Though most of Pinkerton's songs are in major keys, the album sounds abrasive. The drums are loud in the mix and highly compressed, the bass overdriven, the guitars heavily processed - often to the point that the leads sound like chainsaws. Additionally, Cuomo often shout-sings urgently and seems to push his vocal range to its upper limits. Some of the songs shift keys, tonalities, dynamics and tempos suddenly, adding to the sonic turbulence. The vocals on the album were recorded by the band as a group around three microphones.

With the exception of the last two sentences, this whole paragraph sounds like a huge violation of WP:NPOV. I've deleted it for now (yes, all of it; can't think of a good way to reincorporate those orphaned final sentences); if anyone else can rewrite it, that'd be much appreciated. GammaShade 01:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weezer chronology

Weezer chronology in the info-box needs updating.

Why, what's wrong with it? -Joltman 11:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Critical failure

Not really a fan of Weezer, but four out of six professional reviews featured rate this album with a perfect score, and two others gave it 7.5/10 and 6/10. That's impressive enough, I think. Why is it called a 'critical failure'? Commercial failure maybe, but critical? -- Fractious Jell (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i think at the time it was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Sharp

I removed the part about many people seeing Matt Sharp as an important contributer to Weezer's sound. People may think that, but in the end it's irrelevant, because he wasn't. Just listen to Cuomo's solo home demos of songs like "Buddy Holly" or "Tired of Sex" for proof. Pkmntrainerred (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pkmntrainerred may think his unsupported opinions are fact, but in the end it's irrelevant, because they are not. Just ask me, a person who loved the first two albums, then heard Return of the Rentals, and spotted where 'what I liked about Weezer' came from. I haven't bought albums 3-6. (I also haven't haven't bought any of Matt's post 2000 stuff.) You don't have to agree with me, but respect others' opinions and don't remove them. It didn't say Matt Sharp was an important contributer, it said MANY PEOPLE SAW Matt Sharp as an important contributer. 91.109.244.22 (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What many people believe doesn't matter if it's not true. Rivers Cuomo wrote every song on the first two albums exclusively, with the exception of a few collaborations with Patrick Wilson and Jason Cropper. Matt was essentially just there because Rivers could only play one instrument at a time. It's true that the first two albums are leagues ahead of the others, but that is not in any way due to the exit of Sharp. Again, listen to some of Cuomo's home demos (which are EXACTLY the same as the full-band versions) or refer to when money-starved Sharp sued the band because he claimed he co-wrote a heap of songs, and then lost because that idea is so ridiculous it could never stand up. 209.99.108.22 (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Dictionary

I noticed the first source is from Urban Dictionary, which isn't an acceptable source. TostitosAreGross (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. There is plenty of other sources for Emo there anyway, UD is just user-submitted so it has no reliability at all. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

^ Luerssen D., John, 2004 p. 220

[page220-1] Luerssen D., John, 2004 p. 220

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