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===Triple Gold Club===

Triple Gold Club

4 articles

List of Stanley Cup champions

List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey

List of IIHF World Championship medalists

Co-nominator: Scorpion⁰⁴²² and MaximThe definition of this one is strictly the lists of champions, as the main article is a list too. Admittedly, you could do a larger topic that would also include: Stanley Cup, Ice Hockey World Championships and Ice hockey at the Winter Olympics, but I think this version works just as well. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - sorry, but I don't see what the main article being a list has to do with anything. People "join the club" by winning the trophy and two medals, but you haven't included the trophy and two medals in this proposed topic, just lists of who else has won them, and hence I oppose - rst20xx (talk) 01:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Technically, the lead article is also a "List of winners" article, so you could make the topic something like "Triple Gold Club, lists of members" or something similar. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
    • But the entire list of members is contained within the lead! rst20xx (talk) 13:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Support – the "Triple Gold Club" refers to the players who have won the three awards, not the three awards themselves. While the three articles Scorpion mentions would be proper for a supplementary addition, the topic is complete with the three lists of players. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• But all the players who have actually won the three awards are listed in the main article itself! The only thing the other lists add are the players who haven't won, and I don't see how they are any more relevant than the awards themselves - rst20xx (talk) 13:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment -- shouldn't the sub article be the main Stanley Cup and not the list of winners?--₮RUCӨ 19:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Or even both?

I would support a rename, per Dabomb. If someone decides to make a Triple Gold Club topic with the main articles, that should be the main topic, with this merged into that, not a case of adding the mains as suplementary to this one.YobMod 07:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if that can happen since the main Triple Club article is also the list of champions.--₮RUCӨ 17:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I consider the main article to be both an article on the subject, and a list. The current systam forces us to categoise as one or the other, but it is not a true split. As there is not a separate main article on the TGC, this is it. Breaking it into an article and list would not result in any more coverage, yes?YobMod 08:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think in many ways we can should consider the current main article as both the non-list and the list on its subject. But I don't think the "lists" topic makes any sense anyway because they do not really have very much in common - any extra information added by the sublists is irrelevant to the main list - rst20xx (talk) 12:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose Per User:Rst20xx, I think this topic wouldn't work without Stanley Cup, Ice Hockey World Championships and Ice hockey at the Winter Olympics because the awards are more relevant to the Triple Gold Club than the list of other winners who never won all three awards.—Chris! _ct 00:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that can happen since the main article in this topic also lists the winners.--₮RUCӨ 01:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Withdraw I was pretty sure this wouldn't fly, but I decided to give it a try anyway. I'm currently working on Ice hockey at the Winter Olympics and I'll be back eventually with all three winners lists and articles. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• Withdrawing - rst20xx (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)