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Article reads like a Community Brotherhood pamphlet. Citations and Critiques must be enforced to make it scholarly and objective

This article is reads more like community brotherhood (biradari) eulogy and less like a scholarly work written with objectivity.

Credible citations should be enforced for every single clan mentioned in the list. The work of colonial historians should not be regarded as the sole authority because most of them are not primary sources or secondary sources of history.

Just because any given clan is presently considered or not considered 'Rajput' should not be reason for the inclusion and exclusion from the list of Rajput clans. Instead the connection of the clans to ancient chandravanshi , suryavanshi , etc lineages must be credibly proven with the help of citations from the primary sources and other reliable sources.

--Internet Scholar (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Article needs grammar and spell-check. It is not neutral nor objective enough. Gammadion (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC).

Trolling reports

to facilitate reporting new sock accounts, place {{subst:User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Rajput report}} on the account's userpage and place a note on WP:AIV, and an admin will deal with it promptly. dab (ᛏ) 09:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I hav reverted a vandal by IP 122.167.38.7 Who seems to b shudra caste n he is unnecessarily spreading hatred material for causing rift between Rajputs n Rajus. By his comments its clear he is black dravidian shudra who pretends to b Vysya, he earlier also tried to vandalize Rajus (andhra Kshatriyas) n Arya Vysyas wiki pages with name Yenkatashetty. Request moderator to keep an eye on this sock puppet Yenkatashetty n his IP 122.167.38.7 Indianprithvi (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Reference to Guru Gobind Singh

I have removed the paragraph on Guru Gobind Singh. It was out of context and entirely POV.: Ajjay (talk) 10:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Now someone has added Banda Bahadur.Nothing is known with certainity about his origins.No authentic record of his first forty years exist.So please don't speculate in this article.Keep it authentic.Ajjay (talk) 16:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}Its better to spell Bargujar as Badgujar

Dhangar

{{editprotected}} ===See also=== Dhangar. The “Ain-i-Akbari” describes Dhangars as being a proud, refractory and domineering race of Rajputs, living in the Basim Sircar and, with numerous armed forces, occupying the forts and controlling the surrounding districts. They came (to present day Maharashtra) prior to the Nizam becoming subhedar of Deccan (present day Maharashtra)on behalf of the King of Delhi. They have Rajput Gotras in their clan system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spidermen (talk • contribs)

• Please clarify Your request. feydey (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Both  Not done - please be more specific. Happy‑melon 15:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• {{editprotected}} Dhangars are Rajputs. Add Dhangar to the See also Section.Unsigned1 (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

A request

In the paragraph that describes Bargujar rajputs, King Rama is mentioned in the second last line. Please create a hypertext link under the word "Rama" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama) so that the readers who are not very familiar with hindu culture would know that King Rama mentioned here is same as God Rama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manuraghav (talk • contribs) 13:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Another request

Hi everyone. I'm currently trying to remove links to the disambiguation page Punjab. There's at least one internal link to Punjab that needs to be piped to Punjab region. Can someone fix it please? Thanks 163.1.181.208 (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Request wikilinking

Please can A. K. Warder be wikilinked in the references section? Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You have missed out.

"Huaz Khasia" and "bhardawaj's"

it is one of the very rajput important families in india. supposed to be the descendents of the pandavas.

Huaz khasias are the royal kshatriya descents from the suryavansha family from the anceint kuru and hastinapur area

bhardawaj's are the close realtives of the hauz khasia.

it is one of the important minorities of rajputs mainly in northern india.

they should be a part of suryavansh's if you would like to mention.

prof. sunny micheals

indian culture and civilizations delhi university —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.156.66 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You have missed out.

"Huaz Khasia" and "bhardawaj's"

it is one of the very rajput important families in india. supposed to be the descendents of the pandavas.

Huaz khasias are the royal kshatriya descents from the suryavansha family from the anceint kuru and hastinapur area

bhardawaj's are the close realtives of the hauz khasia.

it is one of the important minorities of rajputs mainly in northern india.

they should be a part of suryavansh's if you would like to mention.

prof. sunny micheals

indian culture and civilizations delhi university —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.156.66 (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

How can these two particular families be claiming Pandava lineage when they are also claiming Suryavanshi/Solar lineage? It is a well known fact that the Pandavas were representative of the Chandravansh/Lunar lineage, therefore this is impossible?--~Raja~ (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Virwar

This article has just been created. I have no knowledge in this area so suggest other editors take a look. If genuine/notable needs cleanup, wikification and possibly merging into this article. If not genuine/notable can someone nominate for AFD. Exxolon (talk) 21:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Text reflects Glories of Rajput clans without proper citations?

content text at many places Glorifies Rajput clans their bravery and heroism without proper citation, proper source should be mentioned or text should say that "it is believed that...".

Examples : ". They proved their chivalry by fighting with honor and the mercy that they showed to the vanquished. When fighting against the hordes of Arabs, Moghuls, Afghans, and Turks, many preferred to die rather than to forsake their ancestors' faith (Hindu dharma) for Islam."

No citation/example of mercy given here, neither anything to support "many preferred to die rather than to forsake their ancestors". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepkamal (talk • contribs) 06:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Rajputs using Surname Rana and Rathore

Hi,

Its a topic which is still uncleared from the Description of Rajputs given in this page, 

In the index no Rana Surname is used.. but Rana's are Rajputs and It should be included and explained in the description of Rajputs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonikrana (talk • contribs) 08:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

HELP!!! NEEDED for Article on Sikh Rajputs

Someone put a tag on "Sikh Rajputs" article that it will be deleted in five days etc., this article can not be deleted as Sikh Rajputs exist and most claims made in the article are true as well known to local Indians in Punjab only the need is that some interested and knowledgeable editors with access to proper history books etc. can eventually come forward and develop the article properly in time, quoting credible sources. Foreign born and raised editors with no direct local Indian knowledge are requested not to vandalize it as per their own fastly held thoughts and beliefs.

Thanks

Atulsnischal (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

When you get time kindly assist with developing the article, it needs some badly needed refs too, it is being vandalized, check talk page.

Thanks

Atulsnischal (talk) 06:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Origin of Rajput

The term Rajput came in existence in seventh century. The earlier history of period prior to this needs to be expanded with proper references. Thakur Deshraj is one of the prominent Historians from Rajasthan. He has mentioned about Rajputs in his book on Jat history page 113-114, w.r.t Imperial Gazetteer of India Vol 2 (page 307-308),

"Then between the 7th and 8th centuries the old racial divisions passed away and a new division came in founded upon status and function....

The rise of Rajputs determined the whole political history of time. They made their first appearance in 8-9th centuries; most of the greatest clans took possession of their seats between 800 and 850 AD. ... Their origin is a subject of much dispute." (Imperial Gazetteer of India Vol 2 p.308))

When Rajput word was not created and was not in use prior to 9th century how they are related with Rama or Pandawas. We need proper references.burdak (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The Rajputs claim beeing also descendants of Huns and Hephtalithes. What´s with that? Possibly they are even right. They use the sufix- kul in their (clan) names which could drive from a Proto-Turkic and Proto-Mongolic word (both groups are belongiing to the altayic race) that stand for Son. In Modern Turkic languages the term turned into Ogul, in anatolian turkish they also use Oglu like BostanciOGLU. Another possible answer could be that kul from kula for family, race, caste comes from Sanscrit, see Mehrakula, Race of Mitra or Caste of Sun(goddes) in the sense of holly and powerful--88.69.48.109 (talk) 21:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Clan names and Gotras

I really cannot deal with the main article because this is not a university setting and it seems everyone has their opinion. However, what I do find ridiculous are the names of non-existent clans and non-existent gotras. Also, the fact that people are listing names of Brahmins and Buniyas as Rajputs which is a bit too much.

I really feel sad for this article because it is completely a mess and holds no credibility.

Gorkhali (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Migration and movement of Rajputs,

I would suggest that we discuss how Rajputs are spread over the Indian subcontinent. It must be known that Rajputs ruled once rawalpindi to kannauj and deep down malwa once. The ruler of kashmir is a bhagel rajput, Himachal hills were ruled by chandravanshi tomar kings, garhwal was ruled by a punwars and kumaon hills by chand Rathores.

We need a sub head how Rajputs migrated and how they are spread. Rathore decended from Jai Chand Rathore ruler of kannuaj and were forced to migrate to Thar desert after loosing to muslims a small section survived and made way to kumaon hills, its well documented history.

Over the centuries rajputs found way in differenbt kingdoms in search of livelihood and also to escape mulsim excesses. Ranas spread over hills after Chittor was sacked by Akbar and they left Rajasthan to find new homes.

Lets not restrict a article over just few kings and famous names and mostly Rajputana. It should discuss too eastern UP rajputs and hill rajputs. Heavy recruitment of rajputs by British was done from hill regiments (Kumaon,Garhwal and Dogra) and rajputana and rajput of eastern India. Rajput glory and ancestory should be discussed in a non partisan manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratan S (talk • contribs) 04:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Bais Rajput

A respected request to the honourable editors of this article:

More info needed on Bais Rajputs, mentioning needed in sections relevant to:

• 4.5.3 Rajput of the Panjab Hill States and Kashmir:

People of this Rajput clan migrated in this region and now live here so should be mentioned along with the other clans.

• 5.4 Saka:

They are a prominant part of the line of defence.

• 8 Rajput Lineages/Vanshs:

Which lineage the clan belongs to.

• A personal paragraph on the clan such as the 'Pundir' paragraph, as the Bais are too a Suryavanshi branch of Rajputs, one of the thirty six royal rajput clans. They are also the descendent of Lakhshaman Ji and brother Sri Rama.

Dhangar also need mentioning and when mentioned, Bais should also be mentioned as they are one of.

This is a big tribe that is one of the 36 Royal Lineages. Much info available on it's own wikipedia page.

Please include the clan in the requested for many reasons.

This article contains Anti-Muslim propaganda

This article contains much anti-Muslim propaganda. Do not forget that at the least 30% of all Rajputs today are Muslims. At most half of royal Rajput families are Muslim. The Mughal men and women extensively married into Rajput families and adopted the Rajput heritage. Many Rajputs chose, from their own free will, to be Muslims because of issues with Hinduism or Sikhism.

I suggest that this page should contain a section for Muslim Rajputs.

Also their are some inaccuracies:

Under Heading Culture, Ethos- Jauhar:

"The practice is often described in terms of the women alone, but should correctly be understood as including the death of the men on the battlefield. As generally described, Jauhar involved:

1. A defending Rajput army being besieged inside a fortification by an invading Muslim army;"

Jauhar was a practice committed by Rajput families even during the time of Rajput civil wars before the arrival of the Muslims. This practice was not specifically linked to Muslim armies. Rajputs, when they fought amongst themselves, also were brutal against enemy tribes.

This should read:

" A defending Rajput army being besieged inside a fortification by an invading army"

Under the Heading Legacy - Rajputs as a line of defense:

When fighting against the hordes of Arabs, Moghuls, Afghans, and Turks, many preferred to die rather than to forsake their ancestors' faith (Hindu dharma) for Islam. While the nations of the Middle East fell in a matter of a few years to the rapid advance of Islam's new followers, the Rajput men and women refused to let them capture India for over 500 years. The heroism and sacrifice displayed by these tribes is undisputed and unmatched in the chronicles of Indian history.

Was it only the Arabs, Moghuls, Afghans, and Turks whom the Rajputs faced? What about the inter-Rajput wars amongst themselves? The wars between Buddhist and Hindu Rajputs immediately before the Muslim invasion? The invasions of other Indian groups against the Rajputs form the east and southeast? Going even further back in history, what about the invasions of the Greeks, Persians, and Central Asian tribes (of whom the Rajputs are one of them)?

Second, many Rajputs DID embrace Islam and this was not forsaking ancestors' faith. The ancestors of the Rajputs weren't all Vedic Hindus, they consisted of Buddhists, Non-Vedic Hindus, and ancient Pre-Hindu Aryan religions.

Third, the nations in the Middle East did not fall because they were weak compared to the Rajputs of Northwest South Asia, but because the Muslims offered an alternative lifestyle which appealed to the populace. Sindh and Balochistan also DID fall in a few of years and so did the Pathan areas of modern-day Pakistan and Afghanistan because Islam won the hearts of the common folk. The conquest of the Punjab was slower due to the fighting of the Rajputs, but today more than 75% of Punjab is Muslim, including many of the Rajputs of Punjab. This was accomplished more through preaching of traveling scholars than armies. Where Islam did gain a foothold in South Asia, it stayed. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh are a testament to this.

It should read:

When fighting against the invading armies of Greeks, Persians, Central Asians, Arabs, Mongols, Moghuls, Afghans, Turks, other Indian nations, or other Rajput tribes, many preferred to die rather than to surrender. Whether Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, or Buddhist, Rajputs were known for their bravery in battle. The heroism and sacrifice displayed by these tribes is undisputed and unmatched in the chronicles of South Asian history.

END —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmmariKhan (talk • contribs) 08:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

HELLO?

It seems that this page is dead. Are there any editors out there that have the wikipedia privileges to edit this page? Why does it seem that no effort is being made to edit this page with in the last six months? Please can somebody actually act on this as there are so many fair and important requests that need fulfilling.

PLEASE MAINTAIN THIS PAGE! --BhainsRajput (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

absolutely pathetic how the crap keeps piling up on this page. All India topics suffer from this symptom, but this must be one of the worst. I did a deep revert to a version that was still halfway reasonable about a year ago. --dab (𒁳) 11:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit required

Under sub section Surnames, please add link to Bais Rajput homepage by rewriting Bais with at the front and at the back. Also noticed 'rajput saini' oddly written in the surnames subsection too. Please look into this as it seems like tampering. --90.214.246.12 (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)