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- offline refs accepted w/ good faith. I happen to like ALT2 better, but take your pick. —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 02:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The whole article is written based on a couple of pages in the book published by the Government of India. In such a case, even if I am to add inline citations for each and every claim in the article, it will probably be from the same source-RavichandarMy coffee shop 15:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've added citations for the hook-RavichandarMy coffee shop 15:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • No, now it doesn't make sense. He was mainly known for being a judge rather than a barrister, and both judges and barristers have rooms referred to as "chambers". As such it is important to clarify that it was while he was a barrister rather than while he was a judge to avoid confusion on the part of the reader. Ironholds (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I didn't mean to change the meaning, but I misinterpreted the hook, and I think others could get as lost as I did. You meant "while a barrister" to modify "Henry McCardie", but I misinterpreted "while" as introducing a major subordinate clause "a barrister, Henry McCardie, often worked so late into the night that his chambers were nicknamed 'the lighthouse'". Then I got lost because there was no way to attach that imaginary clause to the rest of the sentence; or in non-grammatical terms, while he worked so late that his chambers were nicknamed "the lighthouse", what else happened while that was happening? So how about "Henry McCardie, as a barrister, ..."? Art LaPella (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Pls keep DYK hooks short, 200 characters at the most. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The first hook is. Grsz11 18:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Main house at St. Basil
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I dunno about that hook. It doesn't feel grabby enough. DS (talk) 15:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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What sport and country is this? Daniel Case (talk) 19:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded out WHL to provide the sport name in the hook. Not sure how I can shoehorn Canada in without it looking awkward. Suggestions? Resolute 22:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, a quarter of the WHL is in the U.S. --74.14.18.114 (talk) 15:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What did the car crash have to do with the winning streak years afterwards? --74.14.18.114 (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this not premature and misleading? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I don't know, but I don't think you can fit this in the timeframe by any stretch of the rules. What did the article look like when it was first deleted or userspaced? Grsz11 04:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is a 14.5x expansion from when it was userfied.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further consideration, it seems to meet all the criteria date wise and notability wise based on having been userfied. It's a timely topic and I think it's an interesting article subject. Kudos to its creators. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well are you going to give it the green check mark?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do publications like the NY Times do these comparisons for every new US President? This is therefore an uninteresting hook. BTW, "(Obama pictured)" needs to be changed. Mr & Mrs Obama as well as many other people are pictured. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? Why is this back? It's Day 24! He might not make it to Day 100! --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It passed WP:DRV 8–2 after some content addition. Regardless of the fact that we can not be sure of day 100 before putting this on the main page about 10 weeks early, we must make a decision now. I switched to an image of the 2nd oath (with far fewer people).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I think the word "attended" suggests that Abbott attended Lincoln as a physician, but neither of the sources supports that idea. The DCB says: "Among the select group who stood vigil over the dying President Abraham Lincoln in April 1865, he was later presented by Mary Todd Lincoln with a shawl her husband had worn to his first inauguration." - I suggest rewording the hook. Length and history verified. Awadewit (talk) 12:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This story was interesting enough to get me poking around this morning, and there do seem to be at least a few references that refer to Abbott as serving a medical function at Lincoln's deathbed. In the book Lincoln in The Times: The Life of Abraham Lincoln, as Originally Reported in the New York Times by David Herbert Donald and Harold Holzer (Macmillan 2005), ISBN 9780312349196, there is mention on p.252 (Google Books excerpt here) that Abbott was the one keeping the "minutes" (his pulse, respiration, etc.) I'll add this cite to the page unless others think it's not germane.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might as well add that reference please and keep the hook as is. --Boston (talk) 05:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Already done.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I, too, thought this was interesting. Awadewit (talk) 13:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length and reference verified (reference barely passes WP:RS since it's expressing an opinion rather than fact) but 1) this is not a compelling hook and 2) it mis-states the source. The source did not describe the bracelet as a "bondage accessory". It described it as "look[ing] a bit like a bondage accessory". There's a difference. You have some characters to play with in the hook (currently 121) but I'm wondering if there isn't something more interesting that could be said about the subject? Otto4711 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changed wording, but I disagree, I think it is a compelling hook. It is off the wall and unexpected for something that you would expect from a company such as the WPT.---I'm Spartacus! The artist formerly known as Balloonman 22:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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... that openly gay Village Voice columnist Arthur Bell denounced William Friedkin's 1980 film Cruising as likely to incite anti-gay violence, even though his own writings helped inspire Friedkin? new article moved to article space today, self-nom. Otto4711 (talk) 04:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I'm not sure how unusual this kind of party-switching was at the time. The Federalists disappeared, for example, and it is not at all surprising that a Jacksonian would become a Democrat (they shared the same ideology) after the disappearance of the Jacksonian party. Awadewit (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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It's good, but 'several' should be omitted - only 2 scenes were shot. Law shoot! 21:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I debated that in my head before I posted the nom, but I went with including that last phrase just to ensure clarity. Maybe it's because I don't follow the Olympics closely. Either way (oh, and the IP's alt below works too):
ALT:... that before the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah, the U.S. state's alcohol-related restrictions caused an official with the International Olympic Committee to complain? --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Thanks, David Underdown. ALT1:

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feel free to change the hook to the more specific ALT: ... that detection of fungal infection by the wood-decay fungus Fuscoporia torulosa (pictured) can be performed in six hours using the polymerase chain reaction? Sasata (talk) 07:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I don't get this hook. It seems to be trying to attract attention by its link with Barack Obama only, something which it seems everybody is doing. Don't get me wrong, if it were eye-catching or surprising it would be a good hook but it seems to be using Obama as some sort of endorsement. Is there anything about this article that doesn't involve Barack Obama or at least involves him doing something more exciting? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 14:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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You may keep typing! --74.14.18.114 (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Works for me. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note that despite his edit, his version still doesn't still doesn't have the two commas I discussed, and my version does. Art LaPella (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I guess I misunderstood. Better now? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 15:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Better. Art LaPella (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Yeah am puzzled too, the song is notable, Rascal Flatts is notable, and being a finalist in AI is notable. Hell, more people know about Chris Sligh than about wikipedia, so I doubt we are advertising. Maybe the other way around :P--Cerejota (talk) 03:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I'm delighted to see Cappy get a better article. I'd suggest adding the word "basketball" somewhere, and to make up for this you could delete "trademark" since you're already mentioning that he was known for the weave, and condense in a few other places. So how about:
ALT: ... that "Cappy" Cappon, known for his "five-man weave" basketball offense, was mentor to Princeton athletes from the 1930s to the 1960s, including Bill Bradley and Frank Deford? --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The alt hook is fine with me. And I agree with Arxilo's comment. It's amazing how many significant people just have totally bare bones one sentence stubs. Cbl62 (talk) 01:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (nb: in the older version, the last paragraph is a list--I don't know if it all technically counts as readable prose)

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Alternate hook suggested: ... that Alan Scott designed and built brick ovens and promoted artisanal baking? Bongomatic 10:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another alternate hook: ... that Alan Scott was a blacksmith who designed and built brick ovens and promoted artisanal bread-making techniques and stone flour milling at the Callington Mill? Bongomatic 05:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Please credit User:D-Day as the creator. Royalbroil 15:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If possible, I would appreciate if the article could run on Sunday February 15th - the day of NASCAR's biggest race - the 2009 Daytona 500. The race runs during the second half (UTC) of the day. Please don't kill too many brain cells trying to figure out the time. Royalbroil 05:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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What do you mean by "arcane"? Pls elaborate, esp. in the article. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 05:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alternated the word; word from en:wiktionary. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know the word. Why do you call that arcane? That's a journalist's POV. All rules are equally presented in a rulebook. More info on this is needed in the article to explain what "arcane/obscure" rule it was. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any information about the provision being arcane, so I'll just delete that part. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But then why is this special? Kids usually enter the OHL when they are 16/17. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's a provision. Only a few players have joined the CHL when they were 15 or younger (ie. John Tavares). -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So your hook is saying "... that John McFarland did not play in the OHL as a 15-year-old, so he is just like almost everyone else"? That's boring. Why not have a hook about his being the first overall draft pick in the OHL? Or maybe a double-DYK hook involving List of first overall draft picks in the Ontario Hockey League? --74.14.18.114 (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This fact comes from page 84 and 85 of Wang Zhongshu's Han Civilization (1982). Translated by K.C. Chang and Collaborators. New Haven and London: Yale University Press. ISBN 0300027230.
Alright then; this new reduction should be sufficient. Although I'd like more detail, I'm much more interested in passing this as a DYK.--Pericles of AthensTalk 09:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You still around? The new version is acceptable, no?--Pericles of AthensTalk 23:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do basic proofreading, not approvals. Those who do approvals usually wait until an article nears the bottom of the page. The deliberately vague rule is "about 200 characters". When a hook is only a little over 200, I don't say anything, but other editors often do. Art LaPella (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This fact comes from page 63 of Liu, Xinru's Ancient India and Ancient China: Trade and Religious Exchanges: AD 1–600 (1988). Delhi and New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 019562050X.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's a substantial new article, and well cited, but surely the title should be Economy of Han Dynasty China or Economy of China under the Han Dynasty? Looking at the new hook, it seems to me that merchants don't take goods to a dynasty, any more than a dynasty has an economy! Xn4 (talk) 09:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia must follow consensus of reliable sources; most sinologists refer to the Chinese empires as "dynasties". As flawed as that may be, that is how they are referred to.--Pericles of AthensTalk 18:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sinologists talk about China and nothing else, so just "Han Dynasty" would be fine. For the general reader of the main page of an encyclopedia, a little more context is needed. Suggest page title as Economy of China during the Han Dynasty. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't exactly the best place for this discussion. This is a DYK talk page. Please, if you want to discuss this, move it to the article talk page.--Pericles of AthensTalk 17:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But this determines how we wikify the hook! Anyhow, I suggest "... lacquerwares of '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''..." or "... that '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|Han Chinese]]''' lacquerwares..." and "... styrax and frankincense to '''[[Economy of China during the Han Dynasty|China during the Han Dynasty]]'''...?". --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not add any more red links, it's giving me a headache just looking at them! Also, you still don't understand the meaning of the Han "dynasty"; "Han" is not the name of some sort of royal family (which is the Liu 劉 family in this case). "Han" is in reference to a specific political and geographic entity, the Kingdom of Han in Hanzhong (modern Shaanxi), which the Han Dynasty's name is derived from. Therefore, "Han Dynasty" and "Han Empire" are virtually synonymous terms. Case closed; there is no need to move this article and in fact, it will not be moved, since it conforms with other articles such as Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty.--Pericles of AthensTalk 08:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PericlesofAthens, I am Chinese. And the name of the country and the regime, in the place known as China, was "Han", "Song" and "Ming" in different eras, not "Han Dynasty", "Song Dynasty" and "Ming Dynasty". IMO, Economy of the Song Dynasty and Economy of the Ming Dynasty should be moved, too. Anyway, please consider my hook (ALT2). It comes with a picture more related to the "economy". --74.13.125.218 (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
a bronze wushu coin from the Han Dynasty
a bronze wushu coin from the Han Dynasty

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  • I counted some 260 words in the original and some 1800 in the lastest version (incl. quote). It is entirely possible that I did not count so correctly, and I think my high count includes the references and templates. When I did the math at nomination time, I though I was at something like 4.5 times the earlier version, but hoped that the significant increase in references, from 2 to 18, would make up for that. If it doesn't, though luck. And I thought the hook was really cool. Thanks anyway. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The prosesize tool gives 4631/1163 = 4.0x. It doesn't count the block quote at the end, but it does count the poem near the start (which maybe should be a block quote). Some exceptional 4x expansions have been approved. This article is nice, but it has a few run-on sentences and the climbing section could have a more encyclopedic tone. I'll leave the final decision to the other DYK editors. Shubinator (talk) 19:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've reorganized one sentence that you might have thought was a run-on, and added a word or two (so maybe I'm at 4.1 now;)). If there are any run-ons I'd love to know (since I teach upper-level advanced grammar at a state university I'm interested in this stuff). I've also reorganized the 'people' section a bit. As for the climbing section, it's pretty heavily footnoted and I wouldn't consider it not encyclopedic enough, but that's a matter of taste/judgment perhaps. If it's good enough, great; if not, I'm moving on to the next stack in the archipelago. Well, I'll do that anyway. Drmies (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once again, "run-on" doesn't mean "convoluted". "... no product of the American education system could have understood it" means "convoluted". "run-on" is described in the run-on sentence article, and you can't communicate with a grammar teacher when confusing the two. Art LaPella (talk) 06:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I bow to your immensity, oh CoM... It IS indeed an island with birds on it! And they are tasty too: reportedly they ate porridge with penguin there. Oh, after CoM's expansions the article got a bit longer, with a better lead. nudge nudge... Drmies (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ha, I wish I could take credit for the box. Well, I could, but I'd be lying. What is the problem with the images? I really don't know what to do, and to my untrained eye they look fine. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]



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  • Well, a citation IS provided a sentence over (I'm not a big fan of using the same citation 2 statements in a row) and almost every other ref in the section will verify that it is true. However, a citation has been added. -- Scorpion0422 23:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there something with this I need to fix? Grsz11 14:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The person who wrote the entry on Moss for the website used as a source throughout the article has an undergraduate degree in music and is a high school teacher. I'm not sure why we are using this source, as this person is not an expert in history or African-American studies. Awadewit (talk) 09:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's on a site directed by Quintard Taylor, probably the leading authority on Washington state African American history. The article is used for simple, uncontroversial facts (what organizations he worked for; what political offices he held); this is the sort of thing it would be hard to get wrong. It's the kind of facts we would readily take from (for example) a newspaper profile. I believe nothing statedcited from that source in the article gets into the realm of the even mildly controversial, so I did not search for an unimpeachable source. I've seem most of these facts stated in a recent exhibit that has appeared at the Washington State Historical Museum and now at the Northwest African American History Museum, but there seems to be no catalogue for the exhibit, and museum wall texts don't seem like a convenient citation. - Jmabel | Talk 15:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nonetheless, I will look for further citation. - Jmabel | Talk 17:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've now added considerably more citation to the article. Unfortunately, so far I haven't found anything as synoptic as the article I originally used, and that article's cited sources are not available online. I've asked a librarian friend if she can help me track them down. I've now cited certainly reliable sources for the recall and appointment; I haven't found anything other than my original source that mentions his original unsuccessful 1969 run. For whatever it's worth, I've seen campaign literature from that run, but don't have it at hand to cite. Two such items can actually be seen in the background (to his right) in Commons:File:Harold Moss 07A.jpg. - Jmabel | Talk 23:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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alt: ... that Christ Bongo has been featured in lists of unusually named footballers? Oldelpaso (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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(For first hook, which is much better) Length and history verified; offline ref accepted IGF. Daniel Case (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Length, history and reference verified. Yes, let's use ALT1. Daniel Case (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Church of the East is a disambiguation page. That is, if a reader clicks it, he will have to guess which link will lead to a description of this church. After reading the article, I think it should be encoded as [[Chaldean Catholic Church|Church of the East]]. Is that right? Art LaPella (talk) 03:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually Yohannan Sulaqa splitted in two the Church of East: so to say that the true Church of East is the Chaldean Catholic Church is a POV and to say that it is the Assyrian Church of the East is a POV. I used Church of East to be NPOV. Anyway I've edited Article Church of the East and put as first meaning the Church before the splittings (that happened in 1553, 1681, 1830, 1968) so the problem is solved. A ntv (talk) 10:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Another Lisa Hannigan article for DYK... choice of picture... or could the two somehow be included in the format shown?


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  • I linked the Britishism "side" so Americans can understand it. In U.S. English, "side" can mean "team", but only when distinguishing opponents, not when no specific opponent is involved. Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A professional athlete misses a season due to an injury? That's not terribly unusual either. Daniel Case (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Not necessarily. In parts perhaps, although that's more the table featuring her side projects that the opening prose counted for DYK or the article in general. There is one link to her website which actually includes a video of the not particularly controversial performance mentioned. The discography is equally heavily (if not more heavily) reliant on newspaper articles such as this and this and this, television shows such as this and this entry on the website of Snow Patrol who have absolutely no reason to be mentioning someone like Hannigan as they are not associated with her and are much more well-known than her. I also don't know what you mean about the personal blog in MySpace as I cannot recall using one. The link you've provided me with just leads to the general site which only features in the discography as an external link – I presume this wouldn't be a problem with musicians especially considering it has its own template. This is a very unexpected early review which seems to have been done in haste – I also was not informed of the problem on my talk page. I know what it's like to review so don't mean to be critical of reviewers but if I can pick this many holes in a point then something must surely be amiss somewhere? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ALT: ... that while hedgehogs are eaten in some cultures, Hedgehog Pie is not a savory pie made with the meat from the spiny mammals, but a 1970s electric folk group from Newcastle-Upon-Tyne? Wizardman 14:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, not bad, I guess we could use that or something like it for an April Fool's Day hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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It is referenced. What is "sth"? An alternate hook was that she reportedly agreed to not run for re-election in order to be named (or the Governor named her and stated that she would not run for re-election). Chergles (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"sth"="something". Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So what if it's referenced? The issue is not verifiability. The problem is an unnecessary focus on the negative. --74.14.21.166 (talk) 08:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really negative. A 3rd possible hook is ALT1: "... that J. Bonnie Newman, who was selected by the Governor of New Hampshire for a vacant Senate seat, was once the congressional aide of the outgoing Senator?" Chergles (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, JBN probably takes this ban as a badge of honor.... Never mind. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is a negative on the club, not her. Daniel Case (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As Gregg has just quit as Commerce Secretary, he probably won't need a replacement in the Senate anymore. A new hook is recommended. --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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"The reality has to be faced." The purpose of DYK is not to face reality, but to highlight interesting things in new contents of the encyclopedia. Why would such (sad) reality be considered interesting enough to make a DYK hook? It's just an inconvenience to travel a long way to school. This is hardly an aspect of Jangipara one would want to highlight and post on the main page. --74.13.125.218 (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted "college degree" back to "degree college" because Jangipara is an area, not an individual who could have a college degree. However, "degree college" sounds unfamiliar, at least in U.S. English, so it might be changed to "college that grants degrees" or just "college". Art LaPella (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, deleted "degree" - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Antpur Radhagovindjiu temple
Antpur Radhagovindjiu temple
Article looks fine now... Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 14:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Articles & hooks about love, love songs, romance novels and their authors, chick flicks, chocolate and related cocoa products and their producers, neurochemistry of love, ... etc. are encouraged. Articles about any food (such as mushrooms!) believed to be aphrodisiacs, and hooks about cardiac surgery with a photo of a human heart, ... would be good as well. Biographies of people whose name is "Valentino", "Hart", "Love"... or sounds like "Cupid" might be okay, too. --PFHLai (talk)

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